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digitalayon
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:20 pm Post subject: That's it....I am done with flat panels. |
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Well for now anyway....My vizio just went out...no warranty and will cost 750 to repair. I paid 800 for the thing. I see lots of working crt big screens for sale. Saw one like the one I used to have just the other day. A zenith built in 1998. 100 bucks. It is only a kids center. Great looking picture.[/i]
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Tinman
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Open it up and look for bloated capacitors before you give up on it. Very, very common failure in modern Chinese electronics.
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Curt Palme
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Nah, Vizios suffer from bad solder joints. We've been through that here before and I've had two Vizios in with controller board issues. Pieces of crap! 
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Weren't the Vizios marketed as Americas LCD and HDTV company to combat all those Korean and Chinese manufacturers?
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Tinman
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Vizio sets had as much as a 50% return rate. Not sure if they ever got better, but I'm not finding out.
I have either Samsung or LG sets. I KNOW what goes bad on those.
It's incredible how unreliable flat panels are. But we must remember that the CRT tv was no better in the beginning either.
Though with the advances in technology, I hardly find that an excuse. I'm convinced these sets are purpose engineered for max profit and average 3-5 year life. And the public just keeps swallowing it.
I'm just glad I can repair my own, most of the time. Just did a cap in my 6 year old plasma. Runs like a champ again. Total repair time: 30 minutes including taking it off the wall and re-hanging it. AND I have spare boards!
But as the prices keep dropping, soon it won't matter. Once you can get a decent panel for $500 and replace it say in 5 years.....
We are just about there now.
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Curt Palme
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| Phoenixed wrote: | | Weren't the Vizios marketed as Americas LCD and HDTV company to combat all those Korean and Chinese manufacturers? |
Not sure, but if so, that's one hell of marketing BS!
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digitalayon
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| Tinman wrote: | Vizio sets had as much as a 50% return rate. Not sure if they ever got better, but I'm not finding out.
I have either Samsung or LG sets. I KNOW what goes bad on those.
It's incredible how unreliable flat panels are. But we must remember that the CRT tv was no better in the beginning either.
Though with the advances in technology, I hardly find that an excuse. I'm convinced these sets are purpose engineered for max profit and average 3-5 year life. And the public just keeps swallowing it.
I'm just glad I can repair my own, most of the time. Just did a cap in my 6 year old plasma. Runs like a champ again. Total repair time: 30 minutes including taking it off the wall and re-hanging it. AND I have spare boards!
But as the prices keep dropping, soon it won't matter. Once you can get a decent panel for $500 and replace it say in 5 years.....
We are just about there now. |
That is exactly my frustration. I simply will not buy a new one every 3 years.... They want the same with front loading washers. f*ck that sh*t!
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digitalayon
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | Phoenixed wrote: | | Weren't the Vizios marketed as Americas LCD and HDTV company to combat all those Korean and Chinese manufacturers? |
Not sure, but if so, that's one hell of marketing BS! |
Assembled in the USA is different than made in the USA.
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | Phoenixed wrote: | | Weren't the Vizios marketed as Americas LCD and HDTV company to combat all those Korean and Chinese manufacturers? |
Not sure, but if so, that's one hell of marketing BS! |
Just designed in the US and management in the US
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digitalayon
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| Tinman wrote: | Open it up and look for bloated capacitors before you give up on it. Very, very common failure in modern Chinese electronics.
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Caps are good.....controller chip is dead.
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macgyver655
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But we must remember that the CRT tv was no better in the beginning either.
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Maybe, but that CRT only cost a small fraction of it's selling price to repair it as compared to flat panels which can cost more to repair then replace. Plus that CRT would still outlast 20 flat panels or more over it's life. There are no comparisons between CRT and flat panels.
Lets do some assuming math. Lets say you bought a CRT 20 years ago for 600 bucks. And over the years it had to be repaired 3 times(more then usual). And each time the repair cost 100 bucks(again, more then usual). Total is 900 bucks for 20 years.
