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noos@xp37+
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:49 pm Post subject: 4K on my Ultra + blend resolutions |
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Hey ladies,
I found some time to shoot some resolutions (up to 4k) into my Ultra. Itīs consumer 4k at 3840x2160 run in an 2,4:1 (22:9) aspect ratio resulting in an 3840 * 1600 resolution. I use a Marquee 9500 Ultra with high resolution tubes (PT22) and HD10R5M curve screen lenses. The lenses are made for curve screens and based on the plain HD10 lenses. So there should be more resolution possible with HFQs. The test pattern shows one pixel as one line, so the better you see each single line the better the resolution is resolved. As 4k with one single projector was... well look for youself in the video, I also added blend resolutions. They got mastered by the Ultra!
Have fun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZdzBNPfq8E
Regards
Marc
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Part 2 - 4k interlaced. Looks amazing on one single CRT!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV1jSIAvWIM
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Now, my new test sereis. I had no time to cut all parts together, but so I can skip very fast through my projectors. The first videos will show my very good 1272 running with 1920x800i48 vertivcal and horizontal, then 2560x1080i48. Let me say, in 2560 the desktop looked fine/ok, but it made no sense to increses resolution:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AenkUYmYqXI&list=PLhLp7Kp-iLM3iKXCfHT9C39f1Ys7WWnUi&index=5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPmqgIe12ho&list=PLhLp7Kp-iLM3iKXCfHT9C39f1Ys7WWnUi&index=6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRJEe7z-_Co&list=PLhLp7Kp-iLM3iKXCfHT9C39f1Ys7WWnUi&index=7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FZS6ILIetE&list=PLhLp7Kp-iLM3iKXCfHT9C39f1Ys7WWnUi&index=8
Ok gentleman, I hope you like quize games. What projector do I use in this videos. He is "King of Resolution" so far, and shows content/scan lines 3840x1600i48!!! Close to distracting, but nothing horizontal and Win Desktop looks ugly...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=583YdntH0IY&list=PLhLp7Kp-iLM3iKXCfHT9C39f1Ys7WWnUi&index=10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCvOX-k4qEg&list=PLhLp7Kp-iLM3iKXCfHT9C39f1Ys7WWnUi&index=9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtBh5SLnbps&list=PLhLp7Kp-iLM3iKXCfHT9C39f1Ys7WWnUi&index=12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM7v4nAy-F8&list=PLhLp7Kp-iLM3iKXCfHT9C39f1Ys7WWnUi&index=11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBPj2VzH8Bk&list=PLhLp7Kp-iLM3iKXCfHT9C39f1Ys7WWnUi&index=14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLdcPOt3vGY&list=PLhLp7Kp-iLM3iKXCfHT9C39f1Ys7WWnUi&index=13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2ow8ybUV68&list=PLhLp7Kp-iLM3iKXCfHT9C39f1Ys7WWnUi&index=15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YhheqN-Pjs&list=PLhLp7Kp-iLM3iKXCfHT9C39f1Ys7WWnUi&index=16
Just some final words (only for now):
Yes, the 8500 Ultra will be next.
A 1080p win desktop feels like VGA/480p now, after having tried higher resolutions. There is no stepping back, not wih PC usage. There is so much content now in one window....
I am sure many medium grade stes will not fully resolve 2560 or 3200 horizontally, but they will be fun to use with an PC. The future is now - as even a good ES set might blow a 720p digital if a user can live with a softer 2560x1080i or 2560x1440i. It is a differnt experiance!
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the big E
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:27 am Post subject: |
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I agree nice work and if my nec won't lock onto that resolution I know what machine to get that will(once I get 4k capable equpment)
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| the big E wrote: | | I agree nice work and if my nec won't lock onto that resolution I know what machine to get that will(once I get 4k capable equpment) |
No way known your NEC will take that signal, 1600x1200 is about the best youll get.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | the big E wrote: | | I agree nice work and if my nec won't lock onto that resolution I know what machine to get that will(once I get 4k capable equpment) |
No way known your NEC will take that signal, 1600x1200 is about the best youll get. |
So I am guessing nobody has tried it?
If not then I may need a scaler since I am keeping the nec till the tubes die(if the set doesn't die before then but I doubt that happening)
Ps I have got all the boards except the video boards recapped(going to have curt do the video board as I don't want to screw it up)after I got the other boards redone I powered up the set to make sure it worked and the displays(menus and info screen) on the red tube was shaking so I am not going to run the set till I get the video board fixed(just have to see what curt says on my Ecp first)
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:32 am Post subject: |
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Shaking will be dirty yoke connectors. NECs get that from time to time.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | Shaking will be dirty yoke connectors. NECs get that from time to time. |
Ok I will check the connections sometime today when I have the time to
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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Update that fixed the shaking on the red tube now to get the video boards fixed
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Nice work, well at least it can sync to the high resolution. have you found any 4k material to watch over your PC to the marquee just to see how it looks. Sometimes not seeing scan lines is better when watching normal video.
Athanasios |
Well, the test patterns do not show scan lines, but content lines. Scan lines were gone long before content lines are:-(
But in fact even the desktop looked ok/good in 4k! Youtube degrades the video to much with compression, so you can add mentally lot of sharpness.
