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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:11 pm Post subject: This was made for CRT |
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I saw on AVS that the Teranex VPs are significantly cheaper. The 2D model is $2k and the 3D model is $4k. This is down from $90k originally, which was reduced to $20k last year. I have never seen one, but those in the know say it is the pinnacle of VPs. The Lumagen has a couple of features that the Teranex doesn't. It will be interesting to see if Lumagen and DVDO adjust their pricing.
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/teranex/models/
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HaydnG90
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Those back lite buttons are going to kill the CR in a HT room.
Seriously though can these units do 1080P at 72Hz or better?
Looking at the specs, it seems that 1080/60 is the highest resolution. Shame. I'd be interested a VP that could to 1080/72 for $2K.
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Spanky Ham
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There might be a way to disable the lights.
Unfortunately, it doesn't do 72p (one of the advantages of the Lumagen). My guess is they didn't include it, because I think most displays (consumer and post) are doing 60p. On the other hand, it may be something that could be added.
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/teranex/techspecs/
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garyfritz
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | There might be a way to disable the lights. |
Judiciously applied electrical tape worked for me. 
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jbmeyer13
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I remember that VP from back in the day. Chris Stephens used that with a modded 9500LC stack at the CES years ago. I think the demo was Star Wars TPM DVD at 480i upscaled to 1080i and then piped through a Faroudja DVP-5000 to convert to 1080p/60.
I don't see 1920 x 800P/72 output res, CMS or porch adjustment; all of which a Lumagen HDQ could do (let alone a Radiance). Also no blend feature. So what can this provide that isn't aleady available?
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AnalogRocks
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| garyfritz wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | | There might be a way to disable the lights. |
Judiciously applied electrical tape worked for me. |
Hammer works just as well
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HaydnG90
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | garyfritz wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | | There might be a way to disable the lights. |
Judiciously applied electrical tape worked for me. |
Hammer works just as well |
Tough on resale though....
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Gannon
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It had a current draw enough to trip the circuit breakers in the demo room in Indianapolis for one CEDIA show...I remember meeting the Teranex guys in the DTS room at an earlier CES. Their first question was what my security clearance was...LOL...I told them I was in the hifi industry for a reason.
This will be some of the only circuitry to survive an EMP blast...the ICs and circuitry are the same nested Faraday designs brought into play after that Nuclear Decapitation study in the early 80s. Teranex engineers knew no other way to build stuff, THAT is why it was $90k and drew 20amps and could heat a few rooms!
Sigh, but I'd STILL love to have this beast...part of my ever-growing collection of great stuff from the golden years of home theater. I'd put it next to the Faroudja VP-400.
Cheers!
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Gannon
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Oh, just looked at the site...these are much more current models.
Originally, when they used numbers for model designations, it was how many RACK heights they consumed...LOL...
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Gannon
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This is the first product I've seen to employ the new Thunderbolt computer connection...other than the video display and some hard-drive available from Apple.
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Gannon
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Anyone fathom a reason why their 3d model needs TWO AC connections?! TOO weird...
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Gannon
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I'll tell you why this is better than Jim's units...Blackmagic Ultrascope.
Good lord, now I need one.
Damnit.
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ecrabb
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| Gannon wrote: | | Anyone fathom a reason why their 3d model needs TWO AC connections?! TOO weird... |
| Blackmagic specs wrote: | | 2 x built-in international AC power supplies with IEC C14 inlets for failover redundancy. 120-240V, 50-60Hz. |
Redundancy. One PSU dies, the equipment stays up. Common in enterprise computer hardware.
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Gannon
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Curious...the 3D unit warrants such, but not the 2D.
Thanks!
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ecrabb
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Not so curious, really. It isn't that the 3D features warrant the redundancy, but more that they're both higher-end "nichey" pro features. It's the professional's professional piece, if you will... Need 3D? Get the more expensive 3D model. Need failover redundancy for 24/7 uninterrupted operation? Get the more expensive 3D model. Need a lot more processing flexibility? Get the more expensive 3D model.
Don't need any of that extra stuff? Here... Here's a model that's half the price.
That's the other way to look it at... The 3D model was the piece they originally engineered. Then, they stripped out a bunch of features to make the 2D model so they could offer it at a significantly lower price to a wider audience.
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MikeEby
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | There might be a way to disable the lights.
Unfortunately, it doesn't do 72p (one of the advantages of the Lumagen). My guess is they didn't include it, because I think most displays (consumer and post) are doing 60p. On the other hand, it may be something that could be added.
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/teranex/techspecs/ |
Seems over priced still...I've been running 1080p@72Hz from my $400 HTPC for 5 years. Just stirring the pot  .... Seriously I don't see anything about a CMS...Which is IMO a major selling point for a VP.
EDIT:
Is this mean it has true CMS?
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/teranex/techspecs/
Includes noise reduction, cadence detection with insertion/removal and cadence correction, scene cut detection, color correction, and proc amp control.
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| ecrabb wrote: | | Need 3D? Get the more expensive 3D model. Need failover redundancy for 24/7 uninterrupted operation? Get the more expensive 3D model. Need a lot more processing flexibility? Get the more expensive 3D model. |
Got more money than sense? Get the more expensive 3D model. Need to buy stupidly-expensive toys to prove your manhood? Get the more expensive 3D model.
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ecrabb
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Are you kidding, Gary? This is pro video equipment. $5,000 is CHEAP for a lot of pro video production gear. A nice NLE/post suite with standards conversion, control surface, decks, displays, storage, etc. can run well over $100k.
A few years ago, a few pieces of gear to accomplish what the Blackmagic box does was probably the price of a nice Lexus or BMW. This piece at five grand is actually a bargain.
It may not make a lot of sense for HT users because of the price, but it's a hell of a piece of gear.
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jbmeyer13
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| ecrabb wrote: | Are you kidding, Gary? This is pro video equipment. $5,000 is CHEAP for a lot of pro video production gear. A nice NLE/post suite with standards conversion, control surface, decks, displays, storage, etc. can run well over $100k.
A few years ago, a few pieces of gear to accomplish what the Blackmagic box does was probably the price of a nice Lexus or BMW. This piece at five grand is actually a bargain.
It may not make a lot of sense for HT users because of the price, but it's a hell of a piece of gear.
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So if it doesn't make sense for HT users, who exactly is the target market? I'm genuinely curious as to who would purchase this equipment rather than a Lumagen and what tactical advantage would it provide?
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| jbmeyer13 wrote: | | So if it doesn't make sense for HT users, who exactly is the target market? I'm genuinely curious as to who would purchase this equipment rather than a Lumagen and what tactical advantage would it provide? |
| Blackmagicdesign site headline wrote: | | The world’s leading standards converter lets you move between hundreds of video formats instantly! |
It's really intended for the professional video production market, for standards conversion in a video production workflow. This product really isn't aimed at the display market it all. Though it could be used in that capacity, that's really not its raison d'ętre.
Here's the deal: There are tens-of-thousands of video editing and post production suites all over the world. Everything from ENG (electronic news gathering) to indie film production, from documentary/special-interest to commercial/industrial video. They often take video into the studio in one format, and need to edit/master in another, and finally output in yet another (or multiple formats). This box makes all that fast and simple - and as good-looking as is possible.
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