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Clarence
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| draganm wrote: | | Neils has not had an easy life, and it was a small miracle when he got back on stage behind his kit. I think the emotional scars are still with him though, said he absolutely hated leaving his new family to go on this tour. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Peart
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Neil Ellwood Peart (born September 12, 1952) [Neil shares my birthday  ]
On August 10, 1997, soon after the conclusion of Rush's Test for Echo Tour on July 4, 1997, Peart's first daughter and then-only child, 19-year-old Selena Taylor, was killed in a single-car accident on Highway 401 near the town of Brighton, Ontario. His common-law wife of 22 years, Jacqueline Taylor, succumbed to cancer only 10 months later on June 20, 1998. Peart attributes her death to the result of a "broken heart" and called it "a slow suicide by apathy. She just didn't care."[19]
In his book Ghost Rider: Travels on the Healing Road, Peart writes that he told his bandmates at Selena's funeral, "consider me retired."[19] Peart took a long sabbatical to mourn and reflect, and travelled extensively throughout North and Central America on his motorcycle, covering 88,000 km (55,000 mi). After his journey, Peart decided to return to the band. Peart wrote the book as a chronicle of his geographical and emotional journey.
Peart was introduced to photographer Carrie Nuttall in Los Angeles by long-time Rush photographer Andrew MacNaughtan. They married on September 9, 2000. In early 2001, Peart announced to his bandmates that he was ready to return to recording and performing. The product of the band's return was the 2002 album Vapor Trails. At the start of the ensuing tour in support of the album, it was decided amongst the band members that Peart would not take part in the daily grind of press interviews and "meet and greet" sessions upon their arrival in a new city that typically monopolize a touring band's daily schedule. Peart has always shied away from these types of in-person encounters, and it was decided that exposing him to an endless stream of questions about the tragic events of his life was not necessary.[20][21][22]
Since the release of Vapor Trails and his reunion with bandmates, Peart has returned to work as a full-time musician. Rush released an all-covers EP, Feedback in June 2004 and their 18th studio album Snakes & Arrows in May 2007, supported by tours in 2004, 2007, and 2008.
In the June 2009 edition of Peart's website's News, Weather, and Sports, titled "Under the Marine Layer", he announced that he and Nuttall were expecting their first child. Olivia Louise Peart was born later that year.
Peart and the rest of the band toured North America, South America and Europe on the Time Machine Tour, which concluded on July 2, 2011, at The Gorge Amphitheatre in George, Washington. Following this tour, the band released their most recent studio album, Clockwork Angels on June 12, 2012. On January 22, 2015, the band officially announced the Rush R40 Tour, celebrating the fortieth anniversary of Peart's membership in the band. |
55,000 mile road trip 
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Clarence
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| draganm wrote: | | ...Bonham, Moon, and others have died, I hate to miss out on hearing a solo from the last , greatest Rock drummer that's still alive and touring. |
LA Weekly came up as the first google hit for "Greatest Rock Drummers".
http://www.laweekly.com/music/the-20-best-drummers-of-all-time-5199372
They only have Peart at #18. I was shocked.
20. Tommy Lee
18. Neil Peart
16. Alex Van Halen (I'll see them again this summer)
10. Phil Collins
8. Josh Freese (Devo)
7. Dave Grohl (I'll see him on July 4th)
6. Sheila E (really?!)
5. Stephen Perkins (Jane's Addiction)
(4. Keith Moon)
3. Charlie Watts
2. Clyde Stubblefield (James Brown)
(1. John Bonham)
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El Duderino
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draganm
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| Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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LA weekly? Is that like the Enquirer?
I like John Bohnman, but he was mainly known for playing very loudly, breaking his sticks, and getting kicked out of bars and pubs . AFA rock drummers, I would have to put Moon and Pert tied at #1.
For raw skill and musicianship, a Jazz drummer can play circles around all of them though. Pert even talks about this in the Rush documentary . Another good one is " Beware of Mr. Baker" , about the drummer for Cream who repeatedly denies being a rock drummer despite anchoring one the greatest early rock bands.
Rush will be here July 11th, only nose bleed seating left at $58., what are my chances of scoring good cheap tickets from a scalper at the front door 15 minutes after the concert starts? 
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Clarence
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OK, I'm hooked. Vinyl's been spinning all day in my office. 10x better than playing MP3s on my computer.
