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Brennithechamp
Joined: 19 Apr 2013
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Location: Ottawa ON
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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So I've done some research, and think I'll buy the 708. Mainly because the tubes are more often come by and just because this will be in a smaller room the difference in size. Plus Ben seems like an honest guy.
Before I do though, do you think this will work with the Denon receiver? It will output RCA but I'm not sure if that works for 780p or not. If that doesn't then what kind of adapter will I have to use to go from HDMI to the projector?
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KellenerSptM5
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Brennithechamp wrote: | So I've done some research, and think I'll buy the 708. Mainly because the tubes are more often come by and just because this will be in a smaller room the difference in size. Plus Ben seems like an honest guy.
Before I do though, do you think this will work with the Denon receiver? It will output RCA but I'm not sure if that works for 780p or not. If that doesn't then what kind of adapter will I have to use to go from HDMI to the projector? |
No, it won't work. You'll only get 480i out of the AVR using composite connections. You will need something like a HDFury or a scaler to output your video signals to the projector.
Honestly, if I were you, I wouldn't buy a CRT at this point, especially if you are moving to a dorm room. CRTs are big, bulky and loud, you would be much better off getting a little 720 DLP and feeding it HDMI from your AVR.
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gjaky
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| KellenerSptM5 wrote: | | Honestly, if I were you, I wouldn't buy a CRT at this point, especially if you are moving to a dorm room. CRTs are big, bulky and loud, you would be much better off getting a little 720 DLP and feeding it HDMI from your AVR. |
Poor guy has just registered to the world's biggest CRT Projector forum, and you just dissuade, so actually why is this forum? 
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Curt Palme
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Really Kellener...
Seems like there's been a number of newbie CRTers here in the last few months.
brenni, read that FAQ. It explains all about signals and switchers, etc....
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KellenerSptM5
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Curt Palme wrote: | Really Kellener...
Seems like there's been a number of newbie CRTers here in the last few months.
brenni, read that FAQ. It explains all about signals and switchers, etc.... |
Seems dumb not to be honest with the kid. He's going to college, living in a dorm room and you guys are suggesting he gets the CRT over a DLP? Really?
Additionally, he has a very low end AVR with no outputs other than HDMI, S-Video and Component.
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Curt Palme
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Well, a $200 CRT can last a few more years. Not so most likely with a $200 used DLP for one.
There's PLENTY of info here and on the main site on checking to make sure he's getting a good deal. So really, who is BSing who here?
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KellenerSptM5
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Curt Palme wrote: | Well, a $200 CRT can last a few more years. Not so most likely with a $200 used DLP for one.
There's PLENTY of info here and on the main site on checking to make sure he's getting a good deal. So really, who is BSing who here? |
Yet, you ignore the most important part of what he has said, "The projector will be going in my Dorm room." Now, when I was in college, space was at a premium and there was absolutely no way I could have placed a CRT projector in any of the dorm rooms I stayed in. Hence the suggestion for a simple, small, cheap DLP while the kid is in college.
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gjaky
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| KellenerSptM5 wrote: | | Curt Palme wrote: | Well, a $200 CRT can last a few more years. Not so most likely with a $200 used DLP for one.
There's PLENTY of info here and on the main site on checking to make sure he's getting a good deal. So really, who is BSing who here? |
Yet, you ignore the most important part of what he has said, "The projector will be going in my Dorm room." Now, when I was in college, space was at a premium and there was absolutely no way I could have placed a CRT projector in any of the dorm rooms I stayed in. Hence the suggestion for a simple, small, cheap DLP while the kid is in college. |
He will look at that 708 and he could decide if he really wants it, I think.
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| gjaky wrote: | | Poor guy has just registered to the world's biggest CRT Projector forum, and you just dissuade, so actually why is this forum? |
Presumably, he came here asking for honest advice, not just to be sold on CRT projectors, which is clearly a misguided motivation for some here.
Sorry, Curt... This may be a CRT forum, but again, the OP came here looking for advice, not CRT cheerleaders. He should get honest, objective, feedback, not 'rah, rah, rah'. As in every other CRT vs. digital discussion, each has pluses and minuses, and I see no problem being honest with the OP about both. You have your opinions, others have theirs.
I tend to agree with Kellener, but I can actually see positives and negatives on both sides.
On one hand, even a Barco 708 is big, heavy, and probably not that conducive to a dorm room. Unless the dorm room is a lot bigger than I remember where the hell do you put it? Worse, in addition to whatever the projector costs, he's going to need a Moome box or HD Fury to convert HDMI from his Denon to analog for the projector. So, there's the size/weight/space and the signal interface issue as negatives.
On the CRT plus side, you can let the thing run as long as you want. 10 hours a day? No problem. The electricity is free, and there's no lamp to replace. It's relatively bulletproof. So, those are the CRT pluses and minuses.
On the digital side, it's small. He can throw it in a drawer or cabinet, and take it out only when he wants to use it. I know when I was in college, the lure of video games and projection would have over-ridden my studies too often if it had just been sitting there. If I'd had one, I'd have had to lock myself out of it Monday through Thursday or something. So, he can put it away to prevent damage or temptation, yet be able to get it out and set it up in 60 seconds. If he moves, he puts it in a cardboard file box and carries it out with clothes and books instead of getting a friend and a dolly to help him. Oh, and a halfway recent digital will have an HDMI input, so no additional cost to hook it up.