Now you can buy a decent flat panel for 400 bucks. And lets says you had to replace it every 4 years(splitting your estimate) and the price remained constant. Over 20 years the cost would be 2400 bucks.
And we wont even go down the land fill road..... 
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macgyver655
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| digitalayon wrote: | | Tinman wrote: | Open it up and look for bloated capacitors before you give up on it. Very, very common failure in modern Chinese electronics.
Marc |
Caps are good.....controller chip is dead. |
What model Vizio?
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Spanky Ham
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| macgyver655 wrote: | | Tinman wrote: |
But we must remember that the CRT tv was no better in the beginning either.
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Maybe, but that CRT only cost a small fraction of it's selling price to repair it as compared to flat panels which can cost more to repair then replace. Plus that CRT would still outlast 20 flat panels or more over it's life. There are no comparisons between CRT and flat panels.
Lets do some assuming math. Lets say you bought a CRT 20 years ago for 600 bucks. And over the years it had to be repaired 3 times(more then usual). And each time the repair cost 100 bucks(again, more then usual). Total is 900 bucks for 20 years.
Now you can buy a decent flat panel for 400 bucks. And lets says you had to replace it every 4 years(splitting your estimate) and the price remained constant. Over 20 years the cost would be 2400 bucks.
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I disagree. You are correct that the repair is only a small fraction of its original price, but they were still pretty high to begin with. In 1970, a console CRT cost say $325, which is $1900 in 2012. While it would still be lower than the flat panel replacements, I would hope that advancements in those twenty years would bring a much superior picture. Plus, I would guess the reliability should start to become a little better in the twenty years.
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | macgyver655 wrote: | | Tinman wrote: |
But we must remember that the CRT tv was no better in the beginning either.
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Maybe, but that CRT only cost a small fraction of it's selling price to repair it as compared to flat panels which can cost more to repair then replace. Plus that CRT would still outlast 20 flat panels or more over it's life. There are no comparisons between CRT and flat panels.
Lets do some assuming math. Lets say you bought a CRT 20 years ago for 600 bucks. And over the years it had to be repaired 3 times(more then usual). And each time the repair cost 100 bucks(again, more then usual). Total is 900 bucks for 20 years.
Now you can buy a decent flat panel for 400 bucks. And lets says you had to replace it every 4 years(splitting your estimate) and the price remained constant. Over 20 years the cost would be 2400 bucks.
And we wont even go down the land fill road..... |
I disagree. You are correct that the repair is only a small fraction of its original price, but they were still pretty high to begin with. In 1970, a console CRT cost say $325, which is $1900 in 2012. While it would still be lower than the flat panel replacements, I would hope that advancements in those twenty years would bring a much superior picture. Plus, I would guess the reliability should start to become a little better in the twenty years. |
And i don't agree with a lot of these dollars now vs dollars then equations either. And that debate could be much larger then the display one. And I remember those 1970 console tv's. We had one and so did my grand parents. And they lasted decades and I grew up watching them constantly. Around 1987 I bought a brand new RCA 32" console tv. It was a big deal back then as 32" was almost unheard of. I paid 1000 bucks for it and it use to be on 16 hr's a day, everyday for 10 to 15 years.
Oh, and did I mention i still have it and it still works just fine, with a great picture at that. And I never had to repair it....... 
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macgyver655
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | , I would hope that advancements in those twenty years would bring a much superior picture. Plus, I would guess the reliability should start to become a little better in the twenty years. |
^#$!$)@*#%!, sorry, I was choking on my coffee...... Let me know when this happens.....
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macgyver655
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| Spanky Ham wrote: |
I disagree. You are correct that the repair is only a small fraction of its original price, but they were still pretty high to begin with. In 1970, a console CRT cost say $325, which is $1900 in 2012. |
Ha, I just realized you went back 42 years in your quest. I only went 20. I could redo the math if you wish....