Couple of things that I like the most... I have 15,000+ MP3s but I'm burned out on them. I usually just have the "hits" from almost every artist. But when playing an LP, I get to hear the long-unheard "deep tracks" between the hits that I've listened to over and over through the past years.
The other thing that I'm really liking is getting up out of my office chair every 30 minutes and flipping the LP or picking the next one to listen to.
I picked up another Technics off of CL yesterday... an SL-5. Instead of a tone arm it has linear tracking from the lid.
It also came with 150 LPs (pristine shape... most still had shrink wrap [carefully opened]. They were oldies 60s/70s. But I had fun listening to a bunch of them... I would've never bought Janis Joplin, Willie Nelson, The Supremes, Croce, Simon & Garfunkel, or Carole King... already had their hits on MP3, but I've really enjoyed re-discovering the rest of their songs. I'll be taking about 100 of the LPs to the 2nd hand store and trading them for my more typical listening choices.
Replaced the cartridge and used the digital scale to set the needle weight and set anti-skate to the same value. Haven't had a single skip all day.
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draganm
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| Clarence wrote: | OK, I'm hooked. Vinyl's been spinning all day in my office. 10x better than playing MP3s on my computer.
Couple of things that I like the most... I have 15,000+ MP3s but I'm burned out on them. I usually just have the "hits" from almost every artist. But when playing an LP, I get to hear the long-unheard "deep tracks" between the hits that I've listened to over and over through the past years.. |
haha, your screwed now, caught the vinyl bug 
The death of vinyl and the CD age I think really affected not only how me listen but how music is made. Take Fleetwood Mac's Rumors album, 2 years to make but it's an album where you never feel like hitting the "skip button" . Albums were made to be listened to all the way thru, and most of the albums back then were good enough to do just that. The good news is that the amount of material from the "good old days" is astounding, Dire Straits, Yes, Cream, the Who, Floyd, Zepp, Sabbath, Heart, Rush, Robert Cray band, Stevie Ray Vaughn, and dozens of others including classical, Blues, and even some modern stuff like Mark Knopflers solo efforts, Florence and the machine, Adele, etc. It's all on vinyl and I enjoy it all.
I feel like MP3 just feeds ADD and the inability of some people to concentrate on any one thing for more than 2 minutes is a problem in more ways than one. To buy a CD or to even make a digital album with just one "good song" and then back-fill the rest with crap is rather pathetic. A true artist just wouldn't do this.
| Clarence wrote: | The other thing that I'm really liking is getting up out of my office chair every 30 minutes and flipping the LP or picking the next one to listen to.
It also came with 150 LPs (pristine shape... most still had shrink wrap [carefully opened]. They were oldies 60s/70s. But I had fun listening to a bunch of them... I would've never bought Janis Joplin, Willie Nelson, The Supremes, Croce, Simon & Garfunkel, or Carole King... already had their hits on MP3, but I've really enjoyed re-discovering the rest of their songs. I'll be taking about 100 of the LPs to the 2nd hand store and trading them for my more typical listening choices. |
the hunt is really a big part of the fun. On a rainy day going and flipping thru the bins is a nice way to spend time. Last week I scored a first pressing of Cream's Disraeli Gears on the original ATCO label for 22 bucks, MINT condition both cover and LP, it was a hell of a find for me. Eric Clapton, Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker were only together for 2 years, so this a pretty rare album to find from 1967 in any condition. This was playing in the background at the store on the U-turn Audio TT with upgraded platter (approx. $300.) while we skimmed thru the bins. Sounded really good, can't wait for a chance to spin it on my system.
| Clarence wrote: | | I picked up another Technics off of CL yesterday... an SL-5. Instead of a tone arm it has linear tracking from the lid.Replaced the cartridge and used the digital scale to set the needle weight and set anti-skate to the same value. Haven't had a single skip all day. |
Don't get hooked on features, linear tracking is a fine spec. on paper, but a lot of the things new people and especially skeptics get caught up in is spec's. It's fine to have perfectly stable speed, or really high Signal to noise ration, or excellent tracking ability. But none of those things by themselves will guarantee the kind of sonics that make music an emotional experience. Fremmer summed it up really well in his articles above, you can have a great build quality , perfect speed, and other nice bells and whistles and still have a TT that sounds flat, just like a CD player.
building a really musical TT is more like building a really nice Violin versus designing a perfect computer. At some point, you might just consider giving the Project Carbon a whirl, or at least go to your local hi-fi shop and give a listen. they'll even do an A-B demo against your Technics.
