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draganm
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Back on topic, yesterdays play list while I did laundry. Really great music from awesome musicians that plotted their own destiny
Jethro Tull, Aqualung, entire album
Dire Straits, Love Over Gold- first side with Telegraph Road and Private Investigations
Traffic, on the Road (their only live album)- Side 4 - Low spark of High heeled boys
Almost pulled out a Beatles LP from my extensive Beatles Vinyl collection, but then I remembered THEY SUCK ! : )
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garyfritz
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| draganm wrote: | | garyfritz wrote: | | No, his problem is that he has very strong opinions, and he is convinced that ONLY his opinion is valid, and anybody who holds any other opinion is an idiot. |
Your response does surprise me Gary, I never said anyone who disagrees with me is any Idiot. |
Maybe you didn't use the word. This time. But your attitude in many many posts on many topics makes it very clear that's where you're coming from, and you're definitely coming off that way in this discussion.
| Quote: | | I posted specific reasons why I thought they were an over-rated Boy band and that their influence on music was made out to be something it never was. I've yet to see any specific examples to the contrary. |
You don't think the Beatles were a big influence on music? Did you ever try googling "influenced by the Beatles" ?
Here are a few random examples of musicians who say the Beatles had a huge impact on them:
Dave Grohl, Curt Cobain, Joe Walsh, Brian Wilson (Beach Boys), Nancy Wilson (Heart), Billy Joel, Mamas and the Papas, Roger McGuinn, Joni effin' Mitchell, Bruce Springsteen, hell, even Gene Simmons!!
http://www.rockcellarmagazine.com/2014/02/04/top-11-musicians-influenced-by-the-beatles-50th-anniversary
Elvis Costello: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-artists-of-all-time-19691231/the-beatles-20110420
And there are lots of others. Just google. A huge number of major rock performers of the 1970-2000 period list the Beatles as a huge influence. You think you know music better than Joni, Springsteen, Grohl, and those others, Dragan !?
You hate the Beatles, fine. You're allowed to have your own opinion. But your personal feelings don't overrule the reverence and enjoyment of a whole lot of very talented and successful musicians.
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El Duderino
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| garyfritz wrote: | | draganm wrote: | | I posted specific reasons why I thought they were an over-rated Boy band and that their influence on music was made out to be something it never was. I've yet to see any specific examples to the contrary. |
You don't think the Beatles were a big influence on music? Did you ever try googling "influenced by the Beatles" ? |
Agreed Gary. The RollingStone voters who placed SPLHCB at #1 and put (4) of the top 10 albums of all time to The Beatles is in the link I posted earlier. It's a huge list that includes prominent and respected musicians, artists, engineers, critics, and executives. In short, music professionals and insiders, not the unwashed masses of consumers.
In terms of purchases by the ignorant unwashed masses, #1 goes to Michael Jackson: Thriller, by nearly a 2X margin over #2 PF: DSOTM. Now drags might say that MJ was an overrated no-talent as well, and I won't argue it much with him, but I think Thriller was an awesome album and an awesome piece of work too. (I did like DSOTM much more though)
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draganm
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| garyfritz wrote: | Here are a few random examples of musicians who say the Beatles had a huge impact on them:
Dave Grohl, Curt Cobain, Joe Walsh, Brian Wilson (Beach Boys), Nancy Wilson (Heart), Billy Joel, Mamas and the Papas, Roger McGuinn, Joni effin' Mitchell, Bruce Springsteen, hell, even Gene Simmons!!
http://www.rockcellarmagazine.com/2014/02/04/top-11-musicians-influenced-by-the-beatles-50th-anniversary |
I only listen to 3 of those musicians, and what I read from all of them was along the lines of " I listened to Rubber Soul when I was 14 until I wore out the grooves", or " I saw them on the Ed Sullivan show" , then I wanted to become a musician".
That's not really what I meant by "influenced by musically or artistically" but never mind, this thread is getting ugly.
| garyfritz wrote: | | draganm wrote: | | garyfritz wrote: | | No, his problem is that he has very strong opinions, and he is convinced that ONLY his opinion is valid, and anybody who holds any other opinion is an idiot. |
Your response does surprise me Gary, I never said anyone who disagrees with me is any Idiot. |
Maybe you didn't use the word. This time. But your attitude in many many posts on many topics makes it very clear that's where you're coming from, and you're definitely coming off that way in this discussion.. |
Wow, this I had to read, walk away from for 2 hours, then come back to. I don't even where to begin. Phil, who spews out "IDIOT" and breaks forum rules doesn't even get a mention, but You feel like your justified in judging me based on "where you think " I'm coming from or because you feel like " I came off that way" here or
in some other post,
in a forum I've hardly posted in over the last 2 months. WTF 
I remember that even in the most heated arguments in OT forum , you Gary were one of the most level headed people that could strike a balance between the extreme sides of arguments. Arguments I admittedly inflamed on occasion for my own amusement.
