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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | "See thats exatly why its so scary that someone like you try to explain a experient CRT user what to do, and evaluate CRT performance. "
For all to know I DO NOT ADJUST CRT now that was a long time ago, and if I had a crt now in 2013 I will PAY the best to do it 100% perfect and do every possible mod. Even if he lived in the US I get that guy..
I only check projectors when a calibrator has done the job perfect with all. I start,, Or if someone clams that they have a better projector than something.
That's also what I said to mr Stridsvognen, make your projector 110% Then I take the trip and compare Side by side. If someone messed up the picture on projector A I do not care. Then its a loss. I also thought that the Sony HW50 was goanna win over the New JVC x500 But the JVC was better. If not much, but better.
So I hope this is perfectly clear for everyone...... |
So you not having the skill and experience to adjust and calibrate CRT, projectors in general, how is it you insist evaluating stuff you dont know about.?
Why don't you leave that to the calibrator commenting on performance parameters, and linking it to different adjustments.?
Why don't you just watch movies on your favorite projector when you don't even care to understand how its all working.? |
So you not having the skill and experience to adjust and calibrate CRT, projectors in general, how is it you insist evaluating stuff you don't know about.?
Lets put it the other way why do people claim that something is better when its far from that.
Just so some CRT guys think that CRT is still KING, or to sell more, try to keep CRT for some years more.
Why don't you leave that to the calibrator commenting on performance parameters, and linking it to different adjustments.?
He get played to say what I like to hear, and what you get on screen is more important than test patterns and measurements. Its not difficult to se what is best. And I am never alone so I get more information than I see, also maybe with a calibrator present.
Since I have to answer many questions to you can you answer mine.
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Where and who claimed CRT are better, or KING.. ? where did that come from all of a sudden.. Thought we were having a CRT tech discusion here.? What did i miss.?
Im sure im picking on your skills to evaluate if and how a CRT performs.!
What questions you like me to ansver.. ? |
Like you told me before you have to follow up hehe |
What i read and understand is that you think you can evaluate resolution and colors without the help of test pattern and measurements, but you can define whats going on in a picture by watching movie material.. That a very nice skill.. That i still dont have. |
Remember mr Stridsvognen its calibrated up to correct, do you think a calibrator with the equipment of the price of a new car or a house do not get a perfect color, greyscale and picture? Even on a HW55 or a JVC Then I talk about HI end projectors. Do you think you can get it better by trying yourselves? YES or NO
The questions is very basic to what you see when you watch movies.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | Stridsvognen I ask you again
But still do you agree with me about this?
CRT still king or Crt better than Sony 4k? Do you like to be on bull**** treads?
Why not start a forum that do not involve Digital.?
Then what I mean is this and the other bull**** that Greg started.
Agree or not agree.....nothing more. |
I never comented on the SONY 4K overall performance.. Cant, have not seen it.. As well as you cant coment on different performance on forum members 9" CRT machines without seeing it.
What we do know that if we dont like scaling, and scaling artifacts, we are better off with a good CRT or a native 1080P digital projector.
Im quite sure ill still prefer the CRT performance over the SONY 4K. but not from a moddet 8" CRT with HD 144 lenses. |
Goes in and out.....,
I have seen you have not.
And maybe 5 times YOU CANT SEE SCALING ARTIFACTS IN MOVIE...
But yes or no to my question.
Agree or not agree.....nothing more
problem with that.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Remember mr Stridsvognen its calibrated up to correct, do you think a calibrator with the equipment of the price of a new car or a house do not get a perfect color, greyscale and picture? Even on a HW55 or a JVC Then I talk about HI end projectors. Do you think you can get it better by trying yourselves? YES or NO
The questions is very basic to what you see when you watch movies. |
So you think a display is perfect when calibrated by a pro calibrator with expensive software and probes.?
Suddently all limitations to a specifik type of display disapear.
What projector have the best native response curves.?
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: |
Remember mr Stridsvognen its calibrated up to correct, do you think a calibrator with the equipment of the price of a new car or a house do not get a perfect color, greyscale and picture? Even on a HW55 or a JVC Then I talk about HI end projectors. Do you think you can get it better by trying yourselves? YES or NO
The questions is very basic to what you see when you watch movies. |
So you think a display is perfect when calibrated by a pro calibrator with expensive software and probes.?
Suddently all limitations to a specifik type of display disapear.
What projector have the best native response curves.? |
Oh my god again.
