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CasetheCorvetteman
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The N64 with do 16:9 on some games. Golden Eye has a setting for it.
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the big E
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | The N64 with do 16:9 on some games. Golden Eye has a setting for it. |
I will have to look and see which are capable of 16:9 I know the wii version of goldeneye is 16:9
I guess its time to go through my game collection  I have a lot of older games
I get the projector the 13th (happy day)
I have already got my nes and snes out from storage just have to find my n64 (and all the extra items) to play the classic games(some have been rereleased not all though)
I like that I am getting it before my birthday(may 27) so me and my cousins can have a Mario kart race again(haven't been able to due to the dim bulb in my digital projector as it kills the impact of the large image)
I hope my older games still play some haven't been played in years(in not a decade)so I will be putting some use on the set that's for sure
I was wondering what would be the best setting to prevent or lower the risk of burn in on the older games(I never will leave it on pause with the projector on though) just don't want to toast the tubes
Also does anybody know the size of the fans in the ecps
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Youll be wanting to get an RGB cable for the SNES so youre not using composite. I wouldnt worry about burn in on that projector, it shouldnt be an issue. I have played more games than anything else on both my Sony projectors and both my NECs and never burned anything in yet, if im not burning in on an XG youll be fine on that machine. Pausing wont make any difference, its static images like scores and life bars that will be an issue if anything.
Id say the fans will be 80mm, but im only guessing.
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the big E
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | Youll be wanting to get an RGB cable for the SNES so youre not using composite. I wouldnt worry about burn in on that projector, it shouldnt be an issue. I have played more games than anything else on both my Sony projectors and both my NECs and never burned anything in yet, if im not burning in on an XG youll be fine on that machine. Pausing wont make any difference, its static images like scores and life bars that will be an issue if anything.
Id say the fans will be 80mm, but im only guessing. |
everything will be on the rgb not the composite input(i only use that for certain things) on the projector
i will hook my game systems to my dvd/vcr(via switcher) which upscales them(or any source) to 720p or 1080i the dvd/vcr can do 480i/p also via hdmi(which goes to my a/v recivier then the projector or transcoder in this case)
i will most likely measure them to be sure on the size as i can get a great fan that is only 18.1 dba with a 24.4 cfm and has variable and adjustable rpm (800 min-1600max) but i won't be sure on the size till i see the fan that i am replacing(i am using a fan like this in my current media pc and it is barely audible and works great)if i can swap the fans i wouldn't need a hush box if it is quiet enough
plus i would need to see how many it has(i seen on one forum that has three or four not sure)my media machine has three and is super quiet (quieter then my dip projector which is rated at 28 db)
given that even if i upgrade to a better projector i will keep the ecp because of its modular design(which is better to work on then some i have seen)i am already saving for the next one(and i haven't even taken delivery of this one yet  )
i can provide the link to the fan i am talking about if you want to look at it
on the static images there is a few games that has some stuff(ammo counters, maps) that can't be turned off will this harm the tubes(it does harm a plasma tv big time if played for a long time) curt said it would take 600 hours before it would burn in(not that i want to test that) but i have played games like that on old rear projection tvs before with no burn in(i know a projector is different from a tv) tube burn in risk is the same though most of my older games don't have many static images its the newer ones (gran tursmio 5, goldeneye reloaded(both the wii version and ps3 version))have the static images(eg gauges, track map or ammo counter)
can i lower the contrast or brightness to possibly lower the risk? or set a separate profile(if i can) for games and movies/tv on the settings and use one for games and the other for movies/tv?
the moving stuff on the games isn't a problem its the non moving stuff i am concerned about
looks like me and you have one thing in commen case we are both gamers for sure(thats one reasion my dlp unit needs a new bulb as large screen gaming is addictive but its fun)
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gjaky
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ECPs may have an optional 'orbiter' board which helps to prevent static burn-in.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Yeah that will help more so with lower resolutions though where it can move the image around where the scanlines are, not as much help with high res cause there really isnt much in the way of unused area between scanlines.
I really wouldnt even give burn in a second thought, youll likely never see it happen.
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gjaky
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Also an ECP is not like a G90 where you have to keep in mind the tube prices.
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Id be amazed if youd spend enough time on the same game to burn it in. I play loads og NEO-GEO carts and almost all have CREDIT at the bottom in the same spot in white, its never been an issue.
