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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:51 pm Post subject: Denon AVR-5805 - No good low frequencies from mains? |
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been messing with this thing since I got it going, and it sound great and has a lot of power.... the one problem I am having with it is the low frequencies...
There are low frequencies, but they seem like they are turned down.. I have gone through the manual and I could not find a loudness setting etc.... Ive messed with the tone control, the room EQ etc... it changes sound but bass does not increase...
for a 170 watt per channel receiver and a $6000 one at that, it does not have the sound of a $6000 unit. I'm sure its mostly me not knowing what the hell I am doing.
However, if any of you have a denon and know how these work please let me know, I am not used to Denons lol
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dturco
Joined: 06 Feb 2009 Posts: 3778 Location: Eastern Shore Maryland
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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There should be a 2 channel "Direct" mode or "DSP off" mode or "Pure mode" or Stereo direct or something like that. If you are running it in theater mode or anything that processes the signal the output will cut the bass at THX Standard 80 Hz... so nothing below 80 Hz will be heard. Or the sub out put is turned down {well actually up like 100 150 200 Hz} in one of the master settings.
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zaphod
Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 2002 Location: Cloverdale
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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on my processor the sub was engaged even if i was in 2channel analog mode. i had to turn off the sub for that setting. i also suspect that your bass is being routed to the sub.
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brenwaterys
Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 70 Location: Spokane, WA
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Have you set the size of your speakers in the receiver to large so it doesn't filter the low frequencies to the sub?
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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On the AVR5805, as per the manual, if my speakers are set to LARGE, the receiver will pass all lower frequencies to the towers as well as the subwoofer. I have also set it to LFE+Main as per the manual to again allow all low frequencies to the speakers.
The low frequencies are there, its just that it seems a lot less powerful than a 100lb 170wpc receiver should be.
I have begun taking the amplifiers out of the working one I have here, and putting them into the one that has a blown amp. Hopefully the other unit will work correctly.
one of the 2 bottom power transformers on the working unit (the one with no bass), gets extremely HOTTT, you cannot touch it if the receiver has been on for a while, so that leads me to beleive it has another issue.
I guess thats the achillies heal with these things, they are huge 100lbs, and very complex, so when one has an issue it could take forever to fix
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WTS
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 1276 Location: Calgary
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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Make sure your speakers are in phase, if not the bass will be cancelling from each bass driver more than the other drivers.
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Tom.W
Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 6635
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Jeremy112 wrote: | On the AVR5805, as per the manual, if my speakers are set to LARGE, the receiver will pass all lower frequencies to the towers as well as the subwoofer. I have also set it to LFE+Main as per the manual to again allow all low frequencies to the speakers.
The low frequencies are there, its just that it seems a lot less powerful than a 100lb 170wpc receiver should be.
I have begun taking the amplifiers out of the working one I have here, and putting them into the one that has a blown amp. Hopefully the other unit will work correctly.
one of the 2 bottom power transformers on the working unit (the one with no bass), gets extremely HOTTT, you cannot touch it if the receiver has been on for a while, so that leads me to beleive it has another issue.
I guess thats the achillies heal with these things, they are huge 100lbs, and very complex, so when one has an issue it could take forever to fix  |
What speakers are you using ? Sounds to me like it could be a speaker issue. Are the woofers 4 or 8 ohm and do they test OK ?
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Tom.W wrote: | | Jeremy112 wrote: | On the AVR5805, as per the manual, if my speakers are set to LARGE, the receiver will pass all lower frequencies to the towers as well as the subwoofer. I have also set it to LFE+Main as per the manual to again allow all low frequencies to the speakers.
The low frequencies are there, its just that it seems a lot less powerful than a 100lb 170wpc receiver should be.
I have begun taking the amplifiers out of the working one I have here, and putting them into the one that has a blown amp. Hopefully the other unit will work correctly.
one of the 2 bottom power transformers on the working unit (the one with no bass), gets extremely HOTTT, you cannot touch it if the receiver has been on for a while, so that leads me to beleive it has another issue.
I guess thats the achillies heal with these things, they are huge 100lbs, and very complex, so when one has an issue it could take forever to fix  |
What speakers are you using ? Sounds to me like it could be a speaker issue. Are the woofers 4 or 8 ohm and do they test OK ? |
I wish I could say it was the speakers, but I have tried 3 different pairs of speakers. All were 4 to 8 ohm speakers (tested with DMM) which is just fine with this receiver.
For the moment I am not using this receiver, I am using the identical 2nd unit I have (or at least trying to ). This second unit does not get anywhere near as hot as the one I am having sound issues with. Therefore I do not think it is a user error.
As far as my 2nd unit goes... Well we shall see by tomorrow how good it is
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macgyver655
Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 8508
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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If your not using a separate sub in the system then you must go into speaker configuration and select "no" for subwoofer.
You can then also go into channel level and increase the output for the front speakers.
The fronts also need to be set at large and select a mode of "stereo" if just using the fronts.
You can also increase the input level of each input you are using. This will also give you stronger base.
As can the EQ which you have already been playing with.
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:21 pm Post subject: Need Help! :| |
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| macgyver655 wrote: | If your not using a separate sub in the system then you must go into speaker configuration and select "no" for subwoofer.
You can then also go into channel level and increase the output for the front speakers.
The fronts also need to be set at large and select a mode of "stereo" if just using the fronts.
You can also increase the input level of each input you are using. This will also give you stronger base.
As can the EQ which you have already been playing with. |
I have tried all that mac, no success
For the time being I put the good power board in the denon we were working on, I have it all fully working except....
The function selector knob will not switch inputs, it just does nothing when moving it, and there is no audio coming out of the speaker terminals. I beleive they are both related but I do not know since I cannot understand the service manual...
it seems like if the receiver gets slightly twisted it will act differently. I have checked almost every board save for the few that are where the audio inputs are (they are impossible to remove without tearing the whole receiver apart)
I also swapped the amp boards from the "working" denon into the one we were working on as well mac, The right channel amps were causing the receiver to go into protection. I am currently working on the bad amp board (it was just severely cracked). Also I had to repair the display as well since one of the text lines did not illuminate.
So not only did it have a power issue, but it had a bad amp, and the display was messed... 3 problems out of the way, and still 1-2 left lmao.
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