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km987654
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | I run all types of resolutions thru the moome when I was experimenting with blend resolutions, the moome took them all like a good little bitch 
Those supported resolutions on the data sheet dos not mean that it only accepts those specific ones, it will support anything up to those. I also noticed it will even go a bit higher. I ran 1080p@96 and it acknowledged that on the marquee's info screen.
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Is that the V3?.
Did you use the standard timing for each resolution you set?
I have also had contact from someone else with the same issues as I am reporting. I will also add that there is flickering at 720p/60 also reported by the other user.
I don't believe the image is as sharp as other DAC at least at 720p which is what I am testing right now.
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Nashou66
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km987654
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:52 am Post subject: |
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The moome is attached to the port 3 board directly.
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Nashou66
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km987654
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:07 am Post subject: |
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The work was done by a professional and he is aware of the issue he has also experienced the same problem. I have tested some of the specified resolutions and each of those works. Those that I have tried that are not don't such as 720/p 72.
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Nashou66
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km987654
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | try 800P at 72, I forgot what timings my Lumagen HDQ has going into to it but that works, So 720p@72 should as well.
I also have thrown 960p @72 I think, but that was a while ago.
But Walter has his on a port of the barco chassis but not sure which one.
Nashou |
He could use either port 3 or 5.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:38 am Post subject: |
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So it looks like Barco is the problem here..? Is it possible the Barco cant sync to that signal.?
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km987654
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | So it looks like Barco is the problem here..? Is it possible the Barco cant sync to that signal.? |
Not sure how you came to that conclusion as I mentioned earlier without Moome card any of the described resolution work fine the issues only arise when the video chain includes the Moome V3.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| km987654 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | So it looks like Barco is the problem here..? Is it possible the Barco cant sync to that signal.? |
Not sure how you came to that conclusion as I mentioned earlier without Moome card any of the described resolution work fine the issues only arise when the video chain includes the Moome V3. |
Conclution ?.. noticed the = ???
Others report that its possible with the Lumagen and moome ext. but with Marquee projectors, so guess we are left with a defect moome, or a setup isue.
Anyway, why waste more time with this.. Looks like you guys have decided that you dont like the moome.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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We decided that for a reason, which you either choose to ignore, or you plain dont understand, i will let you decide which one.
Either way, its been stated by a few people here that the external MOOME is not up to the standard of the internal MOOME, which negates the possibility of it being an issue with Barco machines.
Im not sure what more need be said before youll get what is being put forward here.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:41 am Post subject: |
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There is much i dont understand in this world.. 
When i look at the boards, they all look quite identical, i would guess the difference from int to ext is the conections..
Maybe someone should ask Moome. In my mind the difference should be in the PS or the conection. Doubt he uses different chip sets and stuff like that.
Can you explain the difference in PQ from the INT to the EXT moome .?
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CasetheCorvetteman
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I allready have explained it!!  I compared it against the HD Fury 3 and the RGB from an nVIDIA GTX650Ti OC using my CineMAX, and then compared it against the internal MOOME V2 and RGB from an nVIDIA 9800GT on my XG.
It really is totally irrelevant that the boards look basically identical isnt it, one is internal and goes through alot less to reach the tubes, the other passes a whole heap of totally unrequired components that all have an impact on image quality. Its got nothing whatso ever to do with using the same or different chips, id really have thought that much was obvious from the things a couple others have added to this thread as well as others.
Make me an offer on my MOOME V3 external and i will ship it to you for you to compare for yourself, youve got the internal MOOME there, so you will be able to tell the difference ( even on a Marquee )
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:10 am Post subject: |
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that would be great..
50$ plus shipping..
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opv
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If I understand correctly,
The PQ degradation between the EXT and internal solutions, is caused by fact that the external box feeds the bad RGB input of the Barco while the internal solutions bypass this stage.
So the blame is on the bad analog inputs, and not the external box.
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km987654
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| opv wrote: | If I understand correctly,
The PQ degradation between the EXT and internal solutions, is caused by fact that the external box feeds the bad RGB input of the Barco while the internal solutions bypass this stage.
So the blame is on the bad analog inputs, and not the external box. |
I don't belive that's the issue as I have another DAC that uses port 3 from the back of the projector that produces a sharper image at 720p/60.
There may be a better results at other resolutions or frequencies so perhaps it will live up to its reputation but right now it seems very ordinary to me.
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fragzero
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If that was the issue using a HTPC with analog out wouldn't be a solution.
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stridsvognen
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| km987654 wrote: | | opv wrote: | If I understand correctly,
The PQ degradation between the EXT and internal solutions, is caused by fact that the external box feeds the bad RGB input of the Barco while the internal solutions bypass this stage.
So the blame is on the bad analog inputs, and not the external box. |
I don't belive that's the issue as I have another DAC that uses port 3 from the back of the projector that produces a sharper image at 720p/60.
There may be a better results at other resolutions or frequencies so perhaps it will live up to its reputation but right now it seems very ordinary to me. |
Can you post some 1:1 720P pixel resolution screen shots, so we can see the difference.?
And some normal movie screenshots to please.
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opv
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| fragzero wrote: | | If that was the issue using a HTPC with analog out wouldn't be a solution. |
Who said that it's a better solution?
Case compared the internal card with the external card (on the NEC) and said that the internal was better.
In my case, BG1209s, the external box gives better results than running a long analog cable.
Do you have a different experience?
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| opv wrote: | If I understand correctly,
The PQ degradation between the EXT and internal solutions, is caused by fact that the external box feeds the bad RGB input of the Barco while the internal solutions bypass this stage.
So the blame is on the bad analog inputs, and not the external box. |
Nope. The same inputs used on the PC analog are CONSIDERABLY better. So there goes that theory, and the other set being an NEC, they dont have "bad analog inputs".
| opv wrote: | | fragzero wrote: | | If that was the issue using a HTPC with analog out wouldn't be a solution. |
Who said that it's a better solution?
Case compared the internal card with the external card (on the NEC) and said that the internal was better.
In my case, BG1209s, the external box gives better results than running a long analog cable.
Do you have a different experience? |
That is not all i said, go back and read it again to see what i said about the experience i have with my Barco. Using 5 parallel runs of quad shield RG6 coax about 8-10 meters in length, doesnt matter if i put the MOOME there, or at the projector, result is identical, and its not just the poor Barco input boards or it would be the same with the PC. But its not. No matter how you go about it, the straight analog from the PC blows it away, yet same PC, same video card, DVI-D or HDMI to MOOME, not as good as RGB.
I am saying the HTPC analog out IS A BETTER SOLUTION than the external MOOME V3.
Get yourself a decent analog connection, then compare.
| stridsvognen wrote: | that would be great..
50$ plus shipping.. |
I lose more than that running for the bus...
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