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gjaky
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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No, The TAC-4s are useless for even video signals  In my case the thinest blue line was twice as thick as the green.
With the HD6s the red is acceptable at 1080i with only red, but the green is too blurry. Now I use it at 720P and im statisfied with that.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Hmmm, i can get the green just as sharp as the red with my HD-6s, are you using the short focus binoculars for focusing?? You can get them way more in focus with those 
Ive compared the TAC-4s to the HD-6s on the same projector using a 1001-QM, almost brand new tubes, and both were pretty much the same at 240p. 576i is as high as that projector will go, and i didnt try that with both lenses.
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Blockbullie
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:02 pm Post subject: don't try this at home |
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I know your not suppose to adjust the B/ BKG , G/BKG or the red pots ,but thats what makes the line flare out, at least It did on mine , I was unable to get the green to focus , no mater what I did . by tweeking just a scoche down , I was able to get the green dimmer, then the line was tight and the I was able focous that tube. but I don't know what the long turn outcome will have on the tube , or for the board.
then again mybe mine just really needed an ociliscope put on it 
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Blockbullie
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What year of production of the runco 991 was the 852 modle anything after june 98 ?
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gjaky
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I've rechecked the 1080i thing, it doesn't that bas as I remember, I'll post some picture soon
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:10 am Post subject: |
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BlockBullie, the DTV 991 i have is a 2000 model and still an XG75.
| Blockbullie wrote: | I know your not suppose to adjust the B/ BKG , G/BKG or the red pots ,but thats what makes the line flare out, at least It did on mine , I was unable to get the green to focus , no mater what I did . by tweeking just a scoche down , I was able to get the green dimmer, then the line was tight and the I was able focous that tube. but I don't know what the long turn outcome will have on the tube , or for the board.
then again mybe mine just really needed an ociliscope put on it |
Why didnt you turn down the white balance setting for the green instead?? You shouldnt be f***en with that sh**.
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Blockbullie
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:08 am Post subject: |
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I tried the white balance on both the blue and the green but the were still flared . when I checked the asting It was also flared to the point I could'nt even get the magnets ajusted . all good now, mybe I just got lucky.
Thanks for the info on the runco I 'm surprized that its a 751 acording to the rundate you would think It's a 852.
Can you use the acat system to converge .
On my 852 I hit adj. / converge / point / and then acat is an option prity sweet get it prity close and then I just fine tune it from there.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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I dont use ACAT no, ive tried it, sure its quick, but i dont think its the best way to go about it.
Maybe someone has played with them prior to you owning the set...
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Kayrjay
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Thanks to draganm and CasetheCorvetteman ... this week I received my EXT-FULLHD V3 3D from Moome, and will have it installed in a couple of days. There remains a question ... my tech who does the convergence/tuning of the Runco 991 Ultra says that it's not bright enough for 3D, and that I should plan for 720p only. Now I'm confused ... I guess we'll try the 1080i, but what do you think about the 3D issue?
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gjaky
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Your tech is clearly not qualified enough
1080I is less stress for the pj than the 720P.
I don't use myself a 3D setup, but many fellow from this site doing it already, and as I follow the threads non of them complained about the lack of brghtness.
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Blockbullie
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Well If I was paying some one. I think I would have him set it up for 720p and 1080I, and let you be he judge . just remember to make copys so you can have one for 2.35 and one for 16.9 .If you have a decent screen and can watch with no excess light on It may be ok, one of the other factors is If your cieling and wall are light in color. the reflection off the screen and onto walls /ceiling and back to screen diminishes the picture. just remember your the boss....
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Blockbullie
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Well If I was paying some one. I think I would have him set it up for 720p and 1080I, and let you be he judge . just remember to make copys so you can have one for 2.35 and one for 16.9 .If you have a decent screen and can watch with no excess light on It may be ok, one of the other factors is If your cieling and wall are light in color. the reflection off the screen and onto walls /ceiling and back to screen diminishes the picture. just remember your the boss....
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Kayrjay
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Thanks, guys. Good suggestions/info. My room is dark with a black, non-reflective ceiling. I'll certainly try for 1080i and test 3D. If 3D doesn't work, well, I'll return the glasses. Thanks for the encouragement!
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Blockbullie
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keep us informed after the setup, what you think of the 3d card. My kids love 3d , but the cost of the upgrade is questionable to me.
heck my nec seams to have depth now without upgrades.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| gjaky wrote: | Your tech is clearly not qualified enough
1080I is less stress for the pj than the 720P.
I don't use myself a 3D setup, but many fellow from this site doing it already, and as I follow the threads non of them complained about the lack of brghtness. |
Yep, i agree totally. With all of it.
Not bright enough my arse, thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. Its a 1,100 lumen projector, and with the very high contrast ratio, itll be EASILY bright enough in the right conditions.
Definately set up every source you plan to put into the projector, 1920x1080i and 1280x720p are a CERTAIN MUST. You dont need a different input for different aspects, just do what i did if you can:
5:4
1.78:1
2.35:1
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Kayrjay
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Ok I have a mess. Nothing works as I expected it would ...
Runco 991 Ultra
Denon 3312 IC
DirecTV HR21
Samsung Blu-Ray DVD
Apple TV 2
Roku XR
Moome EXT-FULLHD
HDfury3
The intent is/was to connect the several sources to the Denon via HDMI, and have the HDMI output of the Denon go through the Moome box to the projector via RGBHV. Seems simple (?).