You have so little experienced and I also have that specially on CRT.
And you think you are a Guru.. Answer my question...
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | Stridsvognen I ask you again
But still do you agree with me about this?
CRT still king or Crt better than Sony 4k? Do you like to be on bull**** treads?
Why not start a forum that do not involve Digital.?
Then what I mean is this and the other bull**** that Greg started.
Agree or not agree.....nothing more. |
I never comented on the SONY 4K overall performance.. Cant, have not seen it.. As well as you cant coment on different performance on forum members 9" CRT machines without seeing it.
What we do know that if we dont like scaling, and scaling artifacts, we are better off with a good CRT or a native 1080P digital projector.
Im quite sure ill still prefer the CRT performance over the SONY 4K. but not from a moddet 8" CRT with HD 144 lenses. |
Yes or NO |
You are bull yes.. Your the moron that posted the shots of a compleetly messed up 8" CRT with darbee, and calibrated by another moron. Your pro calibrator maybe. And try display how bad CRT are compared to a new SONY..
And a huge idiot dident even manege to document what went on using some simple test patterns documenting bandwidth and grayscale performance, and other artifacts created from the source.
The Idiot just trusted the calibrator douing it perfectly, the best posible.
Where its clear that a 10 year old child would do a better gray scale calibration with closed eyes, and spot the darbee and remove it.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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What projector have the best native response curves.?
I think you mean this in another term
Answer a CRT has the best motion resolution of all types today.
And in movie 24,48, 50, 60 frames that wont do much. Fact....
But still CRT Best if you go Test. Simulator use....
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | What projector have the best native response curves.?
I think you mean this in another term
Answer a CRT has the best motion resolution of all types today.
And in movie 24,48, 50, 60 frames that wont do much. Fact....
But still CRT Best if you go Test. Simulator use.... |
I ment gamma response/ grayscale tracking... Non digital manipulated.. Or panel response.
Everybodu can add a processor and corect the response curve, but who will be most corect with no corection at all.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | Stridsvognen I ask you again
But still do you agree with me about this?
CRT still king or Crt better than Sony 4k? Do you like to be on bull**** treads?
Why not start a forum that do not involve Digital.?
Then what I mean is this and the other bull**** that Greg started.
Agree or not agree.....nothing more. |
I never comented on the SONY 4K overall performance.. Cant, have not seen it.. As well as you cant coment on different performance on forum members 9" CRT machines without seeing it.
What we do know that if we dont like scaling, and scaling artifacts, we are better off with a good CRT or a native 1080P digital projector.
Im quite sure ill still prefer the CRT performance over the SONY 4K. but not from a moddet 8" CRT with HD 144 lenses. |
Yes or NO |
You are bull yes.. Your the moron that posted the shots of a compleetly messed up 8" CRT with darbee, and calibrated by another moron. Your pro calibrator maybe. And try display how bad CRT are compared to a new SONY..
And a huge idiot dident even manege to document what went on using some simple test patterns documenting bandwidth and grayscale performance, and other artifacts created from the source.
The Idiot just trusted the calibrator douing it perfectly, the best posible.
Where its clear that a 10 year old child would do a better gray scale calibration with closed eyes, and spot the darbee and remove it. |
So you are copying me now just added some year hehe
You are bull yes.. Your the moron that posted the shots of a compleetly messed up 8" CRT with darbee, and calibrated by another moron. Your pro calibrator maybe. And try display how bad CRT are compared to a new SONY..
Thanks you made my day hehe
And a huge idiot dident even manege to document what went on using some simple test patterns documenting bandwidth and grayscale performance, and other artifacts created from the source.
Answer You have some problem reading? What did I say just some time ago but to ........ huum???
Do this have something to do with my projector???
Keep up the good work.
You really made me smile here now
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | What projector have the best native response curves.?
I think you mean this in another term
Answer a CRT has the best motion resolution of all types today.
And in movie 24,48, 50, 60 frames that wont do much. Fact....
But still CRT Best if you go Test. Simulator use.... |
I ment gamma response/ grayscale tracking... Non digital manipulated.. Or panel response.
Everybodu can add a processor and corect the response curve, but who will be most corect with no corection at all. |
Do not need to worry about that watch movies.. As long as it looks better tested. If the answer is yes I am oky with that.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | Stridsvognen I ask you again
But still do you agree with me about this?
CRT still king or Crt better than Sony 4k? Do you like to be on bull**** treads?