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Clarence
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| draganm wrote: | | the hunt is really a big part of the fun. On a rainy day going and flipping thru the bins is a nice way to spend time. |
Today's finds from the thrift store dollar bin:
Andres Segovia, a Spanish classical guitarist that a friend's parents took me to see in Chicago, the year that he died (1987). I didn't fully appreciate it at the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9s_Segovia
George Winston, Ballads and Blues 1972... a pianist, some of my favorite music to study to back in the day.
Wire Train, ... in a chamber. My favorite part about this find is that I had it in my ebay list. I still love the alternative college radio music from the early 80's.
Beatles, Sgt Peppers LHCB. Beat up cover, but the vinyl is clean. 1983 US pressing, so nothing special. But hey, for a buck.
Plus Joe Walsh, AC/DC, Animals, Guess Who, Tbirds.
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draganm
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| Clarence wrote: | Beatles, Sgt Peppers LHCB. Beat up cover, but the vinyl is clean. 1983 US pressing, so nothing special. But hey, for a buck.
Plus Joe Walsh, AC/DC, Animals, Guess Who, Tbirds. |
nice haul. For a buck though they haven't been cleaned. The shop I bought from that ran theirs thru a machine charges a minimum of $5. each. Now that you have a nice tracking force gauge, the only "must have" thing your missing is a cleaner, and they're indispensable for used vinyl. I like the $80. spin clean for cost and effectiveness.
All that rice crisspie crackling goes away. Even a brand new record should be washed one time ot remove the mold release residue which is sticky and attracts dirt. After that it's just a quick dry-brush before each play.
| Clarence wrote: | | Plus Joe Walsh, AC/DC, Animals, Guess Who, Tbirds. |
at first, grabbed a lot of stuff to fill my collection too. At this point I have pretty much everything I want, so look for either new music, or better versions of stuff I already have. First pressing are always the best, and almost without exception the best sounding, but also the hardest to find. There's also rare Half-speed masters that were released back in the day that are always pricey. A copy of Floyd's Wish You Were Here on CBS Half speed will set you back 30 bucks on flea bay.
Be wary of the modern re-issues, they are hit and miss. The good ones are jaw dropping good, and well worth the $25. If you buy these and sit on them for 5 to 7 years you can double your money after they go out of print.
the bad ones though are a mess, so read reviews carefully. Bad mastering, or just using the orignal compressed CD master slapped onto vinly, off center holes, drop-outs and other problems can make new vinyl a $25. gamble.
I'm gonna have to get this one though, I mean a Hologram of the 2112 Star Logo, COME ON , give me a break, I GOTTA have it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=41&v=jqNF9IWmFQE
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Phil Smith
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| Clarence wrote: | | Andres Segovia |
A local guitar repairman took lessons from him. He has the ultimate bragging rights.
| Quote: | | Beatles, Sgt Peppers LHCB. Beat up cover, but the vinyl is clean. 1983 US pressing, so nothing special. But hey, for a buck. |
Plus for a buck you got what many consider the greatest album ever! I wore that album out when I was a kid.
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Phil Smith
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| draganm wrote: | | I like John Bohnman, but he was mainly known for playing very loudly, breaking his sticks, and getting kicked out of bars and pubs . AFA rock drummers, I would have to put Moon and Pert tied at #1 |
Bohnman is the #1 drummer in almost all polls. He pretty much invented hard rock drumming and is one of my favorite drummers. I never cared for Moon. Just like his personal life, his drumming is way over done and out of control. For prog rock drumming, I'd take Mike Portney over Neal Pert, but I like Pert too.
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El Duderino
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draganm
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Yeah, it was admired a the time by the everyone from the Stones to Jimi Hendrix, who performed the album live for the Beatles and stones and many others just a couple of weeks after it's release.
| Quote: | | Issued in Britain on June 1st, 1967, and a day later in America, Sgt. Pepper is also rock's ultimate declaration of change. For the Beatles, it was a decisive goodbye to matching suits, world tours and assembly-line record-making. "We were fed up with being Beatles," McCartney said decades later, in Many Years From Now, Barry Miles' McCartney biography. "We were not boys, we were men... artists rather than performers. |
that's debatable , on their later stuff they still sound to me like a boy band that's trying not to sound like a boy band. I like most classic rock, but never connected with the Stones and Beatles. Abbey Road and Let it Be might be an excpetion to some degree.
