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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | stridsvognen:
But to understand CRT and be able to get it as close to perfect, you need to calibrate yourself.
Its all conected, the gamma response with the foucus and so on.
And a very good way to display that all 3 tubes perform identical is to post a native grayscale with no digital correction.
But im sure you know and did that lots of times.
You had so much in the replay hehe
I mean that specially me or you will not get the picture 100% on a or your CRT. A pro calibrator and have to know crt will do it better than you I think. But I think part of the fun with CRT like I remembered it was to get information by friends and others.
And that was part of the CLUB. Now for me, that time is over and want to get a perfect picture after a calibration on a digital.
And then finished. I cant get it any better. Some fun lost YES. |
So what are you douing on a CRT forum ?
And trying to teach everyone whats up and down.? |
What???
Do I need to teach someone, you do that perfectly. I have learned and refreshed much just form you about CRT.
What are you doing on CRT still king or Crt better than Sony 4k? Do you like to be on bull**** treads?
Why not start a forum that do not involve Digital.?
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | stridsvognen:
But to understand CRT and be able to get it as close to perfect, you need to calibrate yourself.
Its all conected, the gamma response with the foucus and so on.
And a very good way to display that all 3 tubes perform identical is to post a native grayscale with no digital correction.
But im sure you know and did that lots of times.
You had so much in the replay hehe
I mean that specially me or you will not get the picture 100% on a or your CRT. A pro calibrator and have to know crt will do it better than you I think. But I think part of the fun with CRT like I remembered it was to get information by friends and others.
And that was part of the CLUB. Now for me, that time is over and want to get a perfect picture after a calibration on a digital.
And then finished. I cant get it any better. Some fun lost YES. |
So what are you douing on a CRT forum ?
And trying to teach everyone whats up and down.? |
What???
Do I need to teach someone, you do that perfectly. I have learned and refreshed much just form you about CRT.
What are you doing on CRT still king or Crt better than Sony 4k? Do you like to be on bull**** treads?
Why not start a forum that do not involve Digital.? |
Was it not you some time ago asked some to post test patterns so you could evalate and tell them what it shows.?
From CRT projectors.?
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Francisco
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | The 909 is better, his shot is better than yours, HQF900s are better than HD-145s, NEC is better than Barco, LC is better than AC, Coke is better than Pepsi, Mercedes is better than BMW, James Bond is tougher than John McClane, Rothmans are better than Marlboro, Glenfidich is better than Jack Daniels, and anything else i may have forgotten.
Im really amazed you brought up "punch"... Thats desperate isnt it  |
Hahaha I Always like your comments. I have used a Oehlbach 8m RGBHV 5bnc cable, I think with 5 quad shielded RG6 cables I will get better results. But I don't want to go back again, I will stick to a HDMI solution.
For fun off course I can try some things if I like to.
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Francisco
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | Francisco.
Try play with different peaking settings on your 909, and see what happens, you might be able to find one that will make it look like Cases 909 when you run RGBHV from Crystalio.
If you dont have one, you should try the 25$ HDCP stripper, and you see the Crystalio RGBHV out for blu ray |
I will try if don't watch a movie and have some spare time. I think you ment peaking settings within the barco?
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | stridsvognen:
But to understand CRT and be able to get it as close to perfect, you need to calibrate yourself.
Its all conected, the gamma response with the foucus and so on.
And a very good way to display that all 3 tubes perform identical is to post a native grayscale with no digital correction.
But im sure you know and did that lots of times.
You had so much in the replay hehe
I mean that specially me or you will not get the picture 100% on a or your CRT. A pro calibrator and have to know crt will do it better than you I think. But I think part of the fun with CRT like I remembered it was to get information by friends and others.
And that was part of the CLUB. Now for me, that time is over and want to get a perfect picture after a calibration on a digital.
And then finished. I cant get it any better. Some fun lost YES. |
So what are you douing on a CRT forum ?