On the negative side, there's the lamp, not as nice of a picture, and possibly longevity.
There, now the OP has some things to think about, he's heard the pluses and minuses from all the angles, and he can make the decision himself.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Oh... So he is going to use it at college? Should really be going for a G90 then so no one walks in and steals it...
I dont recall him asking questions about size or space required, he asked how it will look and how it compares to a DLP "picture wise". No good assuming he doesnt have the space, cause he didnt ask about that, and that isnt our problem.
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I'm not a 4:3 type of person really. at 1680x1050 was a bit soft on my XG when I did use it. Besides 768p works wonders on the XG, the lettering on a PC signal is damn near razor sharp with only the faintest of soft edges (probably the haloing effect with AC lenses) |
You need to work on your focusing skills and your astigmatism, there is no reason 1680x1050 cant be just as razor sharp on an XG!!
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TheVerge
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Brennithechamp wrote: | | Do you think the tube wear will be a big issue? It says 4500 hours use, how much are they rated for? Also states isn't an option unfortunately just cause the border is a big hassle, although shipping might work! |
Xg in a dorm room? I don't think you will like it, you will want the smallest quietest projector you can find.
Also video won't go from that reciever without extra equipment.
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Curt Palme
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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THere are indeed valid points on both sides. I'd ASSUME though that anyone putting any projector into any room is going to do some research on both projector size and throw distance. Keep in mind that many low end digitals have a far longer throw distance than a CRT, so while the projector will be smaller, what's the point of a tiny non HT sized image in any room?
Again, do the research, Brenni, and ignore our infighting here. 
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Infighting? Come on now Curt, we havent even started yet!! 
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Brennithechamp
Joined: 19 Apr 2013
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Location: Ottawa ON
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| KellenerSptM5 wrote: |
No, it won't work. You'll only get 480i out of the AVR using composite connections. You will need something like a HDFury or a scaler to output your video signals to the projector.
Honestly, if I were you, I wouldn't buy a CRT at this point, especially if you are moving to a dorm room. CRTs are big, bulky and loud, you would be much better off getting a little 720 DLP and feeding it HDMI from your AVR. |
Oh, I never realized I was gonna need another "big" piece of equipment. I think this might be another issue as money is pretty tight and and that'll require another month or two of saving! Is there a less expensive way to convert from HDMI? Just because that could be a big push to either wait another month or two or get a cheap digital projector for the time being.
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | I dont recall him asking questions about size or space required, he asked how it will look and how it compares to a DLP "picture wise".
No good assuming he doesnt have the space, cause he didnt ask about that, and that isnt our problem. |
It's not our problem? Well, then neither is anything else like whether he needs any additional equipment or how loud or hot it might be. Got it. Only answer the questions that are asked, and offer no additional information. Didn't know that was how the forum worked. Good to know.
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Curt Palme
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You can always run component out to the 708, as it will accept a component signal at 480i, 480p, 1080i or 720p. No, there's nothing cheaper than $250ish to convert HDMI to RGBHV unless you find a used Fury online somewhere.
READ THAT FAQ! It will answer a bunch of questions.
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Brennithechamp
Joined: 19 Apr 2013
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| Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| Curt Palme wrote: | You can always run component out to the 708, as it will accept a component signal at 480i, 480p, 1080i or 720p. No, there's nothing cheaper than $250ish to convert HDMI to RGBHV unless you find a used Fury online somewhere.
READ THAT FAQ! It will answer a bunch of questions. |
I read it! I swear!!
I think that given the extra price there, I have a lot to consider. Especially given that this is going from a $200 adventure to a $500+ adventure, it's really starting to feel like this might not be the time for a CRT setup (although I would love one eventually!) I'm just gona have to take time and consider my options!
Thanks to everyone for the advice! Especially Curt Palme and eecrab!
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| ecrabb wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | I dont recall him asking questions about size or space required, he asked how it will look and how it compares to a DLP "picture wise".
No good assuming he doesnt have the space, cause he didnt ask about that, and that isnt our problem. |
It's not our problem? Well, then neither is anything else like whether he needs any additional equipment or how loud or hot it might be. Got it. Only answer the questions that are asked, and offer no additional information. Didn't know that was how the forum worked. Good to know.
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You must be one of the most up tight people on here i reckon!!! Stop taking life ( and especially the internet ) so seriously buddy, no one gets out alive. Its ok for you to have abit of a joke every now and then! You seem to take everything i say as so literal. Roll your eyes all ya like mate 
Its quite obvious if he reads the FAQ he will know all that stuff about the pros and cons, its all in there and plain to see.
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phillyguy83
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Before you make any decisions, I would measure your dorm room to see if you can even fit the projector -- any projector -- in the space that you'll have. They take up a lot more space than you might imagine. Unless you are going to a school that has dorm rooms the size of large living rooms, I'm not sure you'll be able to fit a projector -- CRT or digital -- in amongst all the other stuff you'll have.
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