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the big E
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | Yep, its all in the hardware.
I wouldn't worry too much about wearing 07MS tubes, in my experience they seem to last a very long time. Although my experience is with the two Sony 1001QMs I have here, I got some almost new zero wear tubes from Curt about 4 years ago and those are still showing no visible wear, probably put about 1000 hours on them, but in this case the rasters were almost filling the whole tube face with about 2 or 3mm at the closest point, which on the 1001 seemed to cause no issues at all. I also had the tubes almost perpendicular to the screen, so the rasters were all very close to zero keystone.
The original 07MS tubes in the first 1001QM I have here have done a hell of a lot of hours, although they are badly worn and VERY soft, then ran an average of 16 hrs a day, 7 days a week from 1996 til 2005 when the convergence board in the set failed and it was removed from service. ( replaced with a digital that lasted a whole 2,000 hrs  )
Ill post a pic of them after their 9 years of dedicated service... |
I am getting a red and green 07ms set of tubes along with a set of sd187 tubes also from curt my Ecp has a 07ms blue tube in it now(so I will swap my sd187 tubes in my set now with the 07ms tubes I am getting from curt)
Not sure if I will keep the sd187 tubes after I swap them out since they ain't as bright as the 07ms tubes(600 lumens vs725 lumens)as I tried my Ecp with the g2's to where the tubes (and be proper balanced on the gray scale)would go off during a all black sceane yet the picture was to dim for my size screen(not a good thing)
Both my sd187 tubes are mint the 07ms is showing a bit of wear(not bad enough to where it would effect the color balance of the set though)
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | Here they are. The wear doesn't show in these pics near as bad as it really was.
Blue and green:
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P.S. Ive still got them somewhere, and they have never had a fungus problem either  |
Wow that is some wear on the tubes
If you mind me asking what did you have the brightness and contrast at?
I have my brightness at 4 and contrast at 7(may be a bit high)but I get a really good picture from the set at these settings(just hate to have the g2 up like it is on the sd187 tubes(you can see the raster even on a night sceane of the movie on both the red and green tubes which are sd187)
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No idea, cause the machine was not set up or removed by me, or chances are it'd still be there They were probably at default, which on a Sony is somewhere around 80 or 90 I think. I haven't touched the brightness or contrast on one of these for a hell of a long time. I started working there not long after the machine was installed, and I was away at the time of it's removal.
Considering the purpose the next 7 Digitals that have sat in it's chair have served, this machine would've been more than ample for the task, and with the replaced tubes would still be going strong without another cent being spent on it.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | No idea, cause the machine was not set up or removed by me, or chances are it'd still be there They were probably at default, which on a Sony is somewhere around 80 or 90 I think. I haven't touched the brightness or contrast on one of these for a hell of a long time. |
I guess I will use the set with the 07ms tubes till they look like the ones in your pics(I have the contrast high but the brightness lower then most of course that may change once I get the 07ms red and green tubes in the set( I may be killing the tubes with the way I am running them not sure but it is a bright picture but it don't matter as some of the spare boards I have for my Ecp are bad(I don't have the time to do any repairs to them so I have spares) but I already had to swap out the video control module as I was adjusting it (during the g2 adjustment for true black) and not long after it flagged the red error light and made the set act funny (even made a ringing noise somewhere in the set)
But my red tube(sd187) has a flaky anode wire is another resion I am swapping the sd187 tubes out for the 07ms tubes(even though the service manual lists the sd187 tubes) it makes a ticking noise and randomly loses focus(electronically)
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:33 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't worry about what the numbers are set to, it really doesn't mean a lot at all. Its what is coming out of the tubes that matters. If the contrast is up all the way but the image isn't blindingly bright, chances are they wont wear any quicker.
Either way you need it set high enough to see the image on the screen properly!! Youre just wasting the projector if its not up high enough to look the way it should, and that machine of yours is always going to lead a hard life lighting up a screen the size of yours.
About all I can say about the Sony 1001 that was installed at work was that is was on a 100" 4:3 screen in a dimmed but still lit room, and it was plenty bright enough for sport and advertising. When someone put the lights on high it was quite washed out, but then so are the digitals that took its place.
When I repaired it and started playing games on it, the image was so soft you could hardly see any scan lines on it even at 240p, with the replacement tubes it was razor sharp and quite bright.
I will probably end up gutting a couple non working rear projection CRTs and put them in there if I get some big ones I cant fix, although id like to put a 9PG in a 64" rear pro set if I can find one for the right price
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | I wouldn't worry about what the numbers are set to, it really doesn't mean a lot at all. Its what is coming out of the tubes that matters. If the contrast is up all the way but the image isn't blindingly bright, chances are they wont wear any quicker.
Either way you need it set high enough to see the image on the screen properly!! Youre just wasting the projector if its not up high enough to look the way it should, and that machine of yours is always going to lead a hard life lighting up a screen the size of yours.
About all I can say about the Sony 1001 that was installed at work was that is was on a 100" 4:3 screen in a dimmed but still lit room, and it was plenty bright enough for sport and advertising. When someone put the lights on high it was quite washed out, but then so are the digitals that took its place.
When I repaired it and started playing games on it, the image was so soft you could hardly see any scan lines on it even at 240p, with the replacement tubes it was razor sharp and quite bright.
