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stridsvognen Guest
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| Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| gnnash wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Do you use the ext ps for the stripper.? |
Yes. And either output port results in noise with certain cables. Other combinations of cables result in less or no noise, but all of my cables work with my other devices, just not with the splitter / stripper in the chain. |
Ahh i get it, its, so your saying its picky about the HDMI cables used..
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gnnash
Joined: 10 Jul 2013 Posts: 216 Location: Lake Elmo, MN
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| Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | gnnash wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Do you use the ext ps for the stripper.? |
Yes. And either output port results in noise with certain cables. Other combinations of cables result in less or no noise, but all of my cables work with my other devices, just not with the splitter / stripper in the chain. |
Ahh i get it, its, so your saying its picky about the HDMI cables used.. |
Correct. Which worries me, because driving a 6 foot cable, or receiving a signal from a 6 foot cable, should not be an issue at all. I'll play with it tonight if I get a chance, to see just what combinations are giving me trouble.
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mx83toy
Joined: 14 Dec 2012 Posts: 322
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| Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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Remember that its a signal amplifier !!! If you can manage a decent pic from the cables sometimes you may be unearthing video chain weaknesses ... I'd say methodically isolate the fault and it may end up Beeing something else?? Not sticking up for the splitter I don't give two craps about it but it's just something that pops to mind..
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stridsvognen Guest
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stridsvognen Guest
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| Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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I just put a 7m cable on the input, and a 7m cable on the output, and still running smooth,, with no ext. Ps.
And the cables was 2 different brands.
Can the problem be related to the HDQ having DVI input.?
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CIR Engineering
Joined: 25 Aug 2008 Posts: 4269 Location: Chicago USA & Berlin Germany
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| Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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So the unit I ordered from Amazon came and it is not the same one that is in their photo. The one I got is in a plastic box (not metal) and has different markings.
I just tested the one I got with my BDP-103 on outputs one and then on output 2. The splitter did not work in any way for me. First I got an unstable image between snow and picture that went back and forth every half second or so. This would indicate that HDCP is enabled and not communicating properly because the entire signal chain supports HDCP anyway. Furthermore, the QD780 reported that HDCP was indeed enabled through the splitter. So I couldn't keep a solid picture and HDCP was still there and NOT removed.
If you are going to order one of these don't get it off Amazon in the USA. I just packed mine up and printed an RMA for it.
craigr
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VideoGrabber
Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 933 Location: Michigan
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| Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Craig,
Yes, that's one problem with ordering from 3rd-party sellers on eBay. Many different sellers are offering this device there, and they're not always the same. And as you found out, they're not even the items they show explicit pictures of. The plastic-cased units are well known (even on Amazon) not to remove HDCP.
Technically, none of them should, since that makes them a DMCA circumvention device. Of course, if all an HDMI splitter did was make two copies of the same HDCP-laden signal, what good would that be? J/K
_________________ - Tim
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stridsvognen Guest
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| Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Craig, if you like to test one that is stripping HDCP, i can order a few more, test and ship one to you.
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CIR Engineering
Joined: 25 Aug 2008 Posts: 4269 Location: Chicago USA & Berlin Germany
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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I don't really have any need for one of these, I jut wanted to see it in action is all and run some tests.
I would be interested in getting one here, but it's not worth much $$$ to me to do so.
Thanks for the offer
craigr
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stridsvognen Guest
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | I don't really have any need for one of these, I jut wanted to see it in action is all and run some tests.
I would be interested in getting one here, but it's not worth much $$$ to me to do so.
Thanks for the offer
craigr |
$$$ is not the isue with this 25$ thing, unless your economy looks like USA`s economy
Just let me know, it wont cost you anything, im just curious to see if you can find some quality difference from input to output with this splitter.
Or let me know if there is any specific test i can do here, that may be interesting.
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CIR Engineering
Joined: 25 Aug 2008 Posts: 4269 Location: Chicago USA & Berlin Germany
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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I just sent you a PM.
Like I said, I don't need this for anything myself, I am just curious about the box. For $16 on Amazon it was cheap enough for me to me passively interested. For +$50 I wasn't interested enough to buy one from outside the USA.
Thanks for the offer
craigr
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stridsvognen Guest
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Not that i use it myself, for other than testing different stuff, but if its outputting a fair quality, and it looks so from my testing.
It for sure is a cheep entrance to CRT with a blu ray player and a old VP like Lumagen HDP/ HDQ DVDO VP50 and so on.
and maybe a better solution than any HDfury.
I just won another Lumagen HDQ on ebay, the 1st was defect. so hope to see how that works, i hear it can output 1080P 72hz via RGBHV
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CIR Engineering
Joined: 25 Aug 2008 Posts: 4269 Location: Chicago USA & Berlin Germany
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | Not that i use it myself, for other than testing different stuff, but if its outputting a fair quality, and it looks so from my testing.
