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the big E
Joined: 20 Apr 2013
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| Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| garyfritz wrote: | Pff. You worried about the ceiling falling on your head too? It's heavier than your projector.
Mount it well, and it ain't goin' nowhere. I have 4 lag screws on each side of my unistrut mount. I hung from each side and bounced as hard as I could, and nothing budged. If each side of strut can handle a dynamic bouncing 180lb load without moving, then each side will have no trouble supporting half of a 150lb projector. As long as you don't screw up bolting your projector to the mount, it's no more likely to fall than the ceiling is. |
Nope because I don't have a ceiling mount for either projector  not worring about the ceiling falling(unless it comes a freak earthquake which is rare in Tennessee(I know about the fault line but I am nowhere near it)
Its just the ceiling of my viewing room is the support for the floor above it that and I have my track lighting(for the home theater) right where the projector would mount anyway I had my room set up before I went to crt(used to use a digital which is still mounted on a ceiling mount I made myself just been to busy to take it down)
The digital has been mounted for at least 5 years and hasn't tell yet (but a crt is a lot heavier then the digital I have mounted)
Another plus side to not mounting it is I find it easier to work on the projector 
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garyfritz
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No question it's easier to work on the projector. And for Uncle Will's initial DAF, just setting it up on the floor might be a lot easier way to convince his dad it's a good idea. But floor-mounting means the projector's sitting in the sweet spot (so you can't), plus you have to sit right next to the noisy thing. I prefer to have it out of the way. Mostly out of the way, anyway. I'm 6'4" and I still occasionally whack my head on the damn thing. 
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the big E
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| Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| garyfritz wrote: | | No question it's easier to work on the projector. And for Uncle Will's initial DAF, just setting it up on the floor might be a lot easier way to convince his dad it's a good idea. But floor-mounting means the projector's sitting in the sweet spot (so you can't), plus you have to sit right next to the noisy thing. I prefer to have it out of the way. Mostly out of the way, anyway. I'm 6'4" and I still occasionally whack my head on the damn thing. |
Mine is just behind my couch and since I did the grille removial on the fans of my Ecp the fan noise isn't as bad(planning on getting different fans to completely slience the set) I can have my recivier at low volumes and still hear the dialog in the movie or game(coming from a digital I am used to some noise from the projector)
I also forgot to mention my ceiling isn't high enough to accommodate my Ecp(nec maybe but I still have no mount though the beast would be a pain to lift unless i had some kind of lift to use) but my nec is queiter then my Ecp (doing part of tinmans fan mod)
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Mr. Green
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
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Location: Calgary
TV/Projector: Marquee 9501LC / NEC 9PG+
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| garyfritz wrote: | How did you attach that 2x10 to the ceiling? I see what looks like small screws. BAD idea. Very bad DAF if the projector falls on his head.  You want a minimum of 4 good-size lag screws driven into joists. Then before you hoist your projector, hang from the mount and bounce around a little. If it supports you, it should support the CRT OK.
For raising the beast, I used Clarence's chain-lift idea:
I lifted my Marquee 8500 by myself, 30 minutes from "on the floor, hook up the chains" to "take off the chains, it's in the mount." |
They look small, but they are 3.5" #10 screws (thick) that have a high sheer point (won't snap). I have the 9PG+ hanging up and I hung off it as well and wiggled like I was trying to dislodge it so 350 pounds all together and nothing budged. If it turns out we're staying in this house after all I'll put some lag bolts in to make everyone happy. There are 9 of them (3 rows of 3) directly into the joists. It's not going anywhere.
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UncleWill
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Good news everyone! Looks like the padre was impressed. We managed to work it so the projector did not interfere too much with his stuff and faces another direction in the basement. Not an ideal setup but it's there. Huzzah! Will post a few pics soon. Thanks to all
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the big E
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| UncleWill wrote: | | Good news everyone! Looks like the padre was impressed. We managed to work it so the projector did not interfere too much with his stuff and faces another direction in the basement. Not an ideal setup but it's there. Huzzah! Will post a few pics soon. Thanks to all |
Pics soon please glad he likes it(I was in the same boat when I got my Ecp now I have three(gotta pick up my thrid set)
Nice to see I ain't the only nec pg owner(mine is a 10pg)
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CasetheCorvetteman
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There is heaps of PG owners here, Aussie_Al has 4 of them.
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the big E
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | There is heaps of PG owners here, Aussie_Al has 4 of them. |
At the rate I am going I may end up with four projectors soon(I know I am soon to have three projectors just waiting on if the third projector to be delivered or if I have to go and pick it up)
I wish curt would provide better support for nec sets(I asked if he would recap some of the boards and he didn't want to do it yes I would have paid him to do  but I have been looking on eBay and seen a gain board on there but I would have to check the numbers and see if its the right one and does work)
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Curt is a busy man, he can only support so much.