And trying to teach everyone whats up and down.? |
What???
Do I need to teach someone, you do that perfectly. I have learned and refreshed much just form you about CRT.
What are you doing on CRT still king or Crt better than Sony 4k? Do you like to be on bull**** treads?
Why not start a forum that do not involve Digital.? |
Was it not you some time ago asked some to post test patterns so you could evalate and tell them what it shows.?
From CRT projectors.? |
Yes and now I have more than one when I go up there.
But still do you agree with me about this?
CRT still king or Crt better than Sony 4k? Do you like to be on bull**** treads?
Why not start a forum that do not involve Digital.?[/quote]
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Francisco
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | Not just about the lenses, all of it.
Mine isnt a 909 though, its a CineMAX. For movies, its even better than the 909, unless he put coloured C-elements in his 909.
As for the "punch", its very obvious you took the brightest part of your pic, which was clearly taken at a different angle, and is notably less sharp and more "AC like" than his. Anyone here that has seen both AC and LC on the same screen will know straight away how big the difference is. |
Yes my Seos Prodas 919 has colored C-elements and new LUGS, and latest software, also most boards are NEW all around 2004 - 2006
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| Francisco wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | Francisco.
Try play with different peaking settings on your 909, and see what happens, you might be able to find one that will make it look like Cases 909 when you run RGBHV from Crystalio.
If you dont have one, you should try the 25$ HDCP stripper, and you see the Crystalio RGBHV out for blu ray |
I will try if don't watch a movie and have some spare time. I think you ment peaking settings within the barco? |
Yeah i understand from Case that it can be set in different step, a bit of peaking can be better than nothing, and to much can be worse than nothing.. Maybe there is a nice setting in there.
I have the Crystalio 3800 Here, and a nice RGBHV cable, so if you need any 2nd opinion on anything that way ill be happy to do some tests here.
What i dont have is the EXT Moome. I do have Hd Fury 2 and 3, and hope to get a hold on the 4S
Im impressed that you have so clear scanline gaps on yours. That gives a nice headroom on the vertical resolution.
Would be nice if you were able to bump up the horisontal resolution.
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Francisco
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Francisco wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | Francisco.
Try play with different peaking settings on your 909, and see what happens, you might be able to find one that will make it look like Cases 909 when you run RGBHV from Crystalio.
If you dont have one, you should try the 25$ HDCP stripper, and you see the Crystalio RGBHV out for blu ray |
I will try if don't watch a movie and have some spare time. I think you ment peaking settings within the barco? |
Yeah i understand from Case that it can be set in different step, a bit of peaking can be better than nothing, and to much can be worse than nothing.. Maybe there is a nice setting in there.
I have the Crystalio 3800 Here, and a nice RGBHV cable, so if you need any 2nd opinion on anything that way ill be happy to do some tests here.
What i dont have is the EXT Moome. I do have Hd Fury 2 and 3, and hope to get a hold on the 4S
Im impressed that you have so clear scanline gaps on yours. That gives a nice headroom on the vertical resolution.
Would be nice if you were able to bump up the horisontal resolution. |
To be honest, I don't mind scanlines, I'm sitting 3,2m away from my 280cm wide screen, and can't see it from there. What I do see is some picture noise on white sky's etc. That's something I want to improve. Also a little bit of ghosting which you can see in my 1:1 picture. I'm curious about the bandwidth and how to improve it
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Diddern
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| Francisco wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | The 909 is better, his shot is better than yours, HQF900s are better than HD-145s, NEC is better than Barco, LC is better than AC, Coke is better than Pepsi, Mercedes is better than BMW, James Bond is tougher than John McClane, Rothmans are better than Marlboro, Glenfidich is better than Jack Daniels, and anything else i may have forgotten.
Im really amazed you brought up "punch"... Thats desperate isnt it |
Hahaha I Always like your comments. I have used a Oehlbach 8m RGBHV 5bnc cable, I think with 5 quad shielded RG6 cables I will get better results. But I don't want to go back again, I will stick to a HDMI solution.
