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[mr_ro_co]

[dvh99]

blended 9inch with mods vs a 8 inch without mods wouldn`t be a fair comparison either, i bet your setup smokes kal`s.

[Spanky Ham]

A blend 9" will be better than an 8", but it still isn't going to have a high mtf. I a not sure if you can do complete fade to black like Kal is saying. In this instance, Kal is a sample of 1. IIRC Darinp measured a gamma modded G70 at over 100k to 1 on/off. I believe this was four years ago, so I am not sure what calibration instruments.

I might add that a lot of this theoretical discussions took place on AVS years ago. Darin usually played the digital devil in these arguments. His point that he explained in his article on Secrets is that all of these metrics play a part in making a good picture. If ANSI cr didn't matter, then there would never have been a need for LC. The bottom line is that everyone individually decides which metric is more important and how much weight to attribute to each metric.

If one reads some of those old battle threads, then you will see that one of Darin's chief adversaries was Dave (person99). Dave would argue constantly with Darin until he switched to digital. Dave, who was big on on/off cr, ironically went with a DLP. IIRC he put a Panamorph lens or similar on it to go scope. He found that he preferred this set up to his CRT.

Which brings us to my final point and may be the biggest difference between a lot of people here. For Dave, Crabb, Kal, some others and myself, the technology is a means to an end not the end itself. We are looking for a beautiful big picture experience and will go with whatever achieves that for us. For others like Nash, CRT is a hobby and the means to that end. There is no right or wrong just a preference.

Finally, I see JVC has a RS45 for $1900 on ebay. I am probably going to run my G90 till it dies and then I wouldn't hesitate to click the BIN button.

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?ff3=4&pub=5574906687&toolid=10001&campid=5336656890&customid=&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2FJVC-D-ILA-DLA-RS45U-DLA-RS45-REFERENCE-SERIES-3D-HOME-CINEMA-PROJECTOR-%2F140982610835%3Fpt%3DUS_Video_Projectors%26hash%3Ditem20d337eb93

[kal]

Wow. Good price! 100% positive feedback too.

eBay link updated to support this forum at no additional cost to the buyer - thank you!

Kal

[kal]

Wow. Good price! 100% positive feedback too.

eBay link updated to support this forum at no additional cost to the buyer - thank you!

Kal

[Spanky Ham]

One nice thing about buying these pjs is that they say that it has been refurb by their techs. My guess is that you don't have to worry about it having a convergence issue. I know my best friend received a bad JVC. His was replaced and I assume these refurbs are the ones like his that had problems. I wonder if our JVC guy could give some insight on this.

Oh I should add this for you Kal. They had a 55 for $3900 a couple of days ago.

One more edit. They have the RS40 for $1549.

[kal]

[kal]

[ecrabb]

[km987654]

[stridsvognen]

Fun thread.. would be interesting if someone would make some real world ansi contrast Measurements on CRT and digital.. Im not convinced that digital have better Ansi..

[ecrabb]

[stridsvognen]

The interesting thing would be your measurements.. Not the fancy nr from the catalogs.. Many DLP have problem douing a 1000:1 on off contrast.

What is the Ansi contrast on your JVC.? and please not the nr. in the color catalog where you ordered yours.

My 8500 AC Ultra do 38:1 in a room with White walls, and some light from the street.. Im not sure i remember the nr right on my JVC, so have to check up on that another day.

it was measured with 12fl, and the ansi pattern in the radiance.

[km987654]

There are so many knowledgeable people here that have a wonderful grasp of all the technical aspects of image projection.

I would say though if you have to use finely tuned instruments to detect a difference in image "quality" then I am not sure why anyone actually bothers if you can't simply look at what is being projected and either like it or not then what are you doing. I put it to everyone here that it would be possible to obtain a technically superior image, one that has all the right technical features, and I bet some will look at it and not like it.

[opv]

[ecrabb]

[opv]

[stridsvognen]

[opv]

[stridsvognen]

I think you need to find the displays, and measure them yourself then. So your sure you get the right nr. and same conditions.

And take them apart and check out the internal conditions.

If you think about the displays a bit like a room, then you have different conditions/ light reflections, in projectors its the chamber where the chips/ panels are, and how much ligt is trown back on the panel, can also be reflecting light from the screen gettin back true the lense.

On CRT tube i guess there is some light inside the tube messing with what you see on the tube face.

Its also possible just to hear what others think, and see if that helps you to understand how its working. remember we all prefer and have different ways of looking at it. Thats the biggest problem on a forum.. WHO knows for sure what the guy writing is talking about, or how is his standards compared to yours.

You can find one that know all the details from reading the last 20 years, and have the power to controle the Words he write.

Then there might be another guy WHO have 40 years of real life experience with almost all displays ever made, but he is no good writing about it.. Wich one will you belive.. I know..

[opv]

Don't get me wrong, but what exactly made you think I'm looking for an advice?
I love my 9" CRT PQ and I know the upsides and downsides.
I'm interested in a theoretic discussion.

[stridsvognen]