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the big E
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | Id be amazed if youd spend enough time on the same game to burn it in. I play loads og NEO-GEO carts and almost all have CREDIT at the bottom in the same spot in white, its never been an issue. |
i never thought of the risk of burn in till i loaded the goldeneye reloaded game in my ps3(it reminded me of the close call with the plasma tv in my bedroom(it left a circle where the map is for a week it was faint but i noticed it)
if this should happen(most likely not) what would the tubes run(or would i better getting a second set like this one as a back up)
i had played Mario kart 64 once for 6 hours on a projection tv with no issues(i play a lot less then that now 2-3 hours tops if that) it didn't have no pixel orbiter feature either(but i had properly calibrated it)
i will download the manual and do some reading to see if it has the pixel orbiter feature or not(the aforementioned plasma has it but it didn't help it)
dang case how many hours do you spend on one game??
i do know both my ps3 and nintendo wii have burn in prevention features built in(dims the image) if left on pause or the same image for awhile it dims the screen image(which is great) but my older systems don't have this feature
also i am getting a service manual for the unit(thanks curt)so i can have it while i setup the projector which should be easy for me as i have some experience from owning many crt projection tvs over the years(i calibrated one fully geometry included to reduce overscan wish i still had that tv  as it was a great tv(i had a sony after it which was close in picture quality but it had a failing flyback)
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 6:31 am Post subject: |
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I played Golden Eye and Mario Kart 64 fro days at a time on a rear pro with no issues
Dont expect SD187 tubes to burn as fast as older plasma TVs.
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Just finished 3 hours of Midnight Club L.A. on the RPTV been playing for two weeks 3-7 hours a day no burn in issues. I just turn the Contrast down a bit just in case .
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F*** it, turn it up and let it burn... I never reduced contrast yet. Its amazing really!!
Ive got two rear pros here at the moment that are currently lined up for some arcade Daytona USA, anyone who spent any time on that on the Deluxe cabs knows how badly they ended up burned!! Even the direct view NANAO 29" in the twin cabs got cooked pretty badly by that near constant SEGA logo and LINK SYSTEM text...
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | F*** it, turn it up and let it burn... |
I totally agree, however I use my pj at 55 contrast (where 75 is the default) and G2s are bellow 50 (100 is the max) and the top of that I put massive 500 hours in the machine in the past two years, so don't care of saving the tubes!
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I think my contrast is at 70 on the XG, but the KELVIN settings are all under 30.
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I will calibrate it before I play anything on it of corse but I figure I shouldn't have no worries about the tubes
FYI to those who had projection tvs high contrast is harder on them then some think I got a Sony (it was a wega model) from some guy locally it had a small logo burnt into the tubes and on bright sceanes I could see it so burn in doesn't just affect projectors(I didn't have the set long as the flyback failed(looking back I made a dumb decision getting rid of it)
But I have a samsung crt rptv (in progress of repairing) if it has no burn in and the picture is good I will calibrate it(best I can for its age) and use it when I don't want to use the projectior(only for certain games) but I do have a dlp rptv also(immune to burn in) just have to replace the lamp so many years(got it at a yard sale for 12 bucks and fixed for free by samsung under recall)
I got my VGA to bnc cable today in the mail I won't get the projector till Monday if the tracking is right
I also got one of the cheap converters (to try before I get the HDfury) it also won't be here till Tuesday (I got it cheap so if it craps out I can box it up and send it back)
I haven't been using my dlp projector lately(resist urge to watch movies on big screen) as the lamp is so dim(its killing black details which sucks)
I will be busy converging the set as soon as I get it
Also do I need to do a master reset before I use?(I seen on some other forums that you do)
The plasma tv I mentioned is a Panasonic TC-42PX14 and is fairly new(yet burn in risk is still a factor on these tvs)
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the big E
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | I played Golden Eye and Mario Kart 64 fro days at a time on a rear pro with no issues
Dont expect SD187 tubes to burn as fast as older plasma TVs. |
case i picked up the projector today(i almost didn't think it would fit in the back of my caddie(03 cadillac escalade) but the crate fit  bit of a tighter fit then i thought(but i didn't need to fold my second row seat down which was good)
i had my dad go with me to pick it up we had a time getting it out of the vehicle(i have a pic of it in my vehicle  )
i have got the center converged(using a laptop as a source for now) first impression of the picture was jaw dropping(and i haven't even cailbrated it yet)i am impressed as this my first crt projector (and won't be my last )
curt even sent me a full service manual with the set also(along with a bunch of boards i will need to go through and put in a safe place)
i will say one thing it blows my dip unit out of the water
i thought i would need the acon unit (the set is a ecp 4101) but heck the digital convergence is easier then i thought(used to old analog convergence from owning projection tvs with it nightmare to work with)
i still need to get the position of the projector right(on a table) for the picture to do right(one side is not lining up)yet the picture is perfect on the tube face
i am glad to be able to use a display tech i am used to in a projector
it has one 07ms(blue)the others are sd187(red and green) and a brand i know sony(my av equipment is sony)
i get my transcoder tomorrow(computers video card won't put out any hd resolutions without making the projector fuss(and picture roll)
my first blu ray movie that i will play on the set once i get it fully finished will be avatar
i guess i need to update my profile with all of my equipment now
i doubt my dip projector will see much use from here on out
now deciding on what i may upgrade to in the not so distant future(the marquee or a sony set)
i got this as a early birthday gift for my self(may 27) and couldn't be happier with it
what is the sweet spot for a computer source?(it has two rgb inputs)it also has the video board(needs work as the far left side of the picture looks like pure crap but the rest is ok(not as great as rgb though))
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Ill have to get back to you tomorrow mate, im out of time tonight 
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Glad it is up and running! Keep us posted -- from what Curt said maybe a year ago, I gather there are still a good many ECP owners lurking in the shadows. However, many are no longer users of their ECPs (LOTREE has a 4500 in a closet in newfoundland, for example) and/or aren't active posters...so I'm especially happy to welcome you!
