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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
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Location: West Seneca NY
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | Any of you guys use linear tracking turn tables with P mount cartriges? |
I have a friends here, one channel is out but there is continuity on all cables from the p mount connector pins to the
rca jacks. I tried to connect his Cart to my head shell wires and run a brush across the needle and no sound out the
right channel so I think its the cart. But then again these technics have a mute circuit when its moving the arm so It might be that too as the connection I made to my head shell wires might not have been good. A 25 dollar new cart will let me know for sure. It is a SL-DL1.
Athanasios
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Glenn Waters
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | Curtis Mathes was like an early Runco, they only relabeled stuff, made nothing themselves. Looks almost like a Pioneer.. |
Actually Curtis Mathes made all of their own turntables, radios, and televisions from 1959 well into the early 1970's. In 1957, Curtis Mathes & Associates purchased a major interest in the Olive-Myers-Spalti Manufacturing Co. The new firm, called Curtis Mathes Manufacturing Company, combined its decades of furniture building and electronics experience, first to enter the hi-fi business and, in 1959, the television industry. With these changes, Curtis Mathes started its tradition of combining top quality video and audio products housed in fine furniture. Please check out my site below:
http://curtismathes.webs.com/
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| Curtis Mathes always had wonderful design in three in one consoles back in the golden age of the early 1960's; as is seen in the Beauty of this wonderful 1961 Curtis Mathes Danish Modern. |
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| Curtis Mathes always had wonderful design in three in one consoles back in the golden age of the early 1960's; as is seen in the Beauty of this wonderful 1961 Curtis Mathes Danish Modern. |
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After I graduated from College in 1982 and I worked for Zenith in their radio design department, and also did some freelancing work for Curtis Mathes in Console design from the years 1982 to 1984. It was always a joy to help lay out a new console television design and see it take form. There was always much more freedom in design at Curtis Mathes so by the mid 1980’s I worked for them exclusively. I worked for the Curtis Mathes Company exclusively from the years 1986 to 1991 as a console television and stereo designer.
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Glenn Waters
Joined: 18 Jan 2013
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Location: Bon Aqua, Tennessee
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| wallace123456 wrote: | Didn't Curtis Mathis do the RCA "recycle/rebrand" stuff on CRT televisions?
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 From 1959 until the mid 1970’s Curtis Mathes made their own CRT’s in Texas, but with the loss of the Austin Plant to the tragic fire they had to turn to RCA, Magnavox, and later JVC to fill their CRT orders. But they usually had private contracts with Zenith and later Hitachi to fill the upper line consoles. The Austin Plant did all the vacuum tube and CRT’s production and research in the early days of Curtis Mathes research and development. The Curtis Mathes Television model B2610RC is example of a Curtis Mathes and Hitachi designed CRT. But this amazing console has ... WOW a Hitachi A66ABU30X Picture Tube, no longer in stock and they sold for $506.07 back when they did have them..
Check out the videos below:
Curtis Mathes Color Console Television made 1987, Playing, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8h3vkc3ASk&feature=share&list=UUJtrrqvXXoZSvJKdL1dn_ZQ
Inside the Chassis of my 1987 Curtis Mathes Color Console Television
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOIgzWmaGJ4&feature=share&list=UUJtrrqvXXoZSvJKdL1dn_ZQ
Then to see the 100% USA made, that was totally made by Curtis Mathes from 1961 check the video below:
Inside the 1960 Curtis Mathes Console, Three in One, Television, AM-FM Radio, and Turntable
http://youtu.be/c5KablRwCLY
The Eton, 1960 Curtis Mathes Console, Three in One, Television made in Texas.
http://youtu.be/M8Nev30_ZU4
Check You can my web page for the complete history of Curtis Mathes Below:
http://curtismathes.webs.com/
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After I graduated from College in 1982 and I worked for Zenith in their radio design department, and also did some freelancing work for Curtis Mathes in Console design from the years 1982 to 1984. It was always a joy to help lay out a new console television design and see it take form. There was always much more freedom in design at Curtis Mathes so by the mid 1980’s I worked for them exclusively. I worked for the Curtis Mathes Company exclusively from the years 1986 to 1991 as a console television and stereo designer.
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Rolls-Royce
Joined: 30 Sep 2007
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Location: Victorville, CA
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | Any of you guys use linear tracking turn tables with P mount cartriges? |
I have a Technics SL-10 with original MC cart that hasn't been used since I got my SL-1200. Sounded great the last time I fired it up!
