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SEOS 919 aka Barco 909 SP
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gjaky



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Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:38 am    Post subject:

That seems to be a H-linearity issue then.

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ElTopo



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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:00 pm    Post subject:

Any screenshots where the 919 is in action ?

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Francisco



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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:45 pm    Post subject:

I'll post pictures soon. Found out that some of distortion of red and blue reported earlier were due to temperature problems.
After putting a ventilator on top of the boards unit (split pack) blowing the hot air away and allowing cool fresh air in, all stayed stable.
1080p@60 is the first finished resolution what would "you" suggest to convergence more?
1080p@72 ?
etc.
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:15 am    Post subject:

800p@72Hz or 96Hz
817p@72Hz or 96Hz
720p@120Hz for 3D as it is of interest ?


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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:58 am    Post subject:

I will have to have a read through this thread abit later on.

Id be interested to know if you get the same flickering lines and shimmering i get on my CineMAX.
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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:02 am    Post subject:

I ran the CRT Run In for about 2 hours last night, and i must say the tubes squeal and buzz alot less now...
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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:28 am    Post subject:

Francisco wrote:
Will try this Curt.
Yesterday I did convergence and even after 2 hours the problem of tremulous letters didn't show anymore and all was fine hmm strange.
What I did noticed is that the center of the image is still, and the sides left en right move a bit, very slightly thow. It's like the whole image is squeezing in/out 1 or 2 mm

My CineMAX does something simular, the image seems to shimmer around abit, and moving bright objects cause very slight expansion like blooming ( something you just dont see on an NEC )
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Francisco



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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:45 am    Post subject:

Tanks ElTopo will setup these ratio's.

@Case: I would say stop comparing it with a Nec. Start looking at it individual, because even all P19LUG's are not the same. One tube isn't the other. The CineMax or Cine9 as the 909 - 919 are definitely very high end projectors and should preform flawless, but it needs attention.
I must also read trough all service bulletins to see if all modifications are done. Take your time and take it step by step, at the end you'll have a marvelous machine which beats all your previous owned projectors blows you away and tweaked by yourself. How cool is that? It's not plug and play but that's the charm of CRT.
Sometimes it's simple, like the shimmering lines was caused due to overheating, 33 celsius in a small attic made the pj too hot. A € 15,- fan placed on top of pj and a open window was the solution Wink

If you need all service bulletins and board specifications please let me know I'll be happy to send them by email. Just shoot me a PM.
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gjaky



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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:35 am    Post subject:

Francisco, I know the 909 is the holy grail of the CRT, but I feel the 909 owners here sitting on clouds sometimes. Case is the first, who dared to highlight the technical weaknesses of the 909, and I think it's good, and helpful for other who doesn't have a 909 (or its derivate). While the 909 probably a very good projector, but hardly can say it beats every other brand/type in every aspect. The NEC XG also a highly advanced machine regarding the electronics, it just have (unfortunately) smaller tubes than the "big ones". But it could be more stable, more reliable (I'm not saying it IS, but COULD) You say all LUGs are individuals, the other tubes aren't?
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:22 am    Post subject:

Its all true Gabór, the image quality blows the XG away, but its all for nothing if its not perfect, and as it is, its not perfect.

If it wasnt for that, it would be the machine i always dreamed it would be for the past 12 years since i first read about it. Everything said about it in that review made me know then i had to have one, and now that i do, im extremely happy that i made it, but the journey is not complete.

I never knew anything of the NEC projectors prior to my time here, but given my time with them and others, i still believe they are probably the best built machines not only for their time for each model, but for their exceptional quailty, near perfect engineering and flawless convergence system, resulting in stability so good you almost never have to touch it. If the XG was able to be had with P19LUG tubes, i have little doubt that stock for stock, the XG would be unbeatable. It allready is in the 8" relm.

Francisco, ive had the CineMAX running on 1920x1080p for the past 2 hours, its reporting 31°c, and it does the same things when its first turned on. Voltages are reported a fair way off their ratings, no idea if that is common or not, but everything i have noted as irregular about this machine is listed on the Eisemann mods site, so its not just me or my machine that suffer from this.

I sould would love to see it perfected Smile
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ElTopo



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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:32 pm    Post subject:

Startup temp should be about 20 degrees depends on your temp in your room of course.
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:26 pm    Post subject:

Startup temp is always the same as room temp here, after 10 minutes its at about 25-27°c depending on the weather, after 20 minutes it never climbs any more.
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CIR Engineering



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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:39 pm    Post subject:

Francisco wrote:
I'll post pictures soon. Found out that some of distortion of red and blue reported earlier were due to temperature problems.
After putting a ventilator on top of the boards unit (split pack) blowing the hot air away and allowing cool fresh air in, all stayed stable.
1080p@60 is the first finished resolution what would "you" suggest to convergence more?
1080p@72 ?
etc.


ElTopo wrote:
800p@72Hz or 96Hz
817p@72Hz or 96Hz
720p@120Hz for 3D as it is of interest ?


ElTopo


Yeah, I would setup 1080p 72Hz and 818x1920p 72Hz for sure. I wouldn't bother doing 818p and 800p as you can just use the 818p for both. Lots of work for really zero gain in doing both.

Being in Europe, you probably need 1080p 50Hz or better would be 1080p 75Hz for satellite.

If you are into 3D than I would suggest 720p 96Hz for BD over 120Hz. 120Hz is only good for 60Hz 3D sources and that is almost only in the USA for cable and satellite. In Europe you could setup 720p 100Hz for cable and satellite 3D.

The only 60Hz 3D BD's that I have seen are the FIFA World Cup disc, and a couple of the manufacturer's demo discs.

I only ever use 720p 96Hz in my setup because I only watch 3D on BD.

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ElTopo



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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:51 pm    Post subject:

I only use the pre-set resolutions inside the Lumagen VP these are working perfect.
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:54 pm    Post subject:

Pictures ! note that it still needs tweaking, I'm not finished yet!
















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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:20 pm    Post subject:

Nice.

What screen width do you have ?

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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:25 am    Post subject:

Are you seeing that flicker on tge bright scenes too? Or is it something else i see in that folder pic?
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:00 am    Post subject:

I never seen anyone post 1080P 72hz 1:1 pixelresolution pattern from a Barco before, would be nice to see how it handle that when you finish tweaking. Thumbs Up
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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:53 am    Post subject:

I am not sure youll a stock machine to do it...
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:06 am    Post subject:

CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
I am not sure youll a stock machine to do it...


Both G90 and Marquee 9500LC Ultra can resolve it pretty ok from stock, so i guess the Worlds best CRT must do it even better.?

Higher bandwidth better tubes and lenses right.?
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