At any rate, there was more showmanship there than musicianship on most the Beatles and stones stuff IMO, although I know many people would consider that statement sacrilegious. I do have a mint Sgt. Pooper on vinyl, with all the inserts. Might even be a first US pressing , can't recall. I will gladly sell it some day for a big bucks. 
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Phil Smith
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| draganm wrote: | | At any rate, there was more showmanship there than musicianship on most the Beatles and stones stuff |
You may not like the Beatles but you might want to limit your comments to just that. They're universally considered the best rock band ever and the 2nd greatest songwriters ever, behind only Bob Dylan. They don't have 4 of the top 10 albums ever (as dude pointed out) because they're a glorified boy band. 
Being an audiophile and a musicophile are 2 entirely different things. Any half way serious student of music recognizes the greatness of the Beatles.
PS: Did you know most musicians have sh*tty stereos? They listen to music differently than non-musicians and sound quality isn't as important to them.
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draganm
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| Phil Smith wrote: | Being an audiophile and a musicophile are 2 entirely different things. Any half way serious student of music recognizes the greatness of the Beatles.
PS: Did you know most musicians have sh*tty stereos? They listen to music differently than non-musicians and sound quality isn't as important to them. |
I could care less if they have an AM radio at home. I'm listening to what the Recording engineer laid down in a professional studio.
| Phil Smith wrote: | | draganm wrote: | | At any rate, there was more showmanship there than musicianship on most the Beatles and stones stuff |
You may not like the Beatles but you might want to limit your comments to just that. They're universally considered the best rock band ever and the 2nd greatest songwriters ever, behind only Bob Dylan. They don't have 4 of the top 10 albums ever (as dude pointed out) because they're a glorified boy band. |
for 50+ years McDonald's was considered the best restaurant in America, but as it turns out it was just crap after all.
They're song-writing is notable, but the best ever?The Walrus is Paul, Give me a break! The lyrics are shallow and catchy, like all pop music. AAMOF anything before Abbey road is better left on the Car Radio which is what it was intended for. Either that or a Crosley "Record player" with built in speakers.
Here's 100 reason why they suck
100 Without the beatles, we wouldn't have the beatles snob - the guy who thinks they did all there is to do in music.
99 Which they didn't. They didn't even f*cking rock for starters
98 And don't say: "Helter Skelter and Revolution?" Yeah, that's as close as they get. And Busted rocked harder.
97 Face it: The beatles were a boy band.
96 They let Ringo near a microphone. An event that should only happen when he's talking about Thomas the Tank Engine.
95 And they allowed George to play sitar.
94 On. Every. Bastard. Record.
93 You can't play somewhere as huge as Shea Stadium with the amplification wattage of a hearing aid and expect to be taken seriously. Even in the 60's.
92 Maxwell's Silver Hammer. Piss Off!
91 Buskers. the beatles armed the f*ck***.
90 Without the beatles we wouldn't know Yoko Ono. Like, cheers, John.
89 The Mahariishi Mahesh Yogi - as a spiritual mentor, he's hardly Aleister Crowley, is he?
88 Mr. Cheeky-Chappy Thumbs-Aloft Macca McCartney. Stop being so cheerful, you knob.
87 And Apologize for The Frog Chorus while you're at it.
86 Ever seen anyone headbanging or pogoing to All You Need Is Love, Penny Lane or I am A Walrus?? Exactly.
85 You can't even shag to the beatles, it'd be like doing it in front of your grandmother.
84 George Harrison used to call himself Harry Georgeson. Not exactly Mr. Mojo Risin', is it?
83 Without lewd lyrics like "you been a naughty girl you let your knickers down" (I am the Walrus) we wouldn't have as much teenage pregnancy in the world today.
82 or AIDS.
81 Or that massive hole in the ozone layer.
80 The Help album sleeve where they're doing a semaphore, but it doesn't spell anything? Just a crazy idea, but wouldn't it have been cleverer to, oh, I don't know, spell out H-E-L-P or something?
79 The opening chord to Hard Days Night has baffled guitarists for years. What is it? How can you play it? Who f*ck*** cares?
78 Hey, I've gotten to 78 and haven't even used the word "overrated" yet. You can never say the word "overrated" too much when it comes to the beatles.
