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km987654
Joined: 25 Jul 2007
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Location: Australia
TV/Projector: Barco BG809s
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It's personal choice so who cares what anyone else thinks. They can't help you enjoy CRT.
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Tom.W
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| RobertR wrote: | | draganm wrote: | | RobertR wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | Usually when friends see my CRT they wonder why no one else has one. 
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Yes, but are they HT people with digital PJs?  |
Rob we need more info, what PJ do you have? What digital projectors are your friends running, and why do they think you need to go digital?
What comes ot mind is an older ES focusing set like a Sony 12XX (soft, blurry, dim) in your theater and your friends are accustomed to eye-ball searing DLP's with "sharp" Pixel structure? |
I have a NEC XG135LC. It was expertly set up by John Gannon and Doug Baisey. I don't know what projectors all my friends are running, but one of them is running a JVC RS25 (he says he'll bring it over to my place to see the difference). I guess they think CRT is too soft, too big, too heavy, too inflexible with regards to placement. |
Is Doug Baisey still around ? He seems to be missing around here but I hope he's OK !
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gjaky
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Location: Budapest, Hungary
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All my friend who are interested in HT running CRTs, select your pals better. 
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Curt Palme
CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
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Location: Langley, BC
TV/Projector: All of them!
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Is Doug Baisey still around ? He seems to be missing around here but I hope he's OK ! |
I'm pretty sure he's passed on. No one really knows. I'm sad I never got to meet him. We always talked about me going down to Seattle every time he went up, but our schedules never quite meshed. 
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Tinman
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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Location: Carson City Nevada
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | Tom.W wrote: |
Is Doug Baisey still around ? He seems to be missing around here but I hope he's OK ! |
I'm pretty sure he's passed on. No one really knows. I'm sad I never got to meet him. We always talked about me going down to Seattle every time he went up, but our schedules never quite meshed. |
I have to think the same. The last time I spoke to Doug was years ago. He didn't sound good at all.
Doug was quite a character, Curt. You would have liked him. 
I am glad to have known Doug. Somewhere in the back of my mind I hope he's still around, since he vanished once before, so who knows.... maybe...
But one thing is for sure, Doug's not doing projectors any more.
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RobertR
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| Tinman wrote: | | Curt Palme wrote: | | Tom.W wrote: |
Is Doug Baisey still around ? He seems to be missing around here but I hope he's OK ! |
I'm pretty sure he's passed on. No one really knows. I'm sad I never got to meet him. We always talked about me going down to Seattle every time he went up, but our schedules never quite meshed. |
I have to think the same. The last time I spoke to Doug was years ago. He didn't sound good at all.
Doug was quite a character, Curt. You would have liked him.
I am glad to have known Doug. Somewhere in the back of my mind I hope he's still around, since he vanished once before, so who knows.... maybe...
But one thing is for sure, Doug's not doing projectors any more. |
Yeah, Doug was quite likeable, and incredibly knowledgeable about my projector. I guess CRT calibrators are a vanishing breed, along with the technology itself.
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Spanky Ham
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Tinman
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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Location: Carson City Nevada
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Oh, Doug's house in Diamond bar? He left that long ago.
His last known residence was in Seattle.
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winduptoy
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Location: Lunenburg, Nova Scotia
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This is my first post in a while. Still using CRT. I am only aware of 2 others in the province using tube PJs. Had a movie night last night...Skyfall...all said they would rather watch this than movie theatre or digital projector. As for me, when I see a digital display I would rather watch than this, I'll think about it. Haven't had to do any thinking yet.
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Spanky Ham
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Tinman,
Any search of Doug pulls up Diamond Bar. Wow, I guess he really fell off of the grid.
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mxer
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I got 2 G70s (one works one kinda works (parts)) for 200 bucks. That's why I got into CRT! I love the picture compared digital especially a 200 dollar digital projector.
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the big E
Joined: 20 Apr 2013
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Location: speedwell Tn.
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Consriding I am new I prefer a crt over dlp (and both over a LCD)
But crt is still the better display(no matter which type it is)
I recently got a ecp4101 from curt and for a es focusing set it is pretty darn good for its age
I may upgrade to a marquee sometime(not sure)
But as I was growing up the only tv around was crt(same for projectors)
I haven't been to the local theater in years since I installed my own home theater(the rest of the family loves also)
But the smooth(yet sharp) picture with true blacks win out for me(plus no motion blur)
I hate the current tvs on the market(they are designed to fail ane be replaced not repaired)
I was gave a samsung crt rptv which is a HDTV capable set it needs some work but it is still worth fixing
My ranking from best to worst crt,dlp, LCD for projectors crt, plasma,LCD
I wish crt would make a comeback but I guess that is wishful thinking
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mx83toy
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Yeah I'd love to see a 03 Barco , NEC and Sony could you imagine what they'd have em doing with all the new tech
STuff mixed in!!!