For fun off course I can try some things if I like to. |
From what I have seen hdmi on CRT is better. Some like Pepsi some like cola
Better images. But I have only seen Greg's hdmi card. And that is very good on barco.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Francisco wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Francisco wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | Francisco.
Try play with different peaking settings on your 909, and see what happens, you might be able to find one that will make it look like Cases 909 when you run RGBHV from Crystalio.
If you dont have one, you should try the 25$ HDCP stripper, and you see the Crystalio RGBHV out for blu ray |
I will try if don't watch a movie and have some spare time. I think you ment peaking settings within the barco? |
Yeah i understand from Case that it can be set in different step, a bit of peaking can be better than nothing, and to much can be worse than nothing.. Maybe there is a nice setting in there.
I have the Crystalio 3800 Here, and a nice RGBHV cable, so if you need any 2nd opinion on anything that way ill be happy to do some tests here.
What i dont have is the EXT Moome. I do have Hd Fury 2 and 3, and hope to get a hold on the 4S
Im impressed that you have so clear scanline gaps on yours. That gives a nice headroom on the vertical resolution.
Would be nice if you were able to bump up the horisontal resolution. |
To be honest, I don't mind scanlines, I'm sitting 3,2m away from my 280cm wide screen, and can't see it from there. What I do see is some picture noise on white sky's etc. That's something I want to improve. Also a little bit of ghosting which you can see in my 1:1 picture. I'm curious about the bandwidth and how to improve it |
I think that higher bandwidth combined with your very good focus will be a killer combi.
Thats why i ask about the peaking.. Its a fake bandwidth, but might be a improvement overall. And you need a DA converter who are not limiting the signal, looks like the Crystalio do better, but also makes a color shift.
Some of my experiments shows that a perfect high bandwidth input on standard boards actualy can stress the CRT to perform worse than a input where there is some roleoff. Normaly gets more fussy, and shifting colors.
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | stridsvognen:
But to understand CRT and be able to get it as close to perfect, you need to calibrate yourself.
Its all conected, the gamma response with the foucus and so on.
And a very good way to display that all 3 tubes perform identical is to post a native grayscale with no digital correction.
But im sure you know and did that lots of times.
You had so much in the replay hehe
I mean that specially me or you will not get the picture 100% on a or your CRT. A pro calibrator and have to know crt will do it better than you I think. But I think part of the fun with CRT like I remembered it was to get information by friends and others.
And that was part of the CLUB. Now for me, that time is over and want to get a perfect picture after a calibration on a digital.
And then finished. I cant get it any better. Some fun lost YES. |
So what are you douing on a CRT forum ?
And trying to teach everyone whats up and down.? |
What???
Do I need to teach someone, you do that perfectly. I have learned and refreshed much just form you about CRT.
What are you doing on CRT still king or Crt better than Sony 4k? Do you like to be on bull**** treads?
Why not start a forum that do not involve Digital.? |
Was it not you some time ago asked some to post test patterns so you could evalate and tell them what it shows.?
From CRT projectors.? |
Yes and now I have more than one when I go up there.
But still do you agree with me about this?
CRT still king or Crt better than Sony 4k? Do you like to be on bull**** treads?
Why not start a forum that do not involve Digital.? |
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I never comented on the SONY 4K overall performance.. Cant, have not seen it.. As well as you cant coment on different performance on forum members 9" CRT machines without seeing it.
What we do know that if we dont like scaling, and scaling artifacts, we are better off with a good CRT or a native 1080P digital projector.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | stridsvognen:
But to understand CRT and be able to get it as close to perfect, you need to calibrate yourself.
Its all conected, the gamma response with the foucus and so on.
And a very good way to display that all 3 tubes perform identical is to post a native grayscale with no digital correction.
But im sure you know and did that lots of times.
