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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone that have a spare EXT moome V3 they can sende to Mike for testing.?
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Id be happy to sell him mine, although I doubt he will want to buy one.
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ElTopo
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Well i put brand new P19Lugs into my Cine9 yesterday and i can tell that this maschine throws an absolute stunning picture !
Perfection when it comes to:
- greyscale
- primaries/secondaries
- gamma
- fade to black and contrast
- motion
BTW the Moome EXT V3 does a great job !
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| ElTopo wrote: | Well i put brand new P19Lugs into my Cine9 yesterday and i can tell that this maschine throws an absolute stunning picture !
Perfection when it comes to:
- greyscale
- primaries/secondaries
- gamma
- fade to black and contrast
- motion
BTW the Moome EXT V3 does a great job !
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Good to hear..
If you have a calibration file, with no Radiance CMS, ill love to see how the 909 looks native.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Imagine how much better it would be if you took it out of the path and went direct with RGB the whole way...
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | Imagine how much better it would be if you took it out of the path and went direct with RGB the whole way... |
It would be cool if you could make some screen shots and show the difference, now you have both options. 
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ElTopo
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It looks very good the way it is. No interest of changing that. And no way back to a HTPC i love the Oppo.
Maybe i can take some shots of the lines out of the test pattern the Lumagen provides.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | Imagine how much better it would be if you took it out of the path and went direct with RGB the whole way... |
It would be cool if you could make some screen shots and show the difference, now you have both options. |
Maybe it would be, but why? And where do you think im going to find the time?
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | Imagine how much better it would be if you took it out of the path and went direct with RGB the whole way... |
It would be cool if you could make some screen shots and show the difference, now you have both options. |
Maybe it would be, but why? And where do you think im going to find the time? |
Feel free not to post on the forum 2 days, that should give you a few hours for testing.. 
Then you can show us all how your perfect solution shines..
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:14 am Post subject: |
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How about no? And what do you propose i use to take the pics?
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | How about no? And what do you propose i use to take the pics? |
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CasetheCorvetteman
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mp20748
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Here is the first of my 1:1 pixel center of the SMPTE test patterns. This pattern is coming from my Chroma Pattern Generator on a 3' High Bandwidth RGBHV cable directly into a RGBHV card slot into my 02 VIM.
This 02 VIM I rate to be capable of 200MHZ.
The SMPTE center of the pattern linked, is @ 1920X1440 60hz - which is as showing on the display of the Chroma to be: 234MHZ coming out of the generator
This particular neck board set will do about 250MHZ on my 03 VIM...
I'll post more later tonight. And when I do, I'll also be showing the FULL SMPTE pattern, that should also show the resolution and bandwidth on the pattern.
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mp20748
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Now we get into a more serious high frequency roll-off. Where in the previous post, the roll-off is slight. The linked picture shows what it looks like when the setup is not handling the bandwidth, or it being bandwidth limited. When the projected image is not showing bandwidth limiting, all 6 lines groups will be equal in illumination and sharpness. And this is VERY important for the top two line groups.
The second image shows the Generators settings:
2048X1536 60hz - this is at 263Mhz
One thing to note at these frequencies, whenever you go above 1280X1024 you have to readjust Focus and Stig for each or whatever rate you operate at. That is also true when going between 1080P 60hz or 72hz. The Marquee does well on its focus system that in most cases there's no need to re-tweak each (but that's because you're only changing the vertical and not by much). The image also shows what happens (top right group of lines) when the stig was not tweaked for this higher rate, compared to when I had adjusted it at the 1920X1440 (previous image) rate.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Hows it look with the MOOME Mike? Internal or external.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Mike i notice the vertical lines look better resolved than the horisontal lines, is that the missing hight of the horisontal pattern squeezing the lines.?
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Nashou66
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Kurt, it is more of what Mike said astig needs to be done for that res and the limits of the 02 vim @ about 200mhz. The limiting factor on 02 vims is the AD835 rated at 250mhz but to truly get that you really need to have a super clean signal going into it and out. And sources , cables etc all come into play. The pattern generator used have very very clean signals. So its about the best test patterns you'll get.
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mp20748
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Mike i notice the vertical lines look better resolved than the horisontal lines, is that the missing hight of the horisontal pattern squeezing the lines.? |
If you're talking about the shot below. Both top line groups are not showing the resolution being resolved. The top left (vertical) line group may be clearer detail, but because it also shows being darker. The darkness means the bandwidth is being rolled-off.
The top right (horizontal) line group is showing for the most part that the Stig needs to be adjusted. And that is why it is so important to make sure the Stig is tweaked whenever running at higher scan rates.. It is also very important to make sure each of the six line groups are all equal in illumination as well as, detail and sharpness. This is THE only way to verify if you're properly resolving the resolution. And this same line group verification can also verify if your setup has been properly (focus, stig and aligned for scan rate of use) calibrated.
I don't own an EXT Moome, so I have no way of knowing what difference there would be between the Marquee slot version.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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I know, which is why i said internal or external
Do it using the internal is fine, i expect itll be pretty simular, although i doubt itll do 2048x1536...
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mp20748
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | I know, which is why i said internal or external
Do it using the internal is fine, i expect itll be pretty simular, although i doubt itll do 2048x1536... |
I tried going from the DVI out on my generator into the HDMI on my Moome card installed in my Marquee, but the top left pattern group showed "clipping" - that make me think the DVI out of the generator is not fully compatible with the HDMI input on the Moome card installed in my Marquee.
I also took two more shots at different resolutions, but this time I'm trying to show what the shots should look like when properly resolved at the scan rates listed.
229Mhz and 234Mhz
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