77 Overrated.
76 Overrated.
75 Overrated. Feels better, doesn't it?
74 The Kinks, The Small Faces. There was some more than great 60's pop bands, you know!
73 Herman's Hermits were better.
72 So were the Move.
71 The beatles were just Monkees copycats.
70 If you come from Liverpool, everyone expects you love the Fab Four. This make you want to kill!
69 The phrase Fab Four, Arrrrrgh!
68 Bands at Weddings that play Twist and Shout and think they can scream like the beatles, in the Cavern in 1961.
67 They do - Shite.
66 And then they do that crazy mop-top head shake thing. Just stop, alright?
65 Ozzy's version of In My life is better than the beatles original.
64 And so is William Shatner's Lucy In the Sky With Diamonds.
63 A famous Napalm Death fan: all-around good bloke and much lamented DJ John Peel. A famous beatles fan: Charles Manson. I rest my case.
62 Mull of Kintyre. You're not even Scottish, man! Piss off or we'll burn your hoiliday home down.
61 George Benson plays Abbey Road, and it's miles worse than anything else he's recorded.
60 The Replacements' Let It Be is better than the beatles' Let It Be.
59 They were too scared to release the "butchers sleeve". Bed wetters!
58 Lennon once sang " I don't believe in beatles/I just believe in me" (God, by the Plastic Ono Band) . Fella, you're the expert - if you don't believe in 'em, neither do I.
57 The Bootleg beatles pretty much invented the tribute band, the mail order rubber doll of the music world.
56 The Bootleg beatles are boring. The Counterfeit Stones are a hilarious bundle of rock boogaloo. Fact.
55 "The beatles, after 40 years have Satan's power behind them. Before the beatles, magic was innocent. Music was a pure and christian. The beatles with "pagan skins" and electric guitars polluted the earth" - Pastor Rick Panning. You said it, vicar. Let's get 'em!
54 They had to have George Martin - the Carol Vorderman of Rock - on board to figure out how to do the stuff they couldn't.
53 In a Room full of engineers wearing white lab coats. What do you think this is, A-level of biology?
52 They had to get Clapton in to play the guitar solo on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" cos were all crap at the guitar.
51 Crap title, too. While My Guitar Twats You In The Throat And Drop Kicks You In To Next Week. Thats much better.
50 The were a bunch of big gaylords. (Er allegedly. Oh Okay, they probably weren't)
49 At least that would have made them interesting.
48 The beatles idea of a good album cover: demonstrating road safety by using a zebra crossing. The Chili Peppers' idea of a good record sleeve: crossing the road naked except for the socks on their cocks. Proper.
47 They learned how to flat pick from Donovan. This does not rock.
46 Ob-La Di, Ob-la Da. Bastards!!!
45 In fact, the entire White Album. C'mon. It's bobbins.
44 Let It Be...Naked, Free as a Bird, Anthology Vol. 1-84... Got any more half-finished demos and out-takes you can foist on us you money-grabbing bastards?
43 Money can't buy you love. In that case you won't want all of that ₤700 million personal fortune then, Paul?
42 And while I'm at it: George Harrison moaning about the tax man. So you had a bit of tax to pay, you tight arse.
41 "Tell you what, why don't we sell our publishing to Michael Jackson and get the money now" Donkeys.
40 If the beatles never split up we would have been spared Wings.
39 "Semolina pilchard dripping from a dead dogs eye..." That's just nasty. Weirdos.
38 Ringo's mustache.
37 Paul's mustache.
36 John's mustache.
35 George's mustache.
34 Why have Lennon and McCartney when you can have Simmons and Stanley?
33 Their comedy version of Get Back where the lyrics are changed and a West Indian accent is adopted to encourage the repatriation of immigrants. Like, right on, Hippy Dudes.
32 Tommy Lee married Pamela Anderson. Dave Navarro's boffing Carmen Electra. Paul McCartney went out with Jane "I bake a nice Cake" Asher. Rock 'n roll!!
31 "Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away..." But then I started compiling this list.
30 Their half-witted children, who the entire music industry think are owed a living: Zak Starkey, Julian Lennon and Hari Darjeeling (Or whatever George's kid is named)
29 McCartney on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire: Rubbish, he already was, dunderhead.
28 At least Nikki Sixx would have been funny.
27 Spoiling Christmas day in 1968 when we were all wrestled away from our turkey stuffing. Denis the Mennace annuals and Man From U.N.C.L.E replica Lugers to watch Magical Mystery Tour - the most frightful load of old bollocks yet committed to celluloid.
