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Corleone88
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| AVphile wrote: | | Corleone88 wrote: | Unfortunately, it didn't work and it needs to be fixed. So I am waiting for the next firmware.
1080i on the Radiance only accepts 50 or 60Hz  |
Well I wrote Lumagen Support and Jim replied stating that 72Hz should work and there is no plan to add 96Hz or any more interlaced formats. Who were you communicating with? I will try the 72Hz tonight since I only tried 96Hz so far. |
I wrote to Patrick. I also have a picture with 1080i@72 but the signal sent by the Radiance is not what it is displayed on it.
The signal is actually 1080i@60. Same issue with 1080i@96
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Corleone88
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| AVphile wrote: | Looks like 1080i71.93 is working but the Barco reports it wrongly "29.8 kHz / 53 Hz"
I just took the stock 1080i59.94 configuration and changed the Clock to 88931779. |
I don't think that the Barco displays wrongly as with my HDQ, Barco always displays what HDQ is supposed to send.
At the end, I think this is a bug and needs a firmware update.
1080p48 works fine, but the flicker bothers me. For what I saw on the HDQ, 1080i@96 would be the best picture for my BG 808.
If there is no fix, I would be very sad to sell my Radiance and give up on these great CMS features.
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Nashou66
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Corleone88
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | If you still have the HDQ then just run it after the radiance for now. Have the HDQ output 10801@96 and have the radiance send 10801 or what ever you need tot he HDQ. Use the radiance for CMS.
At least till they fix the bug.
Athanasios |
Good idea Athanasios. Thanks  !
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km987654
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | If you still have the HDQ then just run it after the radiance for now. Have the HDQ output 10801@96 and have the radiance send 10801 or what ever you need tot he HDQ. Use the radiance for CMS.
At least till they fix the bug.
Athanasios |
I thought you could only have one VP in the chain.
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Corleone88
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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By the way how do you setup the radiance in order to apply the cms but not touch the resolution?
Using the pass through option implies that the CMS is not used, isn't t?
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AVphile
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Frame lock?
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Corleone88
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On the HDQ, is it possible to reset only the CMS values?
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CIR Engineering
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Sorry, can't remember  I think "no" though if memory serves.
One often under sighted advantage of the Radiance over earlier models is their usability.
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AVphile
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| Corleone88 wrote: | | AVphile wrote: | | Corleone88 wrote: | Unfortunately, it didn't work and it needs to be fixed. So I am waiting for the next firmware.
1080i on the Radiance only accepts 50 or 60Hz |
Well I wrote Lumagen Support and Jim replied stating that 72Hz should work and there is no plan to add 96Hz or any more interlaced formats. Who were you communicating with? I will try the 72Hz tonight since I only tried 96Hz so far. |
I wrote to Patrick. I also have a picture with 1080i@72 but the signal sent by the Radiance is not what it is displayed on it.
The signal is actually 1080i@60. Same issue with 1080i@96 |
I told Jim it is not working, now there is no reply.
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Corleone88
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| AVphile wrote: | | Corleone88 wrote: | | AVphile wrote: | | Corleone88 wrote: | Unfortunately, it didn't work and it needs to be fixed. So I am waiting for the next firmware.
1080i on the Radiance only accepts 50 or 60Hz |
Well I wrote Lumagen Support and Jim replied stating that 72Hz should work and there is no plan to add 96Hz or any more interlaced formats. Who were you communicating with? I will try the 72Hz tonight since I only tried 96Hz so far. |
I wrote to Patrick. I also have a picture with 1080i@72 but the signal sent by the Radiance is not what it is displayed on it.
The signal is actually 1080i@60. Same issue with 1080i@96 |
I told Jim it is not working, now there is no reply. |
Same thing with Patrick . They don't seem to bother releasing a fix quickly. Maybe we are not many enough to be annoyed by this problem.
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Nashou66
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| Corleone88 wrote: | | AVphile wrote: | | Corleone88 wrote: | | AVphile wrote: | | Corleone88 wrote: | Unfortunately, it didn't work and it needs to be fixed. So I am waiting for the next firmware.
1080i on the Radiance only accepts 50 or 60Hz |
Well I wrote Lumagen Support and Jim replied stating that 72Hz should work and there is no plan to add 96Hz or any more interlaced formats. Who were you communicating with? I will try the 72Hz tonight since I only tried 96Hz so far. |
I wrote to Patrick. I also have a picture with 1080i@72 but the signal sent by the Radiance is not what it is displayed on it.