I will probably end up gutting a couple non working rear projection CRTs and put them in there if I get some big ones I cant fix, although id like to put a 9PG in a 64" rear pro set if I can find one for the right price |
Way ahead of you but the screen is smaller(I am repairing one but gutted two back of this)
Given I have the contrast at7 and could go higher(risk of power supply would be a factor) my screen size is rough on my set I am getting a nec 10pg soon so I may get to use the Ecp at a bit smaller image size(if I can find time to set up the nec I just cleaned the lens on the Ecp today(those are heavier then I thought)
But considering I am a gamer(and love the classic games) I figure this set will see a good deal of use while its in my ownership
But given i only have one blue tube and soon to have two of the red and green tubes I may retire it before the tubes need replacing (if the chassis don't die before that)
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I play a lot of games on my XG, its ultra sharp at 240p
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:13 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | I play a lot of games on my XG, its ultra sharp at 240p |
I do most of my gaming at 1080 or 720 but my older systems are 480i
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:34 am Post subject: |
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What systems are you using that put out 480i?
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | What systems are you using that put out 480i? |
Nes (orgenal nentendo) snes(Super Nintendo)n64(Nintendo 64) my Nintendo wii also is 480i also but I haven't found the other cables(thinking of getting the new wii u system which has hdmi)
My Ecp is making a popping noise and I haven't found the source yet(thinking its the power supply)
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:10 am Post subject: |
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NES = 240p ( although the games arent that high res )
SNES = 240p
N64 in alot of games = 240p
The Wii is 480i and 576i with composite, and on your ECP will look nicer in 576i. 480p with component cable. WiiU does most common resolutions and can use the cables from the Wii, but it comes with a HDMI cable in the box ( mine did anyway! )
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | NES = 240p ( although the games arent that high res )
SNES = 240p
N64 in alot of games = 240p
The Wii is 480i and 576i with composite, and on your ECP will look nicer in 576i. 480p with component cable. WiiU does most common resolutions and can use the cables from the Wii, but it comes with a HDMI cable in the box ( mine did anyway! ) |
I plan on getting a wii u soon but I am running my non HD systems through my DVD/VCR which upscales them to 720p(selectable in display setting of the DVD/VCR)
But I am having a high voltage issue somewhere in my Ecp and I can't find it YET but I am suspecting the power supply since I am not seeing any arcing while the set is running(but I hear a ticking from the set while its running and it has made a popping like arcing noise five times(one time the set was displaying my ps3 and the picture lost all focus and went blurry when it popped)I suspect the power supply but I haven't checked all of the high voltage lines in the set which I will do tomorrow as I need a good nights sleep before I mess around with the high voltage in the set(don't want to get shocked)
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| the big E wrote: |
... but I am running my non HD systems through my DVD/VCR which upscales them to 720p) |
Oh no!!!!!  The horror!!! That must look terrible using a DVD player for a scaler... Play them direct in with RGB and enjoy the better picture.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | NES = 240p ( although the games arent that high res )
SNES = 240p
N64 in alot of games = 240p
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Do you really use 240p with your projector? I can't imagine how huge the scanlines must be! 480p is already unwatchable on my 808.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| fragzero wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | NES = 240p ( although the games arent that high res )
SNES = 240p
N64 in alot of games = 240p
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Do you really use 240p with your projector? I can't imagine how huge the scanlines must be! 480p is already unwatchable on my 808. |
Ofcourse I do, and it looks f***en awesome Much less chance of burn in too, cause the moving image function on the XG moves the image around enough that it covers the areas that are black, so only half as much wear should occur. Ive played the same games for a very long time and never burned a thing in yet, even the CREDIT text at the bottom of the screen, which is the same on almost all the earlier NEO-GEO games.
Don't take my word for it though:
Genuine original Point Blank with the NAMCO guns:
Both my rear projection CRTs upscale everything by either line doubling or field doubling ( depending on whether you choose progressive in the menu or not ) and they look terrible on retro consoles compared to the older Panasonic GAOO rear projection TV that was 15.7kHz only.
Although they were fine for this:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a185/Casethecorvetteman/Gaming%20shots/Model%202/image_zps492d320c.jpg
Theoretically much less chance of burn in too, cause the moving image function on the XG moves the image around enough that it covers the areas that are black, so only half as much wear should occur. Ive played the same games for a very long time and never burned a thing in yet, even the CREDIT text at the bottom of the screen, which is the same on almost all the earlier NEO-GEO games.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Ha maybe i should give 240p a go!
I have a SNES + RGB cable + a free port 5 cable
One thing is certain, this way you have one of the biggest display with nearly no lag in the entire world 
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Mate you really should, I think youll be amazed by the result.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:54 am Post subject: |
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don't you get horrible burn-in with the many static icons and texts from the 240p-era of consoles?
I have to admit, that close-up is the best converged 240p I have ever seen,
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| fuchs wrote: | don't you get horrible burn-in with the many static icons and texts from the 240p-era of consoles?
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No, never burned anything in, but im only using a 125" 5:4 screen too. Even on the 9PG ive never burned anything in. I keep a pretty good eye on it.
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I have to admit, that close-up is the best converged 240p I have ever seen, |
Its pretty spot on mate eh??
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big E: I met mrblonde83 last Frdiay and the blue tube had some sort of window-pattern burn in. At first glance though, the R and G look good...so, sorry no extra blue tube was freed-up for you.
Regarding your pooping noise thread, he might be willing to sell the HVPS/SMPS to you, not sure. I basically left with the tubes, chassis, and keystone board -- he'd stripped the rest of it.
Matt
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