Why not start a forum that do not involve Digital.?
Then what I mean is this and the other bull**** that Greg started.
Agree or not agree.....nothing more. |
I never comented on the SONY 4K overall performance.. Cant, have not seen it.. As well as you cant coment on different performance on forum members 9" CRT machines without seeing it.
What we do know that if we dont like scaling, and scaling artifacts, we are better off with a good CRT or a native 1080P digital projector.
Im quite sure ill still prefer the CRT performance over the SONY 4K. but not from a moddet 8" CRT with HD 144 lenses. |
Yes or NO |
You are bull yes.. Your the moron that posted the shots of a compleetly messed up 8" CRT with darbee, and calibrated by another moron. Your pro calibrator maybe. And try display how bad CRT are compared to a new SONY..
And a huge idiot dident even manege to document what went on using some simple test patterns documenting bandwidth and grayscale performance, and other artifacts created from the source.
The Idiot just trusted the calibrator douing it perfectly, the best posible.
Where its clear that a 10 year old child would do a better gray scale calibration with closed eyes, and spot the darbee and remove it. |
So you are copying me now just added some year hehe
You are bull yes.. Your the moron that posted the shots of a compleetly messed up 8" CRT with darbee, and calibrated by another moron. Your pro calibrator maybe. And try display how bad CRT are compared to a new SONY..
Thanks you made my day hehe
And a huge idiot dident even manege to document what went on using some simple test patterns documenting bandwidth and grayscale performance, and other artifacts created from the source.
Answer You have some problem reading? What did I say just some time ago but to ........ huum???
Do this have something to do with my projector???
Keep up the good work.
You really made me smile here now |
It seems more and more like your the problem, not Greg.. He might be right, he just failed to document.. You try to shoot him down.. But with no usable documentation.. For all we know you and your friend are playing with a standard barco 808 trying to stick your limited skills at setting it up on Greg.
Or its possible his mods end up in the wrong hands of someone turning them upside down.. blaming him..!!
14 days ago u had no clue what what to use the 1:1 pixel pattern or the SMPTE pattern for.
You dident even had a clue what the resolution was on a blu ray disc.
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Diddern
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Stridsvognen I ask you again
But still do you agree with me about this?
CRT still king or Crt better than Sony 4k? Do you like to be on bull**** treads?
Why not start a forum that do not involve Digital.?
Then what I mean is this and the other bull**** that Greg started.
Agree or not agree.....nothing more.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | Stridsvognen I ask you again
But still do you agree with me about this?
CRT still king or Crt better than Sony 4k? Do you like to be on bull**** treads?
Why not start a forum that do not involve Digital.?
Then what I mean is this and the other bull**** that Greg started.
Agree or not agree.....nothing more. |
I have changed my mind.. I think Greg is right.. And some idiots dont know how to use his mods.
I think a real 909 will eat the SONY for breakfast.. But you were not able to tell the difference on a 808 and a 909, so u caled a 808 for a 909. Untill someone knowing about the Barco asked why there was a 808 with HD 144 on the pictures.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | Stridsvognen I ask you again
But still do you agree with me about this?
CRT still king or Crt better than Sony 4k? Do you like to be on bull**** treads?
Why not start a forum that do not involve Digital.?
Then what I mean is this and the other bull**** that Greg started.
Agree or not agree.....nothing more. |
I never comented on the SONY 4K overall performance.. Cant, have not seen it.. As well as you cant coment on different performance on forum members 9" CRT machines without seeing it.
What we do know that if we dont like scaling, and scaling artifacts, we are better off with a good CRT or a native 1080P digital projector.
Im quite sure ill still prefer the CRT performance over the SONY 4K. but not from a moddet 8" CRT with HD 144 lenses. |
Yes or NO |
You are bull yes.. Your the moron that posted the shots of a compleetly messed up 8" CRT with darbee, and calibrated by another moron. Your pro calibrator maybe. And try display how bad CRT are compared to a new SONY..
And a huge idiot dident even manege to document what went on using some simple test patterns documenting bandwidth and grayscale performance, and other artifacts created from the source.
The Idiot just trusted the calibrator douing it perfectly, the best posible.
Where its clear that a 10 year old child would do a better gray scale calibration with closed eyes, and spot the darbee and remove it. |
So you are copying me now just added some year hehe
You are bull yes.. Your the moron that posted the shots of a compleetly messed up 8" CRT with darbee, and calibrated by another moron. Your pro calibrator maybe. And try display how bad CRT are compared to a new SONY..