I will recap the boards for you, but itll cost you an arm and a leg just for postage, and im busier than a one armed man trying to roll on his condom before he loses his horn...
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Curt Palme
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No, I absolutely won't support NEC PG sets at this point. EVERY repair at this point for the last 6 months has lost me money. A customer sends me one board for repair, in one case one customer sends me two bad boards and I repair them both.
IN every case, the customer's set doesn't work after they get the boards back, and of course there are leaking caps on other boards that also need repair. So now the customer is into spending more money, and I eat the second repair since I can't charge retail for it. It's not the customer's fault, he had no idea that more than one board was bad, and I also had no idea that more than one board was bad, as the boards that they sent in tested bad in every case.
That's why I don't touch NEC PGs any more, not because I'm an Ahole, or because I don't like you. It's simply good business to tell a customer up front that their set is no longer viable to be repaired. Same goes for a 486 computer or a 1979 Datsun. 
Your 10PG has signs of failing caps on multiple boards. It's $200-250 per board to recap. It's simply not worth it.
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the big E
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| Curt Palme wrote: | No, I absolutely won't support NEC PG sets at this point. EVERY repair at this point for the last 6 months has lost me money. A customer sends me one board for repair, in one case one customer sends me two bad boards and I repair them both.
IN every case, the customer's set doesn't work after they get the boards back, and of course there are leaking caps on other boards that also need repair. So now the customer is into spending more money, and I eat the second repair since I can't charge retail for it. It's not the customer's fault, he had no idea that more than one board was bad, and I also had no idea that more than one board was bad, as the boards that they sent in tested bad in every case.
That's why I don't touch NEC PGs any more, not because I'm an Ahole, or because I don't like you. It's simply good business to tell a customer up front that their set is no longer viable to be repaired. Same goes for a 486 computer or a 1979 Datsun.
Your 10PG has signs of failing caps on multiple boards. It's $200-250 per board to recap. It's simply not worth it. |
I seen a gain board on eBay for 80 bucks I would hate to have to get rid of a (somewhat) WORKING projector with low hours on the tubes(the gain board is the problem as I have video on two of the tubes with the one you sent me curt(probably would fully worked had the posted service not squashed the box)
It has 1892 hours exactly on the tubes and they show little wear
I didn't do any name calling curt so don't assume I did I know you are a pro at this
It sucks to have such a nice projector and NOT be able to enjoy it
As far as the caps go my friend did all the other boards in the set except the gain board the output board and the video/svideo decoder
Now had you actually wanted to provide the service I would pay for the work and sent the boards I needed recapped so I am going to find a replacement board for each till I get it working
Now my skills with crt is really good I wouldn't do you like you think I would as I am in the repair business myself(computers) and had the tv companies not done away with crt tvs and crt projection tvs I would most like be a tv tech and computer repair person and I know how it feels to have someone come back and say I didn't do a good job and I always try to make it right so the customer is happy
FYI don't compare these projectors to cars or computers nether are really compareible as I have a 79 Chrysler cordoba I am restoring and it STILL runs to this day even though I don't drive it daily and I have a old apple PowerBook 1400cs that still works(even though the os is out of date)
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CasetheCorvetteman
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And this is FYI Big E, you can compare it any way you like, you dont really know enough about it to make a judgement on it like Curt does.
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the big E
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | And this is FYI Big E, you can compare it any way you like, you dont really know enough about it to make a judgement on it like Curt does. |
I understand and I never said I was a pro at this
Its just computers can't be compared to stuff like cars same with projectors
There is some still using older machines(computers) and are still doing stuff on them trouble free even though the os may not be supported by xx company and can't get new parts for said machine because newer stuff is out that the company wants people to buy
Cars also are viewed different depending on a persons budget and car choice(vintage or not)
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CasetheCorvetteman
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It is not relevant. It was reasonably clear he made the comparison for comparison sake and was not meant in a literal sense.
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the big E
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | It is not relevant. It was reasonably clear he made the comparison for comparison sake and was not meant in a literal sense. |
I know and be has told me before in emails that he didn't want to do it because of previous history and I can't blame him because of it
I am looking for someone in my area who may be able to do the work but I am holding off on getting it done till I can get some more important matters took care of(if I don't get replacment boards first)
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Do it yourself, its not hard.
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the big E
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | Do it yourself, its not hard. |
Thing to it is I don't always have the time to do this and I don't know when I will get to do it
I do wish the postal service was easier on the box they was in (probably would have worked but who knows)
I finely got a cap list for the set and since I only have three boards to do(the rest my friend did) I may just order the caps and take some time till I get them done
They are the gain board the output board and the decoder card for the video/s video inputs
Since I have a few spares to work on(I know its risky but I willing to take that risk) I may try the gain board that was in the set when I got it before I do that one in the set
I am just afraid I will screw up and ruin my projector which wouldn't be good
I haven't had a good week so far and had a horrible weekend(unknowingly ran over one of my cats  and it has been hard to get over the loss)
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