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Tom.W
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I will require something with multiple bays as I do have 2- 400 disc changers that are close to full.
Chip you should be able to fit 800 SD DVDs on two 3tb drives. I have 6tb of internal storage on my Dune HD Duo. All you really need to get started is an external BD drive,AnyDVD, hard drives and a dune. I have another three 2tb external drives plugged into the USB ports on the Dune for a total of 12tb. The real work begins with just copying 800 DVD's to ISO files let alone about 200 or more BD and HDDVD;s !!!
I chose to just just make a copy of each drive for safe backup no raid because once you go thru backing up your entire collection you will NOT want to have to do it again ! 
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stefuel
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| Tom.W wrote: | Quote:
I will require something with multiple bays as I do have 2- 400 disc changers that are close to full.
Chip you should be able to fit 800 SD DVDs on two 3tb drives. I have 6tb of internal storage on my Dune HD Duo. All you really need to get started is an external BD drive,AnyDVD, hard drives and a dune. I have another three 2tb external drives plugged into the USB ports on the Dune for a total of 12tb. The real work begins with just copying 800 DVD's to ISO files let alone about 200 or more BD and HDDVD;s !!!
I chose to just just make a copy of each drive for safe backup no raid because once you go thru backing up your entire collection you will NOT want to have to do it again ! |
The first 400 disc changer is plain-ole DVD with Escient interface. The second it a BD changer.
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| Tom.W wrote: | Quote:
I will require something with multiple bays as I do have 2- 400 disc changers that are close to full.
Chip you should be able to fit 800 SD DVDs on two 3tb drives. I have 6tb of internal storage on my Dune HD Duo. All you really need to get started is an external BD drive,AnyDVD, hard drives and a dune. I have another three 2tb external drives plugged into the USB ports on the Dune for a total of 12tb. The real work begins with just copying 800 DVD's to ISO files let alone about 200 or more BD and HDDVD;s !!!
I chose to just just make a copy of each drive for safe backup no raid because once you go thru backing up your entire collection you will NOT want to have to do it again ! |
I have one of these and it does just that, automatically copies and rips your DVDs for you, and can burn them if you wish:
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Tom.W
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Looks like over kill ! What did they go for new and how do they circumnavigate copy protection ?
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stefuel
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| Tom.W wrote: | Quote:
I will require something with multiple bays as I do have 2- 400 disc changers that are close to full.
Chip you should be able to fit 800 SD DVDs on two 3tb drives. I have 6tb of internal storage on my Dune HD Duo. All you really need to get started is an external BD drive,AnyDVD, hard drives and a dune. I have another three 2tb external drives plugged into the USB ports on the Dune for a total of 12tb. The real work begins with just copying 800 DVD's to ISO files let alone about 200 or more BD and HDDVD;s !!!
I chose to just just make a copy of each drive for safe backup no raid because once you go thru backing up your entire collection you will NOT want to have to do it again ! |
Sorry. Been gone for a while. Work has been crazy
Tom, I'm not sure I want a media player with internal storage unless I can share that with a second standalone player. I'm thinking more along the lines of a central NAS/server device to feed 2 media players. I wish to rack mount two players. The theater player will HDMI into my Onkyo AVR so that I have 7.1 sound. The living room unit will connect direct to the flatscreen via HDMI and use the TV's sound. The shared media storage device will be in the equipment room with the rack. Other then the display, speakers and touch screen there is no equipment in the rooms. It's all out in the rack.
Here is another interesting question. I have bought movies from Fios. They are on the STB's internal HDD. Can they be somehow copied over to a NAS/server???
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ecrabb
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| stefuel wrote: | | Here is another interesting question. I have bought movies from Fios. They are on the STB's internal HDD. Can they be somehow copied over to a NAS/server??? |
The drive is amost certainly encrypted with the content keyed to the box serial number, so almost certainly not. That's the way the content owners want it. Typically, the only way to get stuff off a cable/sat box is to play it back in real-time and record it with a capture device.
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| ecrabb wrote: | | stefuel wrote: | | Here is another interesting question. I have bought movies from Fios. They are on the STB's internal HDD. Can they be somehow copied over to a NAS/server??? |
The drive is amost certainly encrypted with the content keyed to the box serial number, so almost certainly not. That's the way the content owners want it. Typically, the only way to get stuff off a cable/sat box is to play it back in real-time and record it with a capture device.
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This is not to disagree with what Crabb is saying because I don't know what Fios uses. But I do know that some DVR type stb's are not encrypted but rather in a format that a PC does not recognize. However, for some there is software that you can load into your PC and it will recognize and allow transfer of these recorded programs. I have done it many times on some STB's. But that was a few years ago also.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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This is not to disagree with what Crabb is saying because I don't know what Fios uses. But I do know that some DVR type stb's are not encrypted but rather in a format that a PC does not recognize. However, for some there is software that you can load into your PC and it will recognize and allow transfer of these recorded programs. I have done it many times on some STB's. But that was a few years ago also. |
Its all true yes. Ive done it with DVRs a few times here.
