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Curt Palme
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You're effing kidding me!!!! I would have never guessed that in a million years, go figure.
What's strange is that there was indeed a problem on his card, I tested it again before I sent out that second CLM. THe IR would not work on it, just like he'd complained about originally. So I sent another spare one I had. Sheesh! Good one to know though!
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flipdog
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What's strange is that there was indeed a problem on his card, I tested it again before I sent out that second CLM. THe IR would not work on it, just like he'd complained about originally. So I sent another spare one I had. Sheesh! Good one to know though! |
Yeah, I'm not getting this part either. And I find it also hard to believe the moome card damaged the CLM. Unless the CPU turned off the ir and then failed to turn it back on after the fault was removed.
Does MP have any info on how to force back on the ir control of the part turning it off?
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Nashou66
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| Curt Palme wrote: | You're effing kidding me!!!! I would have never guessed that in a million years, go figure.
What's strange is that there was indeed a problem on his card, I tested it again before I sent out that second CLM. THe IR would not work on it, just like he'd complained about originally. So I sent another spare one I had. Sheesh! Good one to know though! |
Maybe the moome IR sent the Garbage data and corrupted the ROM memory in His CLM.
Still a strange issue, well lets see what happens , I'm still skeptical.
Nashou
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Curt Palme
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All that you can do is select the frequency of the IR. I checked that, and it was fine.
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CIR Engineering
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WOW!
So did you replace the Moome card, or is Jeff still running with the old one for now?
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Tim in Phoenix
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Wow
It's jamming the data bus, kind of like the "snap" problem caused by noise off the HDM.
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mp20748
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | WOW!
So did you replace the Moome card, or is Jeff still running with the old one for now?
craigr |
I pulled it out and twisted the board, switched the jumpers around and put it back in. It's still working, but the Moome card is still defective. He knows when it happens again to remove it and put it back in. It's most likely a loose ground of shield problem on the moome.
I'm sending him one to swap (he'll return his to me), and take care of getting his card taking care of on my end. I'll get in touch with Moome. It may even be a simple fix once I get it here.
When I was trying to walk Jeff through some things to try out, I kept asking him if he saw any noise on the screen and he
kept saying no. So being there, I looked for myself and there it was. The little dancing dots in the test pattern.
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mp20748
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| Tim in Phoenix wrote: | Wow
It's jamming the data bus, kind of like the "snap" problem caused by noise off the HDM.
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yep
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CIR Engineering
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Hey Mike,
When I want to talk to you about the gamma setting and contrast setting with the set screws that I did on Jeff's board before you send him a replacement. I think we can get his new card to match the old one pretty well.
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| flipdog wrote: | | Curt Palme wrote: |
What's strange is that there was indeed a problem on his card, I tested it again before I sent out that second CLM. THe IR would not work on it, just like he'd complained about originally. So I sent another spare one I had. Sheesh! Good one to know though! |
Yeah, I'm not getting this part either. And I find it also hard to believe the moome card damaged the CLM. Unless the CPU turned off the ir and then failed to turn it back on after the fault was removed.
Does MP have any info on how to force back on the ir control of the part turning it off? |
The Moome card did not damage the CLM, it shut down the CPU control bus. that is a built in feature on most CPU's to protect them from operating from random or otherwise not a part of it's programming data.
The IR was not involved in any of this, because if you look back over the thread, the set was able to turn on and off using the wireless remote. So the IR part of things was never a problem. We were looking into the IR, because it has at times received data that was not wanted, and also caused a shut down of the BUS.
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flipdog
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| mp20748 wrote: | | flipdog wrote: | | Curt Palme wrote: |
What's strange is that there was indeed a problem on his card, I tested it again before I sent out that second CLM. THe IR would not work on it, just like he'd complained about originally. So I sent another spare one I had. Sheesh! Good one to know though! |
Yeah, I'm not getting this part either. And I find it also hard to believe the moome card damaged the CLM. Unless the CPU turned off the ir and then failed to turn it back on after the fault was removed.
Does MP have any info on how to force back on the ir control of the part turning it off? |
The Moome card did not damage the CLM, it shut down the CPU control bus. that is a built in feature on most CPU's to protect them from operating from random or otherwise not a part of it's programming data.
The IR was not involved in any of this, because if you look back over the thread, the set was able to turn on and off using the wireless remote. So the IR part of things was never a problem. We were looking into the IR, because it has at times received data that was not wanted, and also caused a shut down of the BUS. |
Mike. Think about what I posted a little more and not be so specific about what I wrote. Just replace ir with control functions if you like.
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Curt Palme
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To add to the confusion, there still was an issue with the IR control on the customer's original CLM. I tried it here again last week. Wired remote worked fine, wireless.. nada. Not even a red LED flicker on the CLM. Swap out CLMs, and a different one works fine in my test chassis.
Oh, and I don't use a Moome card here in my test set.
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Nashou66
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| Curt Palme wrote: | To add to the confusion, there still was an issue with the IR control on the customer's original CLM. I tried it here again last week. Wired remote worked fine, wireless.. nada. Not even a red LED flicker on the CLM. Swap out CLMs, and a different one works fine in my test chassis.
Oh, and I don't use a Moome card here in my test set. |
That is why I am skeptical it is in fact the Moome Card. You have to keep a vigilant account of every KEYPAD press, Every adjustment etc and document them to find out what might be causing the issue.
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draganm
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Does anyone remember that VDC CLM with the sheet-metal shield on top of it? Like a Faraday cage. They must have done that for a reason. There's nothing above the CLM but the plastic shield strip and half of the Mobo, which has it's own ground plane but ..........
I'm still hearing from people who get remote control failures along with this noise , even one after all the chips have been cleaned and reseated.
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