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HaydnG90
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| macgyver655 wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | | , I would hope that advancements in those twenty years would bring a much superior picture. Plus, I would guess the reliability should start to become a little better in the twenty years. |
^#$!$)@*#%!, sorry, I was choking on my coffee...... Let me know when this happens..... |
Yes, if only that were true. Have you seen the quality image flat panels put out. Your average LCD is awful compared to an average console CRT (not exactly sure what they are but i assume its a direct view CRT). My 16 year old Sony 32XBR100 (XBR squared) is still going strong and I have no intention of replacing it until it dies. Case is cracked (poor ABS plastic manufacturing) but the image is still pristine. It sits proudly next to my 5 year old 36XBR960 HDTV which will also be with me for many years to come I hope
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Curt Palme
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| macgyver655 wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | | , I would hope that advancements in those twenty years would bring a much superior picture. Plus, I would guess the reliability should start to become a little better in the twenty years. |
^#$!$)@*#%!, sorry, I was choking on my coffee...... Let me know when this happens..... |
THe problem is, people like Mac are posing as repairmen, when in reality, they do the work as in his avatar! 
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ecrabb
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| macgyver655 wrote: | | And i don't agree with a lot of these dollars now vs dollars then equations either. And that debate could be much larger then the display one. And I remember those 1970 console tv's. We had one and so did my grand parents. And they lasted decades and I grew up watching them constantly. Around 1987 I bought a brand new RCA 32" console tv. It was a big deal back then as 32" was almost unheard of. I paid 1000 bucks for it and it use to be on 16 hr's a day, everyday for 10 to 15 years. |
Well, inflation happened whether you agree with it or not, Mac and it significantly changes the value equation.
The fact is that in 1970, middle class households had incomes in the $5,000-7,000/year ballpark. A typical sedan was less around half that, and expensive cars like Corvettes or Cadillacs were pushing $6,000. So, a $500 or $600 color console TV was a HUGE purchase back then if total household income was $6,000. To put that in perspective, if a household was making a decent middle-class $60,000 income, a TV purchase would have to be in the $5000-6000 range to be comparable.
There hasn't been as much inflation in the last 20 year so, so your example isn't as bad, but the comparison still holds true. Take your $1000 32" RCA console... Back in '86 or '87 when you bought that thing, average household income was around $30,000, and a brand new Caprice Classic was under $15,000, so again, a $1000 32" TV was still a pretty decent chunk of change - almost two weeks' income for that family. It was much cheaper than in the 70's, but still not cheap by any means. Of course, there were much cheaper options than the console even then.
But, in 2012, a similar-class sedan like an Impala is pushing $25,000 - more than half-again as much as the 80's car, and average household income is in the $50,000 ballpark now. But, you can find a 32" TV for $300 without even trying - less than HALF of what it cost back when you bought it. Or, you can put a couple hundred bucks with it and get a bigger 42" that you can hang on the wall for less than half of what you spent. That doesn't even account for inflation… If you do, the new 42" TV is less than half a week's family income (while your old 32" in the 80's was nearly two weeks' worth).
| macgyver655 wrote: | | Oh, and did I mention i still have it and it still works just fine, with a great picture at that. And I never had to repair it....... |
Yeah, a "great picture" that's not HD, needs a converter box because the analog-only tuner won't receive any broadcast, it weighs 150 pounds and takes up a huge amount of floor space (for little good purpose), and nobody would want one even you could still get one... Which is, of course why you can't get one.
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[quote="ecrabb"] | macgyver655 wrote: |
Yeah, a "great picture" that's not HD, needs a converter box because the analog-only tuner won't receive any broadcast, it weighs 150 pounds and takes up a huge amount of floor space (for little good purpose), and nobody would want one even you could still get one... Which is, of course why you can't get one.
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Hey, I'm not a nobody! 
I miss mine. It was a Garbage Electric brand (GE) and was out for repair more than we watched it. That TV broke my HV "cherry". The jolt threw me into the wall head first and knocked me senseless. ( as you say to yourselves "OHHHHH! That explains it )
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