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416ray4538



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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:41 pm    Post subject: Blend

How much do the two projectors overlap.

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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:08 am    Post subject:

Hello

For 16:9; twenty percent should work well. For 2.35, closer to ten percent. The blend overlap is adjustable in the processor(s), and the distance between the projectors can be varied to meet these situations. Blend is optimal for screen widths of nine to fourteen feet. A 1.0 screen fabric is highly recommended to avoid color shift problems.


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416ray4538



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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:14 am    Post subject:

So for a 9 ft wide screen 1 foot in the middle is shared?
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:26 am    Post subject:

416ray4538 wrote:
So for a 9 ft wide screen 1 foot in the middle is shared?


No. For 20 percent overlap, each projector paints 60% of the screen.

The overlap is 21.6 inches.

The overlap is concealed easier on 20% than 10%

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Nashou66



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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:03 am    Post subject:

Tim in Phoenix wrote:
416ray4538 wrote:
So for a 9 ft wide screen 1 foot in the middle is shared?


No. For 20 percent overlap, each projector paints 60% of the screen.

The overlap is 21.6 inches.

The overlap is concealed easier on 20% than 10%

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So for a 20% you would have to have the PJ's physically closer? I ask because I use a 10% blend and tried 20% but with the PJ in the same location as the 10%. I found it made no difference.

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416ray4538



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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:20 am    Post subject:

Well I started out confused and now ...... It's not getting any easier. I had assumed that the pj should be centered in front of it's share of the screen. If they are mounted for a different overlap from what you are using what happens with the left and right outside edges?
What are you using to split the signal to each pj?

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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:50 am    Post subject:

I first measure the hight of the screen then I use that number for a 4x3 screen. use basic algebra to find out the width . I then find the center of that "half" and set up the one PJ for that side(half). i then measure out the same width for the other side and set up the second PJ for that side. That will give you the % of the blend as well, if you stick with it. I do not have a even %, i dont think, but it is closer to 10%.

Let me find the TV-One blend guide On there Site.

here is a bled guide

http://tvone.CRMdesk.com/image.aspx?mode=file&id=285

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Boilermaker



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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:38 am    Post subject:

This is really not as daunting as it might first seem. Just think of it as a normal single projector setup that you are doing twice.

If you have the luxury of being able to temporarily move your first projector around, then just move the first one around until a 2.40 AR pattern fills the height of your 2.40 screen at the same time it fills your raster the way you want it to starting from one side of your screen. Making sure that this first projector is exactly centered within the image, measure the throw distance and the distance from the side of your screen and use those dimensions to place your second projector fromn the other side of the screen. If you use a 2.40 screen, you will find that the blend is very close to 10%.

To make setup simple, I used a cheap laser level on a tripod to set the two lines on my screen which represent the inside edge of each projector. These two vertical lines represent the outside edge of each of the projectors just as in a single projector setup.

What are you using to split the signal to each pj?
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WHile there are several ways to do this (both Nash and Tim's setup is a little different from mine, but we all end up with the same result), here is my signal chain:

Source devices >> DVDO VP50Pro (used for input selection and overall AR control for different inputs) >> Moome Mux (used to deal with HDCP and provides two digital outputs) >> two VideoEqpro's (used to provide separate CMS and grayscale/gamma adjustment) >> two TvOne blend boxes (to do the blending and output resolution/refresh rate to each projector) >> two Moome Mux's (used just for D/A conversion) >> two NEC XG1101LC projectors.


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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:40 am    Post subject:

Damn - How did I screw up the quotes on that post?! Must be too early in the morning - Hope it is readable.
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Tim in Phoenix



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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:30 pm    Post subject:

So for a 20% you would have to have the PJ's physically closer? I ask because I use a 10% blend and tried 20% but with the PJ in the same location as the 10%. I found it made no difference.

Athanasios[/quote]


You don't "have" to do anything. The closer in to the screen, the more phosphor can be lit until you run off the edge of the tube. Some will run out of keystone range, or top/bottom focus range before they reach the optimal throw however. Nine inch lenses have an inherently slightly longer throw, and that makes nine inch machines more suitable. Also, too close in and the projector starts to block the viewer.



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416ray4538



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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:00 pm    Post subject:

Is an Ampro 4600 a good candidate for a blend if I ca find a mate for it or would you lean toward something else.
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:59 pm    Post subject:

Any PJ is a good candidate, if your ready to spend money on two Processors for color calibration and the VP to blend them and be ready for some major headaches that is. Wink

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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:57 pm    Post subject:

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and be ready for some major headaches that is.


Aw, come on Nash - It isn't that big a headache! It's fun!!!
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