You had so much in the replay hehe
I mean that specially me or you will not get the picture 100% on a or your CRT. A pro calibrator and have to know crt will do it better than you I think. But I think part of the fun with CRT like I remembered it was to get information by friends and others.
And that was part of the CLUB. Now for me, that time is over and want to get a perfect picture after a calibration on a digital.
And then finished. I cant get it any better. Some fun lost YES. |
So what are you douing on a CRT forum ?
And trying to teach everyone whats up and down.? |
What???
Do I need to teach someone, you do that perfectly. I have learned and refreshed much just form you about CRT.
What are you doing on CRT still king or Crt better than Sony 4k? Do you like to be on bull**** treads?
Why not start a forum that do not involve Digital.? |
Was it not you some time ago asked some to post test patterns so you could evalate and tell them what it shows.?
From CRT projectors.? |
Yes and now I have more than one when I go up there.
But still do you agree with me about this?
CRT still king or Crt better than Sony 4k? Do you like to be on bull**** treads?
Why not start a forum that do not involve Digital.? |
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I never comented on the SONY 4K overall performance.. Cant, have not seen it.. As well as you cant coment on different performance on forum members 9" CRT machines without seeing it.
What we do know that if we dont like scaling, and scaling artifacts, we are better off with a good CRT or a native 1080P digital projector.[/quote]
So you mean that all the 909 and cine 9 I have seen are crap compared to the ones on this forum? bull**** x10
And I understand that you know a lot about banding, but not much about 4k and what is today. That's why you always end on bandwidth. And is it so hard for you to understand that you can't see scaling when you watch movies hehe.
Did you ignore the 5 questions? I just wonder. The same like every time. Or talk some more about bandwidth.
Please do not answer then you make my day. Hehe
Sorry the picture. That was rude.
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You have a open invitation to post your questions in the other thread, and open up the bandwidth talk.. Im still waiting you there.. Your the one that never showed up..
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | "See thats exatly why its so scary that someone like you try to explain a experient CRT user what to do, and evaluate CRT performance. "
For all to know I DO NOT ADJUST CRT now that was a long time ago, and if I had a crt now in 2013 I will PAY the best to do it 100% perfect and do every possible mod. Even if he lived in the US I get that guy..
I only check projectors when a calibrator has done the job perfect with all. I start,, Or if someone clams that they have a better projector than something.
That's also what I said to mr Stridsvognen, make your projector 110% Then I take the trip and compare Side by side. If someone messed up the picture on projector A I do not care. Then its a loss. I also thought that the Sony HW50 was goanna win over the New JVC x500 But the JVC was better. If not much, but better.
So I hope this is perfectly clear for everyone...... |
So you not having the skill and experience to adjust and calibrate CRT, projectors in general, how is it you insist evaluating stuff you dont know about.?
Why don't you leave that to the calibrator commenting on performance parameters, and linking it to different adjustments.?
Why don't you just watch movies on your favorite projector when you don't even care to understand how its all working.? |
So you not having the skill and experience to adjust and calibrate CRT, projectors in general, how is it you insist evaluating stuff you don't know about.?
Lets put it the other way why do people claim that something is better when its far from that.
Just so some CRT guys think that CRT is still KING, or to sell more, try to keep CRT for some years more.
Why don't you leave that to the calibrator commenting on performance parameters, and linking it to different adjustments.?
He get played to say what I like to hear, and what you get on screen is more important than test patterns and measurements. Its not difficult to se what is best. And I am never alone so I get more information than I see, also maybe with a calibrator present.
Since I have to answer many questions to you can you answer mine.
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Where and who claimed CRT are better, or KING.. ? where did that come from all of a sudden.. Thought we were having a CRT tech discusion here.? What did i miss.?
Im sure im picking on your skills to evaluate if and how a CRT performs.!
What questions you like me to ansver.. ? |
Like you told me before you have to follow up hehe
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | You have a open invitation to post your questions in the other thread, and open up the bandwidth talk.. Im still waiting you there.. Your the one that never showed up.. |
We started here we finish here.