It for sure is a cheep entrance to CRT with a blu ray player and a old VP like Lumagen HDP/ HDQ DVDO VP50 and so on.
and maybe a better solution than any HDfury.
I just won another Lumagen HDQ on ebay, the 1st was defect. so hope to see how that works, i hear it can output 1080P 72hz via RGBHV |
The analog section in the VisionHDP, VisionHDQ and VisionProHDP is absolutely phenomenal, you will love it for that. Jim really went all out on the analog section because CRT was still the undisputed king of projection at the time. These processors will happily do 1080p 72Hz through the RGBHV outputs... they might even be willing to do 1080p 96Hz through analog (I forget). It's the best analog source that you can find for CRT really.
FWIW the VisionProHDP and HDQ actually have a theoretically better analog output section than the HDP did. The HDP had an option for RGBHV outputs and was added with a daughter card. It was more of an afterthought on the HDP than part of the primary design. If you can find an HDQ or PRO than try that sometime.
craigr
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stridsvognen Guest
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | Not that i use it myself, for other than testing different stuff, but if its outputting a fair quality, and it looks so from my testing.
It for sure is a cheep entrance to CRT with a blu ray player and a old VP like Lumagen HDP/ HDQ DVDO VP50 and so on.
and maybe a better solution than any HDfury.
I just won another Lumagen HDQ on ebay, the 1st was defect. so hope to see how that works, i hear it can output 1080P 72hz via RGBHV |
The analog section in the VisionHDP, VisionHDQ and VisionProHDP is absolutely phenomenal, you will love it for that. Jim really went all out on the analog section because CRT was still the undisputed king of projection at the time. These processors will happily do 1080p 72Hz through the RGBHV outputs... they might even be willing to do 1080p 96Hz through analog (I forget). It's the best analog source that you can find for CRT really.
FWIW the VisionProHDP and HDQ actually have a theoretically better analog output section than the HDP did. The HDP had an option for RGBHV outputs and was added with a daughter card. It was more of an afterthought on the HDP than part of the primary design. If you can find an HDQ or PRO than try that sometime.
craigr |
https://www.ebay.com/?mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5336656890&toolid=20008&mkevt=1
This one should be on its way to my colection soon.
Now im even more exited, now your confirming it can output 1080P 72 or higher.
And exited to see if the Stripper/ HDQ will match the quality of my Radiance Moome combination on the high bandwidth MP boards.
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CIR Engineering
Joined: 25 Aug 2008 Posts: 4269 Location: Chicago USA & Berlin Germany
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Cool, you got an HDQ. The HDQ is really my favorite one of the line.
I will say that the HDQ is no Radiance though. Don't even think about using the CMS in the HDQ... it will really screw things up especially on a CRT. But the HDQ is a nice VP especially for analog outputs.
craigr
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stridsvognen Guest
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | Cool, you got an HDQ. The HDQ is really my favorite one of the line.
I will say that the HDQ is no Radiance though. Don't even think about using the CMS in the HDQ... it will really screw things up especially on a CRT. But the HDQ is a nice VP especially for analog outputs.
craigr |
I only use the gamma corection in the Radiance to corect gamma factor, and maybe the blue bump. and in the end i prefer not corect anything if i can get the projector close enough.
I mostly use the radiance to output 72hz, and make different porch settings.
I just hope the DVI input is better than usual, the DVI i have played with sucks.
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CIR Engineering
Joined: 25 Aug 2008 Posts: 4269 Location: Chicago USA & Berlin Germany
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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DVI including on the HDQ pretty much sucks
At least you can enable YCbCr color space on the HDQ DVI input though.
craigr
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Light Illusion ColourSpace XPT Color Calibration Software
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Reddman
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 70 Location: South Carolina
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| Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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I'm looking at getting one of the Lumagen processors primarily to try to use it aspect ratio control feature to run a CIH setup. I'm guessing this $25 stripper would be good to use to connect it to my projector. Please correct if I'm wrong. Meanwhile I'll be researching and reading up some more.
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gnnash
Joined: 10 Jul 2013 Posts: 216 Location: Lake Elmo, MN
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stridsvognen Guest
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| Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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I ordered one, and its getting shiped to Craig from China.. Shipping 1$
https://www.ebay.com/?mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5336656890&toolid=20008&mkevt=1
20$ total with PS and shipping.
Then Craig can scope the output, and tell us what the quality of this thing is.
I think we have to be carefull when judging HDMI product, the problems are more complex than most of us understand, and the problem are sometimes not in the unit we blame.
HDMI and HDCP is a pile of crap.. i can only think of DVI being worse.
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