26 Apart from Yellow Submarine, that is.
25 And Yes, I know Magical Mystery Tour was actually broadcast on Christmas day '67, not '68, but it doesn't make it any less sh*tty.
24 And if you spotted that deliberate error, consider yourslef a beatles Snob!
23 Linda McCartney's veggie sausages: sawdust, soil, and chip fat in an oatmeal sock, YUM!
22 and therefore The Enemy.
21 No one wrote an academic thesis on the inner meaning lyrics before Lennon started wittering on about "newspaper taxis" and "marshmallow skies"
20 The Kicked started Cilla Black's career. Worra lorra laffs that's given us.
19 Bob Dylan introduced them to the joys of spliff. Outdone by a Yank.
18 The, like a bunch of pissed-up prefects, they never shut up about how they took drugs, maaaan.
17 Bloody Hippies.
16 Ringo Starr, leave glam rock names to Poison.
15 Did I mention that the beatles are overrated?
14 Rocky bastard. Raccoon
13 Britpop - that was their fault too.
12 Eleanor Rigby. Look if ya wanna write stories for old ladies fine. But it doesn't rock.
11 Can you imagine the crazy sh*t Lemmy woulda come up with if he hadn't been a beatles fan?
10 They're holding us back!
9 Number 9. Number 9. Number 9. Number 9. Num...
8 ...Stop It!
7 Within You, Without You. Show me the person who actually likes that, and I'll show you a lying wannabe.
6 They drove Brian Wilson Mental.
5 It's just a matter of time before they get us all.
4 An anagram of the beatles is Thee Stables.
3 Which is, of course, where Thee Four Horsemen of the Apocolypse keep their horses.
2 They're evil, I tell thee!
1 NO ONE CARES WHO THE f*cking WALRUS WAS!
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garyfritz
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| draganm wrote: | | for 50+ years McDonald's was considered the best restaurant in America, but as it turns out it was just crap after all. |
No, it was always crap. It was just cheap and convenient and therefore popular. Nobody ever claimed it was "best."
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Monkees copycats, that's hilarious -- considering the Beatles had been performing as a group since 1960 (with Pete Best), started recording (with Ringo Starr) in 1962, and had several international #1 hits and million-selling albums, before the Monkees were ever "invented" (as a fictional band) in 1965. Most of the rest of the list is equally accurate.
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Phil Smith
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Lack of knowledge about a subject has never deterred you from having a strong opinion, draganm. You don't know anything about music. ANYTHING. Your posts have made that very clear.
Copycats? I think draganm is the copycat: http://rateyourmusic.com/list/wiedmann/100_reasons_the_beatles_suck_/
| draganm wrote: | | Phil Smith wrote: | Being an audiophile and a musicophile are 2 entirely different things. Any half way serious student of music recognizes the greatness of the Beatles.
PS: Did you know most musicians have sh*tty stereos? They listen to music differently than non-musicians and sound quality isn't as important to them. |
I could care less if they have an AM radio at home. I'm listening to what the Recording engineer laid down in a professional studio. |
You should stick to critiquing turntables and quit making a fool out of yourself when it comes to the actual music.
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draganm
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Darn Phil, you caught me, I was really hoping people would think I sat down for an hour and wrote out a list of 100 reasons why the Beattles suck. I should of known better than to try and pull one over your eyes, your just too clever.
| garyfritz wrote: | draganm wrote:
for 50+ years McDonald's was considered the best restaurant in America, but as it turns out it was just crap after all.
No, it was always crap. It was just cheap and convenient and therefore popular. Nobody ever claimed it was "best." |
Exactly my point, it was popular . That does not make it good. AAMOF popular things are typically not notable from an artistic or creative stand-point. If the Beattles were around today their CD's would be lining the music aisle at Walmart.
| garyfritz wrote: | | Quote: | | Here's 100 reason why they suck |
Monkees copycats, that's hilarious -- considering the Beatles had been performing as a group since 1960 (with Pete Best), started recording (with Ringo Starr) in 1962, and had several international #1 hits and million-selling albums, before the Monkees were ever "invented" (as a fictional band) in 1965. Most of the rest of the list is equally accurate. |
LOL Gary, you actually took that literally? 
my favorite
85) You can't even shag to the Beatles, it'd be like doing it in front of your grandmother.