Yet here you are now, sh*ting all over me in a topic about Turntables, where multiple people who don't even own a TT have been free to jump in and post second-hand , uninformed opinions, for something you think I implied or insinuated. What the hell just happened here? Are we going to start calling our employers now and snitching people out for posting something during the work-day?
Over 2 months ago, when a moderator referred to me as "someone I've consistently had problems with" , I decided it was time to stop posting in OT. Now, even a normal discussion in the friggin Audio forum can't occur without someone being accused of something they didn't do.
=Second foot, half-way out the door 
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garyfritz
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I'm just being straight with you, Dragan. In my opinion you've gotten a lot more bellicose in the last few years, more than the "stir up sh*t for your own amusement" you used to do. You may not realize how you appear to other people. I'm just holding up the mirror for you, as I see it.
I agree Phil is frequently way out of line. Again, that seems to happen more often recently. I don't THINK it's me... 
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Phil Smith
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| garyfritz wrote: | | Here are a few random examples of musicians who say the Beatles had a huge impact on them: |
That's a ridiculously incomplete list, Gary. Almost all musicians will cite the Beatles as a major influence. Oasis is so obviously influenced by the Beatles that they almost sound like a Beatles tribute band.
In 1971-73 I took a half day of music courses in high school. In one of my theory classes the teacher gushed over the Beatles incredible abundance work and wide variety of styles produced in a very short period of time. He also commented on the melody structure of I believe Yessterday or maybe Blackbird. It broke many of the rules yet didn't sound like it did. Pretty innovative song for the time. This guy was a trombone player who was into symphonic and concert band music. Rock was not his thing. But he still recognized the greatness of the Beatles, as any person knowledgeable about music does.
The Beatles greatness is NOT an opinion. It's simply a fact.
draganm you're an odd fellow. I don't know why anyone bothers arguing with you. I'm certainly done.
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jask
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| Phil Smith wrote: | | draganm wrote: | | I like John Bohnman, but he was mainly known for playing very loudly, breaking his sticks, and getting kicked out of bars and pubs . AFA rock drummers, I would have to put Moon and Pert tied at #1 |
Bohnman is the #1 drummer in almost all polls. He pretty much invented hard rock drumming and is one of my favorite drummers. I never cared for Moon. Just like his personal life, his drumming is way over done and out of control. For prog rock drumming, I'd take Mike Portney over Neal Pert, but I like Pert too. |
I I would put Stewart Copeland ahead of Pert... and I like Rush! what about steve Gadd, ...or max Roach who would would kill them all..joe Morello, ginger Baker... moon is way down the list...
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Clarence
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| jask wrote: | | I I would put Stewart Copeland ahead of Pert... and I like Rush! what about steve Gadd, ...or max Roach who would would kill them all..joe Morello, ginger Baker... moon is way down the list... |
I've always thought Dave Matthew's drummer, Carter Beauford, is very, very good. Looks like he's made the RS Top 10...
| wikipedia wrote: | Beauford was ranked by a Rolling Stone magazine reader's poll in 2010 as the tenth greatest drummer of all time.
Beauford was first exposed to the drums at age three. At the time, his father had bought tickets to a Buddy Rich concert and could not find someone to watch his son, so he took young Beauford along to the show. Beauford was mesmerized by Buddy Rich on stage. After that show, Beauford's father bought his son a tin drum set...