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the big E
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| mx83toy wrote: | Yeah I'd love to see a 03 Barco , NEC and Sony could you imagine what they'd have em doing with all the new tech
STuff mixed in!!! |
They would still be the king of picture quality as usual
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mx83toy
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Hopping u guessed I meant 2013 models
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the big E
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| mx83toy wrote: | | Hopping u guessed I meant 2013 models |
Yep
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Spanky Ham
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Not sure how much better they would be.
Tse told me once when I asked that CRTs are a century old tech. There isn't much left that isn't known about them..
Breaking it down, I don't think tube tech would have become any better. They might have started making 16x9 tubes, but that may have been the only change. There was one interesting tube tech about a decade ago. I forgot the name of it, but the company said they could manufacture a high res tube with more light output for less cost than currently available. This company was trying to go after the RPTV market, but they were to late. They also didn't have any knowledge on how to design the electronics. I mentioned it to Tse a coupe of years later and he was disappointed that he didn't have a chance to play with the tubes. It wouldn't have helped the company, but VDC may have been able to use them.
Lenses are next and I don't think you could have improved upon the best from a decade ago, but I would leave that to more knowledgeable people like camera aficionados. Lenses and tubes are the two most important parts in the pj.
Next would the electronics. I asked Tse about improved electronics and he wasn't optimistic. He said the CRT electronic parts industry started to dwindle in the late 90s. He implied that even if it had continued that there would not have been any huge advances. I hope I am not misinterpreting that. Tse said he spent the last decade at VDC just trying to maintain the performance level of the current pjs. Of course, two or so years ago I stopped in to VDC and Tse showed me a digital converge/align board that they were working on for their DLP pjs. It might have worked for CRTs.
One thing that would have gotten better is camera based converge/align systems. With better cameras available today, I could see spending ones time getting a good mechanical set up and then pressing a button to finish off the set up. That would have been a real nice feature.
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the big E
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | Not sure how much better they would be.
Tse told me once when I asked that CRTs are a century old tech. There isn't much left that isn't known about them..
Breaking it down, I don't think tube tech would have become any better. They might have started making 16x9 tubes, but that may have been the only change. There was one interesting tube tech about a decade ago. I forgot the name of it, but the company said they could manufacture a high res tube with more light output for less cost than currently available. This company was trying to go after the RPTV market, but they were to late. They also didn't have any knowledge on how to design the electronics. I mentioned it to Tse a coupe of years later and he was disappointed that he didn't have a chance to play with the tubes. It wouldn't have helped the company, but VDC may have been able to use them.
Lenses are next and I don't think you could have improved upon the best from a decade ago, but I would leave that to more knowledgeable people like camera aficionados. Lenses and tubes are the two most important parts in the pj.
Next would the electronics. I asked Tse about improved electronics and he wasn't optimistic. He said the CRT electronic parts industry started to dwindle in the late 90s. He implied that even if it had continued that there would not have been any huge advances. I hope I am not misinterpreting that. Tse said he spent the last decade at VDC just trying to maintain the performance level of the current pjs. Of course, two or so years ago I stopped in to VDC and Tse showed me a digital converge/align board that they were working on for their DLP pjs. It might have worked for CRTs.
One thing that would have gotten better is camera based converge/align systems. With better cameras available today, I could see spending ones time getting a good mechanical set up and then pressing a button to finish off the set up. That would have been a real nice feature. |
The 16:9 tubes was only for the direct view sets the projection sets still had the 4:3 tubes like crt projectors just a smaller raster use on the tubes
The convergence board tech would most likely be the only improvement that and the digital tuners
I didn't see how the tech dwindle considering its been around for a long time but companies was wanting a cheaper to make display tech hence the flat panel tvs(which has terrible picture quality compared to crt)
Digital displays are ok to a point but with no true black it bugs me(my dlp projector is like that)
That resion I got my Ecp 4101 from curt(plus I got tired of replacing bulbs every 2-3k hours)
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fragzero
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After seeing what people like MP and Greg Eisemann can do with the electronics even in the most highend crt's (9500/909) i can only assume that a newly designed chassis with 9" tubes would offer higher resolvable resolutions and more stability overall!
Too bad we won't see these anymore. Oh and the fact that i would not be able to afford a set
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the big E
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| fragzero wrote: | After seeing what people like MP and Greg Eisemann can do with the electronics even in the most highend crt's (9500/909) i can only assume that a newly designed chassis with 9" tubes would offer higher resolvable resolutions and more stability overall!
Too bad we won't see these anymore. Oh and the fact that i would not be able to afford a set |
you and me both i guess i need to hoard me a few for my lifetime  (did i just say hoard?) 
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