When we stop nothing happens hehe
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | You have a open invitation to post your questions in the other thread, and open up the bandwidth talk.. Im still waiting you there.. Your the one that never showed up.. |
And why, you talk about just the same here hehe
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | "See thats exatly why its so scary that someone like you try to explain a experient CRT user what to do, and evaluate CRT performance. "
For all to know I DO NOT ADJUST CRT now that was a long time ago, and if I had a crt now in 2013 I will PAY the best to do it 100% perfect and do every possible mod. Even if he lived in the US I get that guy..
I only check projectors when a calibrator has done the job perfect with all. I start,, Or if someone clams that they have a better projector than something.
That's also what I said to mr Stridsvognen, make your projector 110% Then I take the trip and compare Side by side. If someone messed up the picture on projector A I do not care. Then its a loss. I also thought that the Sony HW50 was goanna win over the New JVC x500 But the JVC was better. If not much, but better.
So I hope this is perfectly clear for everyone...... |
So you not having the skill and experience to adjust and calibrate CRT, projectors in general, how is it you insist evaluating stuff you dont know about.?
Why don't you leave that to the calibrator commenting on performance parameters, and linking it to different adjustments.?
Why don't you just watch movies on your favorite projector when you don't even care to understand how its all working.? |
So you not having the skill and experience to adjust and calibrate CRT, projectors in general, how is it you insist evaluating stuff you don't know about.?
Lets put it the other way why do people claim that something is better when its far from that.
Just so some CRT guys think that CRT is still KING, or to sell more, try to keep CRT for some years more.
Why don't you leave that to the calibrator commenting on performance parameters, and linking it to different adjustments.?
He get played to say what I like to hear, and what you get on screen is more important than test patterns and measurements. Its not difficult to se what is best. And I am never alone so I get more information than I see, also maybe with a calibrator present.
Since I have to answer many questions to you can you answer mine.
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Where and who claimed CRT are better, or KING.. ? where did that come from all of a sudden.. Thought we were having a CRT tech discusion here.? What did i miss.?
Im sure im picking on your skills to evaluate if and how a CRT performs.!
What questions you like me to ansver.. ? |
Like you told me before you have to follow up hehe |
What i read and understand is that you think you can evaluate resolution and colors without the help of test pattern and measurements, but you can define whats going on in a picture by watching movie material.. That a very nice skill.. That i still dont have.
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Diddern
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Stridsvognen I ask you again
But still do you agree with me about this?
CRT still king or Crt better than Sony 4k? Do you like to be on bull**** treads?
Why not start a forum that do not involve Digital.?
Then what I mean is this and the other bull**** that Greg started.
Agree or not agree.....nothing more.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | You have a open invitation to post your questions in the other thread, and open up the bandwidth talk.. Im still waiting you there.. Your the one that never showed up.. |
We started here we finish here.
When we stop nothing happens hehe |
Ok.. i guess here is where we have to do it then.. Im sorry to mess this thread up, but i refuse to let your statements unchallenged.
So lets start where we left in the other thread where you put your tail betwen your legs and had to call others idiots, and dident want to explain your understanding of bandwidth..
Has bandwidth any relevance on a digital.?
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | Stridsvognen I ask you again
But still do you agree with me about this?
CRT still king or Crt better than Sony 4k? Do you like to be on bull**** treads?
Why not start a forum that do not involve Digital.?
Then what I mean is this and the other bull**** that Greg started.
Agree or not agree.....nothing more. |
I never comented on the SONY 4K overall performance.. Cant, have not seen it.. As well as you cant coment on different performance on forum members 9" CRT machines without seeing it.
What we do know that if we dont like scaling, and scaling artifacts, we are better off with a good CRT or a native 1080P digital projector.
Im quite sure ill still prefer the CRT performance over the SONY 4K. but not from a moddet 8" CRT with HD 144 lenses.
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