DirecTV works when connected this way, even up to 1080p. None of the other sources work ... no video at all.
But, when either the DVR or Apple TV is connected directly to the Moome box via HDMI, the Moome box puts out a nice image to the projector via RGB. So, the Moome box seems to do what it says ... converting HDMI to RGB.
When the DVD or Apple TV is connected to the Denon, but the output from the Denon is not connected to anything, the Denon recognizes these devices as legitimate HDMI sources, indicating "HDMI" on the front. If, while those sources are connected, we plug in the Moome box to the output of the Denon, it no longer says "HDMI", and we get no image.
So, straight to the projector via the Moome box, the DVD and Apple TV work fine, but not if the Denon is used between them and the Moome box.
Is this a problem with the Denon? Is it "too strict" re HDCP? Or is there an EDID problem? Why does the DirecTV DVR work, but the other devices don't?
What should I do? I don't want to replace my expensive, low-hours Runco (and rewire to a new HDMI projector). Do I need a couple of HDCP "strippers"? (Where do i get those, and will they work?) Can I do something else so everything is done in component (realizing there may be some content I won't be able to watch at all)?
Errgg ....
P.S. I had the HDFury3 from before when I used it to convert the Apple TV to component, using my old, now-departed Lexicon DC2. Using it in place of the Moome box (between the Denon and the projector, to convert HDMI to RGB) works (rather does NOT work) in the same way as the Moome box.
You expert advice and suggestions would be most welcome!
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Kayrjay
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Ok I have a mess. Nothing works as I expected it would ...
Runco 991 Ultra
Denon 3312 IC
DirecTV HR21
Samsung Blu-Ray DVD
Apple TV 2
Roku XR
Moome EXT-FULLHD
HDfury3
The intent is/was to connect the several sources to the Denon via HDMI, and have the HDMI output of the Denon go through the Moome box to the projector via RGBHV. Seems simple (?).
DirecTV works when connected this way, even up to 1080p. None of the other sources work ... no video at all.
But, when either the DVR or Apple TV is connected directly to the Moome box via HDMI, the Moome box puts out a nice image to the projector via RGB. So, the Moome box seems to do what it says ... converting HDMI to RGB.
When the DVD or Apple TV is connected to the Denin, but the output from the Denon is not connected to anything, the Denon recognizes these devices as legitimate HDMI sources, indicating "HDMI" on the front. If, while those sources are connected, we plug in the Moome box to the output of the Denon, it no longer says "HDMI", and we get no image.
So, straight to the projector via the Moome box, the DVD and Apple TV work fine, but not if the Denon is used between them and the Moome box.
Is this a problem with the Denon? Is it "too strict" re HDCP? Or is there an EDID problem? Why does the DirecTV DVR work, but the other devices don't?
What should I do? I don't want to replace my expensive, low-hours Runco (and rewire to a new HDMI projector). Do I need a couple of HDCP "strippers"? (Where do i get those, and will they work?) Can I do something else so everything is done in component (realizing there may be some content I won't be able to watch at all)?
Errgg ....
P.S. I had the HDFury3 from before when I used it to convert the Apple TV to component, using my old, now-departed Lexicon DC2. Using it in place of the Moome box (between the Denon and the projector, to convert HDMI to RGB) works (rather does NOT work) in the same way as the Moome box.
You expert advice and suggestions would be most welcome!
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draganm
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Kayrjay wrote: | | The intent is/was to connect the several sources to the Denon via HDMI, and have the HDMI output of the Denon go through the Moome box to the projector via RGBHV. Seems simple (?).need a couple of HDCP "strippers"? (Where do i get those, and will they work?) Can I do something else so everything is done in component (realizing there may be some content I won't be able to watch at all)?! |
there's something wrong with that Denon. Have you downloaded and installed all the updates for it?
I just finished a HT hooked up exactly like you outlined. Only difference is the receiver is a current model Marantz SR5006 with all the latest HDCP crap on it I'm sure. Both the cable box and BD player worked with no issues.
BTW, the F3 and MUX are both HDCP strippers. You should have told us you had the F3, didn't really need the MUX
Only other issue I could imagine is a cable issue but judeging by your gear I'm guessing your suing newer cables wit hthe higher signal rating?
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Kayrjay
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Thanks, draganm. I couldn't find any new firmware for the Denon, so I think it's current. I also thought about cables, but we've swapped those (and which input ports we were using) around to no effect. I was greedy in getting the EXT-FULLHD, as it is the "latest and greatest", with support for HDMI 1.4, including 3D.
I was wondering if there might be a solution in an HDMI-in, HDMI-out stripper so the input to the Denon would be HDCP-free. Then the Denon might not be so fussy.
I'm stumped.
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draganm
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| Kayrjay wrote: | I was wondering if there might be a solution in an HDMI-in, HDMI-out stripper so the input to the Denon would be HDCP-free. Then the Denon might not be so fussy.
I'm stumped. |
I'm not sure that would work. The Denon might also be looking for an HDCP flag on both ends, not just the source devices. AAMOF it sounds like the Denon is the problem here as the devices work well connected directly to the MUX. It certainly sounds like an HDCP issue though and your not the first to have his.People with HDMI chains all the way to the display device still deal with this stupid Crap pushed on us by American Lawyers.
I would try a different BD player first. Not sure what to do about the Apple TV . I've never heard of an apple TV?
Other option is to replace the AVR, If it's not too late to return it I would get a MArantz.
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