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You may have done it some years ago, but the content owners wised up and have forced the providers and hardware oems to close all those holes so that analog is the only hole left.
I'm not saying its impossible, but its much less likely to be possible than it was even 2 or 3 years ago. Fios? I'd say very, very unlikely.
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stefuel
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Well the stuff on the STB is not a deal breaker but the 600 DVD's and BD's that I have loaded in two changers is.
I finally got the server back together and running. Today I picked up a external USB 3.0 BD/DVD drive
LG BE14NU40 to feed MakeMKV that is loaded into the server. I have loaded up three movies tonight Two of them worked perfect. One however did not seem to have a main movie file or I missed it. It looked to have many titles to make one movie. Next I need a media player with a decent front end and sort out my LAN.
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stefuel
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Once again back to work on this project. Switched gears on the server. That big honkin commercial server is to much to deal with for the amount of storage it could provide. Large SCSI drives are to expensive and the machine it's self sucks up to much power (2.5 amps sitting there doing nothing). So I came across some recently taken out of service Dell work stations that have 4 SATA drive ports and spaces along with space for one PATA HDD. So I'm going to try to get the OS on a 60GB PATA drive and save all 4 SATA drives for raid 5 storage. The only gutcha is the Work stations older bios and on board SATA control only supports 2TB. So I may have to buy a pci-E SATA controller or go the software raid route.
I think I prefer harware raid but cost may dictate the software route. Those of you that are using Dune players. Are you using the stock front end or something like Zappiti?
I wonder if I can call in sick long enough to back up 600 movies 
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CIR Engineering
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| stefuel wrote: | Once again back to work on this project. Switched gears on the server. That big honkin commercial server is to much to deal with for the amount of storage it could provide. Large SCSI drives are to expensive and the machine it's self sucks up to much power (2.5 amps sitting there doing nothing). So I came across some recently taken out of service Dell work stations that have 4 SATA drive ports and spaces along with space for one PATA HDD. So I'm going to try to get the OS on a 60GB PATA drive and save all 4 SATA drives for raid 5 storage. The only gutcha is the Work stations older bios and on board SATA control only supports 2TB. So I may have to buy a pci-E SATA controller or go the software raid route.
I think I prefer harware raid but cost may dictate the software route. Those of you that are using Dune players. Are you using the stock front end or something like Zappiti?
I wonder if I can call in sick long enough to back up 600 movies |
With the Dune players I use yaDIS (much like Zappiti). Below is what the interface looks like:
For SATA cards I just got an IBM ServeRAID M1015. It is based on the LSI SAS2008 chip. I cross flashed the M1015 to an LSI9211-IT without bios. This provides straight pass through with no boot option so it is perfect for software RAID, unRAID, or ZFS (no bios means faster boot times). You could also cross flash it to an LSI9211-IR for hardware RAID support. The card is available used on eBay or wherever for around $100 and supports 2x mini-SAS connections so 8x SATA drives. It also works with 3 and 4TB drives and should work with the coming 5TB drives just fine. Uses PCIe 8x and is very fast. I did a ZFS scrub with it yesterday on my array and was transferring at 400 MB/sec (took about 10 hours to scrub 12TB). It can also saturate my gigabit connection so running 3x HD streams around the house is no problem.
Here are instructions on cross flashing the card. Took me all of about 10 minutes:
http://www.servethehome.com/ibm-serveraid-m1015-part-4/
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Thanks Craig. Not sure I want to tackle that re-flash thing. I do have someone else helping me with the work station.
Back to yadis. I have a post over at the.... OTHER.... forum. As I'm looking at Dune for the players for 2 rooms.
Whichever front end I use must be super simple to navigate as the primary user will be my autistic son. He can read but mostly chooses his movie selection via cover art. He has no problem with my Escient/Sony 400 disc changer or the Sony 400 disc BD changer as both provide cover art.
You are probably wondering why if I have the changers that I'm even going this route. Well the Escient/Sony is old and I'm trying to be proactive. The Sony BD changer is slow as poo flowing up hill. Not to mention my displeasure with all the ads you have to sit through. I like the idea of selecting a movie and it just starts playing. That is much like the Escient but you still have to wait for the changer to do it's thing.
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| stefuel wrote: | Thanks Craig. Not sure I want to tackle that re-flash thing. I do have someone else helping me with the work station.
Back to yadis. I have a post over at the.... OTHER.... forum. As I'm looking at Dune for the players for 2 rooms.
Whichever front end I use must be super simple to navigate as the primary user will be my autistic son. He can read but mostly chooses his movie selection via cover art. He has no problem with my Escient/Sony 400 disc changer or the Sony 400 disc BD changer as both provide cover art.