I will continue my tests with premium 4k content. I will also try do interlace 4k. So far I am maxed out in interlaced at 2560x1080.
And I think with so some digital sharpening in the post processing (based on the 4k pixel count!) in our home cinemas, we can get a good looking 4k out of some tubes! Stay tuned for the next video.
And thanks for the first comment in the video Athanasios! I guess there are not too many blending Longbow users with an youtube accout.
Marc
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| noos@xp37+ wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | Nice work, well at least it can sync to the high resolution. have you found any 4k material to watch over your PC to the marquee just to see how it looks. Sometimes not seeing scan lines is better when watching normal video.
Athanasios |
Well, the test patterns do not show scan lines, but content lines. Scan lines were gone long before content lines are:-(
But in fact even the desktop looked ok/good in 4k! Youtube degrades the video to much with compression, so you can add mentally lot of sharpness.
I will continue my tests with premium 4k content. I will also try do interlace 4k. So far I am maxed out in interlaced at 2560x1080.
And I think with so some digital sharpening in the post processing (based on the 4k pixel count!) in our home cinemas, we can get a good looking 4k out of some tubes! Stay tuned for the next video.
And thanks for the first comment in the video Athanasios! I guess there are not too many blending Longbow users with an youtube accout.
Marc |
I watched the full YouTube video and even though it degrade the quality I can still see the difference all i can say is nice work
now show some 4k material if you have any   
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Could you try test pattern with lines, circles and numbers so softness/sharpness can be seen?!
Nice tha high end 9 inchers are ready for the next step !
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| Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:08 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for your positive feedbacks!
Other test patterns will def. be included in the next part. And I also want to include a 8500 Ultra - it will be interesting how far itīs very sharp HD8 lenses (at least my ones) can go, and if it is usable for a 4k blend. Still have HD145s here, probably I will find a fast mod to test these also with 4k - as I have no adapters.
Probably I will get some HD10F lenese until then, or in the future.
I have to clear some technical issues with 4k video/film material as some copyright issues. So copyright free material might be used.
I can generate 4k from manipulating current PC game engines, but even in 4k these will show aliasing. This is generally no problem and not visible anymore with high anti-aliasing modes, but I also want to edge enhance all shown test materials in an extra run. Aliasing will not allow very high rates of sharpening. But progressive 4k movie material and test patterns should allow intense amounts of enhancement - so that even a single CRT @ 4k might offer a ultra high detailed picture.
Well, letīs see....
Marc
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| Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:31 am Post subject: |
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How high can you go in an interlaced resolution? Would you get the full 3840x2160i?
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| Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | How high can you go in an interlaced resolution? Would you get the full 3840x2160i? |
Well, yes! But so far I have problems going higher than 2560 horizotally. But I should be able to solve this.
When done, or even before, I will produce a "how to interlace in VISTA/Win7/Win8 with Nvidia and ATI Cards" video.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Sounds good.
Id be interested to see how it would go, considering even alot of lower end sets will do 1920x1080i to varying degrees...
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That's one small step for a man, one giant...
These are officially the first ever written words in 4Ki, or UltraHDi. I should be asleep for hours now, can not control my writing anymore, have fried at least my main graphic card while swapping to try others - but I have 4k interlaced in all aspects and refresh rates here! The desktop and browsing looks incredible - very unexpected. I even see faint vertical lines in the test patterns (3840x1600i 48)! My Marque reports 43,74khz @ 48hz - but I need some horiz. extra porches for full screen width, but I am even running by now 110 extra vertical. Software players behave like in the past when fullhd was new, when the hardware was running at itīs limits. Wow wow wow, are the only word when I look a desktop in this resolution, while it is easy to read!
I need sleep, but I start tomorrow with the videos of 4k and 4ki on different CRTs. Plus, I will start the how to interlace video. But I am also testing more graphic cards before. Lucky, I own a dozen....
Peace
Marc
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| noos@xp37+ wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | Nice work, well at least it can sync to the high resolution. have you found any 4k material to watch over your PC to the marquee just to see how it looks. Sometimes not seeing scan lines is better when watching normal video.
Athanasios |
Well, the test patterns do not show scan lines, but content lines. Scan lines were gone long before content lines are:-(
But in fact even the desktop looked ok/good in 4k! Youtube degrades the video to much with compression, so you can add mentally lot of sharpness.
I will continue my tests with premium 4k content. I will also try do interlace 4k. So far I am maxed out in interlaced at 2560x1080.
And I think with so some digital sharpening in the post processing (based on the 4k pixel count!) in our home cinemas, we can get a good looking 4k out of some tubes! Stay tuned for the next video.
And thanks for the first comment in the video Athanasios! I guess there are not too many blending Longbow users with an youtube accout.
Marc |
Well done.
Interlaced would interesting and perhaps one projector may work.
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Very Very Cool Marc! I love it when people here do crazy sh*t just to see if it can be done!!!
Nashou |
Indeed 
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| Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:36 am Post subject: |
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One projector does work! I am praising a single CRT 4Ki picture!
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