...attributing his use of left-hand-lead on a right-handed kit to playing his own kit in front of a mirror as a child in an attempt to emulate his favorite drummers, like Buddy Rich. He unknowingly set up his drums in reverse of whichever performer and set that he had in mind, in an attempt to make the mirrored image of himself match that of the audience's perspective, as he had seen it on stage and TV. This helped him to become completely ambidextrous at a very early age, albeit by accident. |
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Phil Smith
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| jask wrote: | | Phil Smith wrote: | | draganm wrote: | | I like John Bohnman, but he was mainly known for playing very loudly, breaking his sticks, and getting kicked out of bars and pubs . AFA rock drummers, I would have to put Moon and Pert tied at #1 |
Bohnman is the #1 drummer in almost all polls. He pretty much invented hard rock drumming and is one of my favorite drummers. I never cared for Moon. Just like his personal life, his drumming is way over done and out of control. For prog rock drumming, I'd take Mike Portney over Neal Pert, but I like Pert too. |
I I would put Stewart Copeland ahead of Pert... and I like Rush! what about steve Gadd, ...or max Roach who would would kill them all..joe Morello, ginger Baker... moon is way down the list... |
Hah! We agree on something! Copeland is my favorite drummer, period. But I'm not sure what you would categorize him as. He kind of has a style all his own. Certainly not prog rock. What were the Police? A punk band? New wave? Reggae? Pop? Hard to categorize them too.
Kudos to you, jask. Not many non-musicians ever mention Copeland. He's kind of a musician's musician. 
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draganm
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| jask wrote: | | I I would put Stewart Copeland ahead of Pert... and I like Rush! what about steve Gadd, ...or max Roach who would would kill them all..joe Morello, ginger Baker... moon is way down the list... |
yeah the discussion was strictly about "Rock drummers" , with jazz drummers being acknowledged as better musicians, even by the best rock drummers themselves.
I just watched the Police in concert on Blue ray last Sunday, from the 2007 tour, if you don't have that one it's a "must have" , if you can find it . Stewart Copeland is excellent, judging by the way he holds the sticks suggest a jazz background, but he claims to be allergic to JAzz : )
from Wiki
Drumming
Copeland is known for precise, energetic, and creative reggae-influenced drumming along with a Lebanese-influenced style.[22] His distinctive sound centers on a hard, high-pitched crack on a snare or rimshot, and subtle hi-hat work with understated flourishes.
Despite being left-handed, Copeland plays drums like a right-handed drummer, with the hi-hat on his left and ride cymbal and floor toms on his right. He played his snare drum in a very peculiar way: from big booming hits to jazzy counter-tempo to soft beating on the ridge. During his years with The Police, he became known for engaging only the hi-hat with bass drum to keep the beat on many Police tracks. Copeland is a master of the syncopated beat, and his distinct approach consolidates his position as an important drummer on the world stage, subsequently influencing generations of drummers.
In an interview with Modern Drummer, Copeland has cited Mitch Mitchell of the Jimi Hendrix Experience as a prime musical influence. He states that as a child, whenever he had a song or melody pop up in his head, he would walk around wondering how Mitch Mitchell would drum to that particular tune. He also states that due to his 'enforced listening' to Buddy Rich, he considers himself a being 'allergic to jazz.'
Copeland is also noted for his strong emphasis on the groove as a complement to the song, rather than as its core component. He once drove this point home at a drum clinic: Copeland announced that he would show the audience something "that very few modern drummers can do," and proceeded to play a simple rock beat for two minutes.[23] Nonetheless, his playing often incorporates spectacular fills and subtle inflections which greatly augment the groove. Compared to most of his 1980s contemporaries, Copeland's snare sound was very bright and cutting. Another novelty was his use of splash cymbals. He is also one of the few rock drummers to use the traditional grip rather than the matched grip.
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Phil Smith
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| draganm wrote: | | In an interview with Modern Drummer, Copeland has cited Mitch Mitchell of the Jimi Hendrix Experience as a prime musical influence. |
Another of my favorite drummers. A jazz drummer in a psychedelic rock band sounds like a bad idea, but somehow it really worked.
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Clarence
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Probably too obscure for most of you, but my favorite album from my favorite college band.
And I finally found a copy for my collection. Sealed since 1986 until about an hour ago...
"Scarred But Smarter" by Drivin' 'n' Cryin'
OMG, it sounds SO good!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqj6nHhJtl8
I also got a sealed copy of Alabama Shakes "Boys & Girls" this weekend. And it came with a 45 for the jukebox
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Nashou66
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Clarence
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Love Drivin and Cryin!!! I forgot about them!
How did you find an un open copy original!!!! |
Amazon Marketplace. There is another seller (sealed, 688 label, no UPC), but it's $53.99 
I almost felt guilty opening it. But as D'n'C says later... a toy never played with is not a toy at all. Loved the old-school hand-crafted folded liner note insert. Giddy listening to it.