You are probably wondering why if I have the changers that I'm even going this route. Well the Escient/Sony is old and I'm trying to be proactive. The Sony BD changer is slow as poo flowing up hill. Not to mention my displeasure with all the ads you have to sit through. I like the idea of selecting a movie and it just starts playing. That is much like the Escient but you still have to wait for the changer to do it's thing. |
The cross flash is pretty easy if you have recent experience at the command prompt, but if not I could see how it might be daunting. Here is another guide that is more basic with lots of hand holding.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1438027/planning-to-rebuild-my-20tb-whs-flexraid-server-information-requested/1020#post_23440492
The thing about the card is that it is by far (several hundreds of $$$) the cheapest controller that supports large drives (more than 2TB). It has the added advantage of being super fast in terms of performance.
That being said, you may want to consider using unRAID, or NAS4Free, or FreeNASS, and then just getting a motherboard with 6 or more SATA connections. That's how I did my first server build. I used all six SATA ports for 3TB hard drives and then the OS gets installed embedded on a USB stick instead of a HD.
The yaDIS interface is very easy to navigate with the GUI using cover art. If your son is ok with the Escient than I am pretty sure he will be good with yaDIS or Zap. yaDIS seems to be the most popular now where Zap was in the past, but they are both popular and very similar. I found that yaDIS had fewer issues the way I wanted to use it for storing primarily BD movie rips, but complete TV series BS ISO files.
Both interfaces will have a learning curve for you when you start setting them up and I am sure you'll run into unforeseen complications. That being said, it's not rocket science. The user interface its self though is very easy and my electronics impaired friends and parents can pick up the remote and use it without asking me any questions.
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| stefuel wrote: | Thanks Craig. Not sure I want to tackle that re-flash thing. I do have someone else helping me with the work station.
Back to yadis. I have a post over at the.... OTHER.... forum. As I'm looking at Dune for the players for 2 rooms.
Whichever front end I use must be super simple to navigate as the primary user will be my autistic son. He can read but mostly chooses his movie selection via cover art. He has no problem with my Escient/Sony 400 disc changer or the Sony 400 disc BD changer as both provide cover art.
You are probably wondering why if I have the changers that I'm even going this route. Well the Escient/Sony is old and I'm trying to be proactive. The Sony BD changer is slow as poo flowing up hill. Not to mention my displeasure with all the ads you have to sit through. I like the idea of selecting a movie and it just starts playing. That is much like the Escient but you still have to wait for the changer to do it's thing. |
If your meaning about flashing the bios on a computer it's not hard but you better have a ups cause if the power fails the computer is a brick(well the motherboard is)trust me I have done and don't recommend doing it unless you have to
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Just want to be sure about something. You are using the Dune IR remote to select movies from the on screen displays or are you using keyboard and mouse?
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| the big E wrote: | | trust me I have done and don't recommend doing it unless you have to |
Rubish. Its easy. Do it whenever you like, ive done tones of them and never had a single failure. Add to the fact alot of newer mobos have dual BIOS and even if failure occurs youre still safe. If it does fail, single BIOS mobos are cheap as chips anyway.
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| stefuel wrote: | | Just want to be sure about something. You are using the Dune IR remote to select movies from the on screen displays or are you using keyboard and mouse? |
Yes, Dune IR remote. I have never hooked a mouse or keyboard up to my Dune.
Up, down, left, right, enter, and exit are the only buttons the user needs to navigate.
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| the big E wrote: | | stefuel wrote: | Thanks Craig. Not sure I want to tackle that re-flash thing. I do have someone else helping me with the work station.
Back to yadis. I have a post over at the.... OTHER.... forum. As I'm looking at Dune for the players for 2 rooms.
Whichever front end I use must be super simple to navigate as the primary user will be my autistic son. He can read but mostly chooses his movie selection via cover art. He has no problem with my Escient/Sony 400 disc changer or the Sony 400 disc BD changer as both provide cover art.
You are probably wondering why if I have the changers that I'm even going this route. Well the Escient/Sony is old and I'm trying to be proactive. The Sony BD changer is slow as poo flowing up hill. Not to mention my displeasure with all the ads you have to sit through. I like the idea of selecting a movie and it just starts playing. That is much like the Escient but you still have to wait for the changer to do it's thing. |
If your meaning about flashing the bios on a computer it's not hard but you better have a ups cause if the power fails the computer is a brick(well the motherboard is)trust me I have done and don't recommend doing it unless you have to |
No, I am talking about cross flashing an IBM branded SAS controller to an LSI OEM controller. You can't hurt your PC doing this, but it's theoretically possible to brick the controller card. I flashed my SAS card six different ways and didn't have any problems. The instructions I linked to provide information on directly wiping the entire EPROM on the board so I really don't think you could totally brick the controller.
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