The Beatles are the most over rated rock and roll band in the history of the genre, followed closely by Led Zeppelin. People who get upset by this are just ignorant. McCartney and Jimmy Page were both sued multiple times, and LOST , for stealing other peoples music. At least Zepp came into their own by Physical grafitti, although a lot of those songs were stolen blues tunes as well. McCartney lost all his copyright battles and the stuff they actually wrote was dreck. Zeppelin, despite stealing most of their music, at least had a lot of musical and vocal talent to back up their stardom. Do a search on how many songs the Beatles had to call in musical talent to help them play their own songs.
On personal levels they were ******* too, McCartney, what did he do with his millions, bought up the rights to others peoples music so he could re-sell it to marketing companies. Talk about a real music lover. Lennon abandoned his own son, ran off with Yoko, and despite singing about "imagining no possessions" died with 150 million in the bank. Do a search on the "the Beatles suck" and read for yourself what a dog and pony show the whole Beatles thing really is. Or just cling to whatever popular notions you have about them.
I think the second one is a lot easier for the 60's generation because to really look at the Beattles is to look at themselves, a bunch of Phonies. The 60's generation was all about love and sharing and human rights, right up until the point where they acquired enough wealth and started voting Republican. Reminds me of Boulder, CO. Mercedes Benz Liberals, Phonies with their million dollar homes, $100K cars, and Beatles albums in the basement, on vinyl, from the good old days when they protested against Richard Nixon. Makes we want to f*cking PUKE .
You guys might get upset or rankled by my opinions, but what you see is what you get , and the things I believe in aren't for sale.
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Phil Smith
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Like I said, you may not like the Beatles, for whatever reason. And that's fine. But to say they were no good is f*cking ridiculous. It makes you look like an idiot.
I'm not a big classical fan. Don't care for it much at all. But I would never say that Bach and Beethoven suck because I know that's not true. In spite of my lack of affection for their music, I know that they are music Gods!
Truly, your problem is you don't know anything about music. Otherwise you would know how foolish you sound.
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garyfritz
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No, his problem is that he has very strong opinions, and he is convinced that ONLY his opinion is valid, and anybody who holds any other opinion is an idiot.
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draganm
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| Phil Smith wrote: | Like I said, you may not like the Beatles, for whatever reason. And that's fine. But to say they were no good is f*cking ridiculous. It makes you look like an idiot.
I'm not a big classical fan. Don't care for it much at all. But I would never say that Bach and Beethoven suck because I know that's not true. In spite of my lack of affection for their music, I know that they are music Gods!
Truly, your problem is you don't know anything about music. Otherwise you would know how foolish you sound. |
Phil's response doesn't surprise me, The guy who repeatedly bitched to the moderators until he ruined the OT forum, flies off and calls me an Idiot in the music forum simply because he disagrees with me, Nice. Unlike you Phil, I'm not to go and cry to the mod's over your name-calling because I'm just not a giant cry-baby.
| garyfritz wrote: | | No, his problem is that he has very strong opinions, and he is convinced that ONLY his opinion is valid, and anybody who holds any other opinion is an idiot. |
Your response does surprise me Gary, I never said anyone who disagrees with me is any Idiot. I said anyone who believes the Beatles were this gigantic musical talent that revolutionized music is ignorant.
| Quote: | Ignorant: adjective
1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned:
an ignorant man.
2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: |
I posted specific reasons why I thought they were an over-rated Boy band and that their influence on music was made out to be something it never was. I've yet to see any specific examples to the contrary. By examples I mean something other than polls like the one in LA weekly that that listed Neil Pert as #18 in all time greatest rock drummer behind Shela E at #6.
Lets hear from Notable musical talents that said " We were influenced heavily by the Beatles" , or a musical style that they were the first to record, or some notable talent musically. I asked you guys to do some reading for yourself, but all I've seen is laziness and personal attacks on me. Oh well 
Here's another example of musically historical fact. George Harrison was probably the most musically talented of the bunch, but his guitar didn't really weep after all, they had to hire Eric Clapton to play that song and didn't even give him credit for it on the album. I guess being honest doesn't matter when your an over-hyped boy-band.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/While_My_Guitar_Gently_Weeps
If you want ot read another 100 examples of where other people had to Help them musically, just do a search.
They were good song-writers, some of them were good musicians but if you compare them to the "legend of the Beatles " as the second coming of Christ that revolutionized music? Compared to that Urban legend, they sucked.
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