Thanks you made my day hehe
And a huge idiot dident even manege to document what went on using some simple test patterns documenting bandwidth and grayscale performance, and other artifacts created from the source.
Answer You have some problem reading? What did I say just some time ago but to ........ huum???
Do this have something to do with my projector???
Keep up the good work.
You really made me smile here now |
It seems more and more like your the problem, not Greg.. He might be right, he just failed to document.. You try to shoot him down.. But with no usable documentation.. For all we know you and your friend are playing with a standard barco 808 trying to stick your limited skills at setting it up on Greg.
Or its possible his mods end up in the wrong hands of someone turning them upside down.. blaming him..!!
14 days ago u had no clue what what to use the 1:1 pixel pattern or the SMPTE pattern for.
You dident even had a clue what the resolution was on a blu ray disc. |
Ohh you hurt me there.. ohhhhhh
So then question and yes or no, but you have a problem with that I forgot, you ignore and twist.
I do not talk about 808 that was destroyed in many parts that time. Now its up and running.
So if your answer is NO please write it down so I can take a picture and have it with me every time I get sad
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | Stridsvognen I ask you again
But still do you agree with me about this?
CRT still king or Crt better than Sony 4k? Do you like to be on bull**** treads?
Why not start a forum that do not involve Digital.?
Then what I mean is this and the other bull**** that Greg started.
Agree or not agree.....nothing more. |
I have changed my mind.. I think Greg is right.. And some idiots dont know how to use his mods.
I think a real 909 will eat the SONY for breakfast.. But you were not able to tell the difference on a 808 and a 909, so u caled a 808 for a 909. Untill someone knowing about the Barco asked why there was a 808 with HD 144 on the pictures. |
Thank you
Can you be Santa clause for my kids this year I pay you good?
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Can you be Santa clause for my kids this year I pay you good?
Because you will make impossible wishes come true
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stridsvognen
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Lets try and understand what this is all about.. Why is thes specifik pictures selected, and are they true to the original picture taken.?
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Diddern
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Lets try and understand what this is all about.. Why is thes specifik pictures selected, and are they true to the original picture taken.? |
Ooooh mr santa.
This is just for show and not to you personally.
But as you know all pictures are taken form different cameras, and resolution is also different. so cant be used to see who is the best.
And 100% not steady on the 808 phone cam.
I got a god indication about the scanlines from the 909.
This for sharpness I wanted to see how good you can see the lines on the 909, so I have something to get an idea how a 909
That in your statement is the best in the world.
If someone like to compete with a HW55 do this with a crt like the pic I post now.
Crt tested up with a digital finished for me end of story not a match.
If you like to prove something start now and make your crt finished til I come. The CRT guys here from Norway also like to say HI. And help you to get a better picture. Maybe they do maybe they don't. Depends how good you are. If you are that good you say you are then they will rest in peace.
Merry Christmas, thinking about my offer??? Because you really do try make the impossible look like true..
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Diddern
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The picture of the 808 is a bad mobile picture. I take a personal one so you can see. As comparing the 808 and the 909 the 909 is much better in all.. from that pic yes. But I know that is a bad pic, but very god for a 808, have anyone a original 808 and try this out?
And remember this text is f*cking small.
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stridsvognen
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you fail to ansver.. Is the pictures you clip out true to the original picture, or is there some addet distortion sharpness or other thing going on that was not seen in the original pics posted. ?
And how is what you post in the last clips ever the original pattern.. ??
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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nobody answers I wonder why???
I want you guys to tell me something. I have tested this and know the answer what I saw. Just want to hear what you think...
1. If you have brilliant sharpness and everything is adjusted correct do you get better 3d debt then compared with a less sharp one?
2. If you have much punch in picture and still can hold the black level at the same level as total shutdown(everything still adjusted correct), will this picture get more clear and true also feeling of better correct color?
3. If point 2 holds what happens to colors up to rec709 d65 from 0-100 ire
4. If pixels or scan lines are visible near screen then max up to 3-4 feet do you get less (CRT word ) Then with no visible artifacts movie feeling?
5. How important is ansicontrast ? How is on off contrast important? Or is combined the best way to get the perfect picture?
6. If the dynamics is better in projector A ,and all points from 1-5 holds. Witch picture will look closest to the source. Then with the same player.?
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