As Curt sold you this, I'm guessing you'll not need to touch hardly anything. Setting toe-in, adjusting center and edge focus, and getting scheimpflug right, etc will probably get you running. Curt probably even has the color very passable out of the box even with no external CMS/11pt greyscale setup, etc. You may want a gammax or gamma boost unless you get something to handle color, lest you suffer black crush.
My chain
most sources -> AVR -> DVDO iScanHD -> hdf3 -> gammaX -> ECP
HTPC -> DVDO iScanHD (analog passthrough)
If you haven't, you might review:
1) Curt's ECP guide. I've attached it as an 11pg pdf for you.
2) Curt's sony ES tube greyscale (ecp notes at bottom)
3) CRT setup guide posted on this site
4) Your ECP 4100 manual.
You'll likely want to do everything you need to do a few times as a quick walk-through. Once you "get" how to iterate and know the machine better, life will be good. I think that is something not pointed out to us noobs enough when we get a new-to-us PJ. That and the do-not-do's -- you sound knowledgeable with tech, but remember there's HV under the hood of these babies.
Oh, if you do a fan mod and find it works, I'd be interested in copy-catting your work. My ECP is quiet-enough I live with it. The screens get dusty from time to time. I think three of the four fans blow in and one blows out, IIRC.
Cheers,
Matt
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| mc86 wrote: | Glad it is up and running! Keep us posted -- from what Curt said maybe a year ago, I gather there are still a good many ECP owners lurking in the shadows. However, many are no longer users of their ECPs (LOTREE has a 4500 in a closet in newfoundland, for example) and/or aren't active posters...so I'm especially happy to welcome you!
As Curt sold you this, I'm guessing you'll not need to touch hardly anything. Setting toe-in, adjusting center and edge focus, and getting scheimpflug right, etc will probably get you running. Curt probably even has the color very passable out of the box even with no external CMS/11pt greyscale setup, etc. You may want a gammax or gamma boost unless you get something to handle color, lest you suffer black crush.
My chain
most sources -> AVR -> DVDO iScanHD -> hdf3 -> gammaX -> ECP
HTPC -> DVDO iScanHD (analog passthrough)
If you haven't, you might review:
1) Curt's ECP guide. I've attached it as an 11pg pdf for you.
2) Curt's sony ES tube greyscale (ecp notes at bottom)
3) CRT setup guide posted on this site
4) Your ECP 4100 manual.
You'll likely want to do everything you need to do a few times as a quick walk-through. Once you "get" how to iterate and know the machine better, life will be good. I think that is something not pointed out to us noobs enough when we get a new-to-us PJ. That and the do-not-do's -- you sound knowledgeable with tech, but remember there's HV under the hood of these babies.
Oh, if you do a fan mod and find it works, I'd be interested in copy-catting your work. My ECP is quiet-enough I live with it. The screens get dusty from time to time. I think three of the four fans blow in and one blows out, IIRC.
Cheers,
Matt |
matt curt gave me a service manual along with the user guide and service seminar booklet along with a few boards for the set(i didn't have to mess with the scheimpflug because of the way i have it setup)
i am not messing with the voltage knobs(curt set those before he shipped the unit)
seting the toe in on the tubes wan't as hard as i thought
the center and edge focus was a bit tricky but not hard
i know some about projection tech from owning many crt projection tvs over the years (and i am going on 25 years old)so i know to respect the high voltage system in these babies(i am currently repairing a samsung crt rear projection hdtv)
i don't know if i will need to replace the fans soon or not as i can hear them over my audio(and i rarely have my sony receiver at 15) its mostly noticeable in the quieter sections of the audio i seen on another forum where a member mentioned cutting the fan grilles out reduced the fan drone(i am going to try that first before i replace the fans)
i think the fans are 80 mm fans(thats 3 inch) i first thought they were 120 mm which is 4 inch fans so when i find a fan that will fit i may do the upgrade provided the grille mod don't help(no one is going to be touching the unit except for the power button anyway)
i am using a hdmi to rgb convertor which works great with the projector
another thing i have planned to do(i will check with curt if it void his chassis warranty or not)is paint the white part of the case black(the white makes the unit look old)
not sure on which unit i will upgrade to if i even do decide to upgrade(this unit is almost overkill for my home theater but i love it)
the only other quirk is the video input card as it has two vertical lines on the left side of the image(both rgb inputs work great)
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Dont forget to re center the blue and red after you adjust their linearity!!
Sorry i didnt get back to you sooner mate i have been working 10-11 hr days almost every day lately.
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