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Marquee 8500AC ANSI contrtast improvement ?
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Nashou66



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Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 5:53 pm    Post subject:

it help if you could also find the right mask for the back of the Lens. But there is an AR coating that would come off if you used an adhesive.

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stridsvognen
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 6:05 pm    Post subject:

ill not do more than this.. I'm sure it reduces a lot of light output to the room, and remove the cross light between tubes, and some reflections bunching around between the tube and lenses.

ill let you know later if its worth the time..
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 9:21 pm    Post subject:

Now i have seen a bit, and im happy.
Ill say its a big improvement in Ansi contrast, i just had to check the gamma, its calibrated to 2,24, and i i thought it was way higher today, but no.. 2.23, White balance looks almost the same, but light output at 100% has dropped 0,6fl with the masking.

And its clearly changed from a bit washed out Picture into something that in some scenes looks stunning,

Halo is still the same, its still not a LC machine, but its well worth the time controling all the light bleed between tubes, and reflections.

I actually think ill do something like this to the tubes on my 9500LC when im going to change belows and paint the chambers.
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Spanky Ham



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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 3:27 am    Post subject:

Strid,
Interesting test. I know NEC put black tape on the bottom and top of the c-elements in their LC pjs. I have always thought that if one could paint the tube face and both sides of the c-element then you could increase ANSI in a LC pj. Scott either thought I was nuts or didn't think it would work, but it was probably the former. Laughing I guess the only issue for my idea would be what kind of black paint/coating would hold up to glycol and stick to the surfaces long term.
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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 4:58 am    Post subject:

for LC ill use the same Black epoxy pant for the masking as ill use for the Marquee alu chamber, It would not be fun to make the masking to big..

I wonder why this is not more common for AC projectors, its fast, cheep, and a huge improvement, at least on a Marquee.
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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 5:23 am    Post subject:

here is the Measurements from before and after masking, later ill get the White balance perfected, and the gamma a bit Down in the low end, and up in the high end.
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fragzero



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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 10:31 am    Post subject:

Seems this is something i have to try Smile

HD144/HD145 are said to improve contrast and reduce the Halo effect, maybe these have some kind of coating which reduces the reflections? (you are using hd8's right?)
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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 10:32 am    Post subject:

XG LCs have a black piece stuck to the C-element top and bottom on the sets ive seen, simular to what you designed.

EDIT: Spanky allready said that, i was still on previous page....
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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 10:44 am    Post subject:

fragzero wrote:
Seems this is something i have to try Smile

HD144/HD145 are said to improve contrast and reduce the Halo effect, maybe these have some kind of coating which reduces the reflections? (you are using hd8's right?)


yeah, standard HD8, actually a standard 8500 ULTRA.

I think no matter what lenses this will have around the same effect on ansi contrast.. most on AC machines with cross light betwen tubes.

After this i have seen stunning low level scenes where that nice wow contrast i remember from my LC machine, and remember im running a gamma around 2,23, well its around 2,3 in the low level, but it can go lower now without getting that washed out image.

The area masked on the tubes seems to do a lot of lighting up the room around the screen, when running 16-9


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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 10:52 am    Post subject:

If anyone like to see the gamma run..
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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:03 am    Post subject:

CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
XG LCs have a black piece stuck to the C-element top and bottom on the sets ive seen, simular to what you designed.

EDIT: Spanky allready said that, i was still on previous page....


Welcome to you to.. Wink

Would be cool if it was possible to buy masked C elements for 16-9.

But just look at the used prices of a normal red C element, and think about the Price of 3 elements... scary.. lol

So painting the tube face seems like a good way to go for LC.
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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:05 am    Post subject:

Provided the paint doesnt desolve in the glycol!! Laughing
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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:17 am    Post subject:

CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
Provided the paint doesnt desolve in the glycol!! Laughing


Epoxy. Now go paint some tubes.. Very Happy

No.. wait a bit.. How much heat is in those chambers, And also on the AC tubes.? We dont want to burn tubes.. Do we.?

I dont think its a problem on the Marquee, like none of the surrounding alu ever gets hot, it always feels Cold to me.. But im not sure what long term effect it might have.
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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:20 am    Post subject:

Be damned if im pulling my tubes out!! It is astigged , focused and converged perfectly at the moment Wink
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gjaky



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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:33 am    Post subject:

stridsvognen wrote:
CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
Provided the paint doesnt desolve in the glycol!! Laughing


Epoxy. Now go paint some tubes.. Very Happy

No.. wait a bit.. How much heat is in those chambers, And also on the AC tubes.? We dont want to burn tubes.. Do we.?

I dont think its a problem on the Marquee, like none of the surrounding alu ever gets hot, it always feels Cold to me.. But im not sure what long term effect it might have.


Well glass is considered as a quite bad heat conductor, you want to paint the area of the tubeface which is not used, hence no heating there.

I also heard that HD145 lenses have less halo effect, but I compared them directly to my HD6C ML lenses and I can say they looked the same halo-wise, however I don't know how is this comparable to HD8, since it has bigger lens diameter.

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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:48 am    Post subject:

Im sure the HD145 is better all around, and one of the things i miss with this 8500AC i have here, is the color corection, and better corner focus would be a +.

But like its just a test machine, and i have 2x 9500LC im not going to spend much Money for lenses on this 8500.

I have the feeling that its possible to make a super nice 8" AC machine cheep, that was my goal, just see what i could do for no money, and a bit of time.
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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:54 am    Post subject:

stridsvognen wrote:
I have the feeling that its possible to make a super nice 8" AC machine cheep


But that is already available in the form of NEC PG xtra, and XG Wink

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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 12:01 pm    Post subject:

gjaky wrote:
stridsvognen wrote:
I have the feeling that its possible to make a super nice 8" AC machine cheep


But that is already available in the form of NEC PG xtra, and XG Wink


Hey.. Now thats no fun at all, and please dont flash your bad projector taste in this thread.. We dont like spam on this forum.. Wink

Dont make me beat your NEC with my Marquee.. lol
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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 12:26 pm    Post subject:

Well I owned a Marquee 7500 (though not an ultra, but was fully modded) along with the NEC, guess which one went. Thumbs Up But I understand that there is not enough NEC for everyone, so some people must settle with another brand, it's sad, but true. Laughing
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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:05 pm    Post subject:

gjaky wrote:
Well I owned a Marquee 7500 (though not an ultra, but was fully modded) along with the NEC, guess which one went. Thumbs Up But I understand that there is not enough NEC for everyone, so some people must settle with another brand, it's sad, but true. Laughing


Marquee7500 VS NEC.. come on.. lol We want proves.. 1080P test patterns showing 1:1 resolution and calibration Measurements..

I get the feeling that this will not be as simple as just beating up your NEC. Might need to treat the owner of it to.. Wink
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