The signal is actually 1080i@60. Same issue with 1080i@96 |
I told Jim it is not working, now there is no reply. |
Same thing with Patrick . They don't seem to bother releasing a fix quickly. Maybe we are not many enough to be annoyed by this problem. |
Seems like a recurring theme from Lumagen Processors. The HDQ did the same thing with
1080p@72 Hz. it allowed it in the menu but the PJ would show only 59.93hz.That was over DVI. if set to analog it would work fine and show up on the PJ input status screen. I wish the radiance had RGBHV outs.
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AVphile
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1080p? You mean 1080i?
I was told by Anthem there would be no support for custom interlaced modes because it was a limitation of the VXP chip. Someone on AVS named Patrick said it would work in the Lumagen because of their implementation and there are different models of the VXP chip. So this became one reason I decided to bypass the Anthem and buy a Lumagen.
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | Sorry, can't remember I think "no" though if memory serves.
One often under sighted advantage of the Radiance over earlier models is their usability.
craigr |
I tried the basic 8-point gamut CMS on the Radiance with CalMAN 5 and it totally sucked. While it nailed the primaries and secondaries it robbed the picture of any glorious CRT colors... looked like an LCD from 10 years ago!
I have better hopes for the 125-point Cube CMS but it will be a while before I can get this done since it is so time consuming and causes my laptop CPU to overheat!
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Nashou66
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| AVphile wrote: | | CIR Engineering wrote: | Sorry, can't remember I think "no" though if memory serves.
One often under sighted advantage of the Radiance over earlier models is their usability.
craigr |
I tried the basic 8-point gamut CMS on the Radiance with CalMAN 5 and it totally sucked. While it nailed the primaries and secondaries it robbed the picture of any glorious CRT colors... looked like an LCD from 10 years ago!
I have better hopes for the 125-point Cube CMS but it will be a while before I can get this done since it is so time consuming and causes my laptop CPU to overheat! |
Really? I did the 125 Point and it looks great!!! Sometimes you have to re run it. I use it in Chromapure tho as I don't have calman 5 just 4.
And I have to say, I think Chromapure does a better Job with auto cal and how it uses the data from the Probes with low level
light. CalMan freezes up if your patterns are to dim as sometimes CRT can be.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | And I have to say, I think Chromapure does a better Job with auto cal and how it uses the data from the Probes with low level
light. CalMan freezes up if your patterns are to dim as sometimes CRT can be.
Athanasios |
Are you using the newest Chromapure Tom? I ask because Tom H just had a new software guy go through the automated stuff and it works much better now than in the past.
However, I really don't see any reason to use the 125 point CMS on a CRT. A CMS in a digital device is ideally built to simulate the natural response of CRT phosphors. Such a response is fixed in the xy (by phosphors and filtration) and is a function of the gamma curve for Y. If you use the 8 point CMS you should get identical results on any CRT because the Y values will naturally follow the curve. The 125 point CMS should actully be more prone to error because the quality of the meter will come into play.
A digital is a black box where anything can happen inside so the 5x5x5 can be used to help repair the damage. A CRT is very predictable and follows a fixed and given path defined by nature.
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Also, when I correct 9" CRT's that have filtration (red and green celements), I only use the CMS on the red color and I don't fully correct it. I find that fully correcting red on a 9" with colored celements just doesn't look right. I don't correct yellow or magenta even though there will be some errors due to the oversaturation of red. Green, cyan, and blue should all be naturally almost perfect without correction. If that's not what you are seeing than your meter is not taking accurate readings.
If you use an AC machine with color corrected lenses than you will need much more correction as the lens filters are VERY oversaturated. On NEC projectors I often fully correct with the CMS and they look really awesome once done.
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Nashou66
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Thanks for the Info Craig. My Chromapure version is from about two three months ago. Not sure if there is newer one out.
I'll try it with 8 point next time. I use the auto correct as I have trouble
correcting the 5x5 cube since I have no idea what each color shades numerical points should be. its not Like RGBCYM. Those have names and you know the graphical points.
I use the HD 144 lenses so I do try to correct all RGBCYM, but usually after getting RGB close CYM fall very close on there own.
I always have an issue with one PJ where either 40 or 20 are way off in greyscale after Autocal. But never on both PJ's.
I profile my D3 to my i1 Pro which I checked last year against the PR 650 and it was very close. Si I think the probes I have are fine.
Thanks for the help. If you have any tips on manualy correcting the 8 point cube it be awesome.
Athanasios
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