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Marquee 9500LC 1080p@60hz dosen't show whole image

 
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thewolfman



Joined: 28 Mar 2011
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:43 am    Post subject: Marquee 9500LC 1080p@60hz dosen't show whole image

I got around yesterday and made the installment and picture geometry. Made quite a good picture, but no initialization, but my walls are too bright so colors are very washout.

Anyway, the picture is cut off on both sides with about 10 cm and can’t make size any bigger or smaller. Well, to certain degree I can but not as far as I would like. The raster is far from being close to the edge but can’t make it any closer. When I push H-size picture stops go any bigger when reaching about 17 but keeps counting all the way to 100 anyway. I can make it higher but not wider. If I make it smaller it goes down to zero but picture decreases only 20 cm or so.

I got GT17 lenses and a 100 inch wide 2.35,1 screen with 375 cm throw distance. I can move the projector backwards and forwards on a movable table, and positioned almost in the middle of the screen, but it seems that Scheimphlug won’t be necessary as it seems quite sharp as is. Stig and RGB-focus made all the difference so happy with picture so far.

If I go to Picture and Phase, I can move the picture from side to side and see that it really is cut off on the sides.

And also, about 20 cm out from the left side and extended to about 40 cm to the right, there is a section that is blurred for some reason, and all the way from the top to bottom. As a whole, the picture is sharp enough for me for not noticing it when watching movies, but is obvious when in Help mode for an example. Not sure what to make of it.
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barclay66



Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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Location: Germany

TV/Projector: Marquee 9500 Ultra

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:26 pm    Post subject:

Hi,

If the Marquee is mounted too close to the screen then You might have reached the physical limit. You could take a look on the HDM: Below the daughter board (needs to be removed for access) there is a jumper which will yield some more H-Width range (don't remember if it has to be plugged or removed for that but I belive it had to be removed). You could check the H-Width coils if You dare to but don't expect too much effect.
And just to be sure don't forget to check the blanking settings. Maybe the picture content is cropped off.
Regarding the blur I'd try to adjust the scheimpflug bolts. Go to the manuals section on this site and look for the installation manual for further information on this item...

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barclay66


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gjaky



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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:29 pm    Post subject:

Toggle the 'retrace time' to short, that would solve the blanked picture, if it is still not good (eg. too narrow) then a video processor (or powerstrip if you use HTPC) can solve the problem perfectly.
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barclay66



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TV/Projector: Marquee 9500 Ultra

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:34 pm    Post subject:

gjaky wrote:
Toggle the 'retrace time' to short, that would solve the blanked picture

Right! Forgot about this one. Try this first...
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thewolfman



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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:45 pm    Post subject:

Hi there..

I have checked the blanking and that's on zero, so not that. I do have an 8500LC HDM onboard right now, but do have a Dragan altered 9500 Ultra HDM that I haven't put in yet. Will do soon.. One off the coils was broken so need to glue that first.

Retrace time did no change it only made the picture even narrower, I think it's in long now.

I will give Powerstrip a go, but porch settings and stuff like that makes me confused to say the least. If anyone has the numbers I could just print those and see what happens.

Thanks for the information.
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thewolfman



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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:55 pm    Post subject:

Removing the coils L410, L400 and L420 and replaceing them with a jumper seems to be the thing I need to do next. And also removing R400, R410 and 420 to. I hope this will solve the problem with the bluriness (ringing?) on the left side. I will feed my moome V3 with Powerstrip at 1920x800@75hz and hope this will clear up the picture even more. It's addicting this calibration.. Smile
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Nashou66



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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:07 pm    Post subject:

thewolfman wrote:
Hi there..

I have checked the blanking and that's on zero, so not that. I do have an 8500LC HDM onboard right now, but do have a Dragan altered 9500 Ultra HDM that I haven't put in yet. Will do soon.. One off the coils was broken so need to glue that first.

Retrace time did no change it only made the picture even narrower, I think it's in long now.

I will give Powerstrip a go, but porch settings and stuff like that makes me confused to say the least. If anyone has the numbers I could just print those and see what happens.

Thanks for the information.


right after you have to increase the image size. Put up a static pattern that has markers like the DVE overscan image.
Now change the retrace times from short to long and look for how much of the over scan image is shown. Yes it will be distorted when showing all the image but then you have to re size it to the correct aspect and geometry.

Athanasios

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thewolfman



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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:53 pm    Post subject:

You were all right; the retrace must be on short as it ok now. Thank you all for contributing.. Smile

I did the HDM swap and for some odd reason I could make more use of the phosphor now. H size is now at 90. Did a complete set up this time, and could see that blue and red are quite out of place. They are not leveled and off by maybe 5 degrees, and as far as I know, I will have to turn some part on the tube neck to solve that. I don’t have the courage to do that. If someone did provide a picture on what part that is I may do it later.

If anyone knows how to make the remote IR I would really appreciate that. The manual is a little confusing for me..
The pj could me moved forward by 1 yard after this btw.
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Phoenixed



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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:02 pm    Post subject:

Dont you just pop off the battery cover on the remote and unplug it?
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thewolfman



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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:13 pm    Post subject:

It's about the right protocol also.. A and B or only A or only B..
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thewolfman



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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:02 pm    Post subject:

Solved the remote issue. Like you said, put batteries in it and it works. I feel so stupid sometimes when reading that manual. Why the f*ck put a cord there in the first place when you don't have too.
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:26 pm    Post subject:

thewolfman wrote:
If anyone knows how to make the remote IR I would really appreciate that. The manual is a little confusing for me..
The pj could me moved forward by 1 yard after this btw.
I wrote a simple guide with pics for yoke alignment if your feeling adventurous. Worst part really is getting off the god dam hot glue without damaging a coil.
E-mail, i don't think I have your info anymore
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thewolfman



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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:58 pm    Post subject:

Hi there. draganm. I swaped the HDM and picture came alive with far better colors now. Before I had to go as high as 75 on contrast now it's at 64, but can go with 60 as well. Very 3D looking and guns are proving to as good as the seller told me. Very happy with the result so far. I'm sure the moome V3 did some improvment too.

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ElTopo



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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:42 pm    Post subject:

Hi there,

i have the same issue.

Where to set the retrace time to short? Inside the menu?

thx
ElTopo

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thewolfman



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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:57 pm    Post subject:

Hi,

My pj is wonderful now but had to redo everything a couple of times. But to answer your question, yes it's inside Picture. Like they say one needs to fiddle with the width after. But that is on a marquee, don't know about Barco.

CRT is really awesome when one gets it right, and yet I haven't done the magnetics yet.



ElTopo wrote:
Hi there,

i have the same issue.

Where to set the retrace time to short? Inside the menu?

thx
ElTopo
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ElTopo



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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:06 pm    Post subject:

Thanks but i'm also talking about the Marquee Smile

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