For something even more obscure, a couple of weeks ago I got a 3 LP lot of Fetchin' Bones albums. They played at a little dive bar theater across from campus 30 years ago... really brought back some fun memories of that era.
| Wikipedia wrote: | Fetchin Bones was a cross-genre rock band from North Carolina. During a six-year career they produced five albums but were most celebrated for their consistently inspired live performances. As one reviewer put it they were "a band that must be seen live for a full grasp of their eclectic frenzy".
During numerous tours Fetchin Bones supported such well known acts as R.E.M., the B52s, X and the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Allmusic described the band as "a truly underrated group that didn't hit it big when they should've". |
Other recent vinyl favorites: Wire Train, The The, BoDeans, Hoodoo Gurus, Smithereens (saw them in concert last week), Del Fuegos, Rave Ups.
I also have a vinyl copy of Drivin' n Cryin's "Whisper Tames the Lion" on the way from Europe.
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| Clarence wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | Love Drivin and Cryin!!! I forgot about them!
How did you find an un open copy original!!!! |
Amazon Marketplace. There is another seller (sealed, 688 label, no UPC), but it's $53.99
I almost felt guilty opening it. But as D'n'C says later... a toy never played with is not a toy at all. Loved the old-school hand-crafted folded liner note insert. Giddy listening to it.
For something even more obscure, a couple of weeks ago I got a 3 LP lot of Fetchin' Bones albums. They played at a little dive bar theater across from campus 30 years ago... really brought back some fun memories of that era.
| Wikipedia wrote: | Fetchin Bones was a cross-genre rock band from North Carolina. During a six-year career they produced five albums but were most celebrated for their consistently inspired live performances. As one reviewer put it they were "a band that must be seen live for a full grasp of their eclectic frenzy".
During numerous tours Fetchin Bones supported such well known acts as R.E.M., the B52s, X and the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Allmusic described the band as "a truly underrated group that didn't hit it big when they should've". |
Other recent vinyl favorites: Wire Train, The The, BoDeans, Hoodoo Gurus, Smithereens (saw them in concert last week), Del Fuegos, Rave Ups.
I also have a vinyl copy of Drivin' n Cryin's "Whisper Tames the Lion" on the way from Europe. |
Are you my ,lost twin brother?
lol
I love those types of bands !!!
I miss being young and all the shows I use to go to.
Next week going to see some new bands, The Imagine Dragons and , a Canadian band I love, Metric. Playing together at the First Niagara Center in Buffalo.
Nashou
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draganm
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| Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Clarence wrote: | | I almost felt guilty opening it. But as D'n'C says later... a toy never played with is not a toy at all. Loved the old-school hand-crafted folded liner note insert. Giddy listening to it. |
congrats, I think a nice chunk of the fun of Vinyl is finding these little gems. The band is a little unusual, a college punk rock sound from Georgia? I do appreciate any band that can write their own lyrics though, and scarred but smarter has good verse.
| Clarence wrote: | | Other recent vinyl favorites: Wire Train, The The, BoDeans, Hoodoo Gurus, Smithereens (saw them in concert last week), Del Fuegos, Rave Ups. |
your right, the 80's was my time as a young man but I don't recall any of those although a couple sound familiar
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Clarence
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| Nashou66 wrote: | | Are you my ,lost twin brother? |
If I'm somehow unknowingly Greek, that would explain a lot... I grill and eat more lamb than any white boy you've ever known (one of our friends have a farm, so I have freshly butchered lamb several times a month); cook like a mad man; grow my own basil, mint, thyme, parsley, oregano, dill, and rosemary; love spanakopita and baklava, and love Ouzo and Tsipouro even more
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garyfritz
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| draganm wrote: | | Clarence wrote: | | Other recent vinyl favorites: Wire Train, The The, BoDeans, Hoodoo Gurus, Smithereens (saw them in concert last week), Del Fuegos, Rave Ups. |
your right, the 80's was my time as a young man but I don't recall any of those although a couple sound familiar |
You're kidding me! I'm an old fart and I know all of those except Wire Train and Rave Ups. The BoDeans, Smithereens, and Del Fuegos were semi-popular bands at one point.
Clarence, I don't drink much Tsipouro but other than that I'm with ya. Though a lot of the Ouzo I drink is Turkish due to an attractive Turkish friend of mine. 
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Are those like the ultra high end designer fuses that cost $80 a piece?
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