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Jeremy112
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| Nashou66 wrote: | | paw wrote: | | Yo Dragan! What happened to the TT you had? I remember it being a decent one. |
He might want another one. You can never have to many TT's, Its lIke CRT PJ's!!!
Athanasios |
I don't know about that statement.... 10 turntables for SPARES can be a bit overwhelming but when they are all such nice tables it is hard to part with them!
You are right Nashou, they are an addiction, each model has its own unique style and quality to it  they are a blast to use!!
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Jeremy112
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Rolls-Royce wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | Any of you guys use linear tracking turn tables with P mount cartriges? |
I have a Technics SL-10 with original MC cart that hasn't been used since I got my SL-1200. Sounded great the last time I fired it up! |
I have two Pioneer PL-L1000 turntables both with Stanton 747S (or S747, not sure off hand) P mount cartridges with all the little accessories. They are my favorite cartridges for listening most of the time. P mount design, but they came with adapters and they look really impressive on the PL-L1000 tables as well.
I can pop a pic of one of them for those interested 
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AnalogRocks
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Don't ask.....of courze we want PL porn
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Jeremy112
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | Don't ask.....of courze we want PL porn |
Then PL Porn is what I will provide I have 3 pioneer model tables, 4 total pioneers, 3 technics, a B & O linear tracker (Just remembered it ) and there may be one or 2 more tables that I cant think of off hand...
For now, heres the PL-L1000, a few pics, one of the pics you can see my PL-600 in the backround, which is the one I use in the home theater. the PL-L1000 is moving upstairs on my McIntosh system. The 2nd PL-L1000 needs a 4th leg, someone robbed it and thats how I bought it, was going to part it out, but since it works perfect I decided to leave it whole and wait for the foot to show up on ebay.
Anyway heres the PL-L1000 pics (apologies on the quality of the first one, I should have used a tripod , and maybe have cleaned the table up a bit  :
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Glenn Waters
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Location: Bon Aqua, Tennessee
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If you really want a great turntable with wonderful speakers you should get a Curtis Mathes Royal Dane, all hand made in Texas. With hand made speakers all made in the USA. The Royal Dane, High Fidelity Combination AM/FM Radio, stereo with optional television. World's finest High Fidelity Home Music Center, the outstanding combination of the most beautiful Danish Modern Cabinet of Genuine Oiled Walnut and the ultimate in High Fidelity Stereophonic sound has made this fine instrument the most popular unit of its quality in America.
1961 Curtis Mathes Stereophonic, High-Fidelity, Royal Dane turntable.
http://youtu.be/Q6-OytXlUXw
1961 Curtis Mathes Stereophonic, High-Fidelity, Royal Dane Radio
http://youtu.be/9SdPxKaWFkQ
Skilled workers made the speakers for a Curtis Mathes console at the plant in Texas. All the components used in the manufacture of Curtis Mathes Speakers are rigidly inspected before assembly to insure the very best performance. All CM speakers are hand crafted in Texas.
http://curtismathes.webs.com/
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After I graduated from College in 1982 and I worked for Zenith in their radio design department, and also did some freelancing work for Curtis Mathes in Console design from the years 1982 to 1984. It was always a joy to help lay out a new console television design and see it take form. There was always much more freedom in design at Curtis Mathes so by the mid 1980’s I worked for them exclusively. I worked for the Curtis Mathes Company exclusively from the years 1986 to 1991 as a console television and stereo designer.
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Glenn Waters
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Skilled workers made the speakers for a Curtis Mathes console at the plant in Texas. All the components used in the manufacture of Curtis Mathes Speakers are rigidly inspected before assembly to insure the very best performance. All CM speakers are hand crafted in Texas.
You cannot find a better turntable than this wonderful model..Royal Dane by Curtis Mathes turntable made 1961
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After I graduated from College in 1982 and I worked for Zenith in their radio design department, and also did some freelancing work for Curtis Mathes in Console design from the years 1982 to 1984. It was always a joy to help lay out a new console television design and see it take form. There was always much more freedom in design at Curtis Mathes so by the mid 1980’s I worked for them exclusively. I worked for the Curtis Mathes Company exclusively from the years 1986 to 1991 as a console television and stereo designer.
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AnalogRocks
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That look more like a record player than a turntable.
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Glenn Waters
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | That look more like a record player than a turntable. |
Record players were very popular for over a century as the only means of playing music. Songs were recorded into large vinyl discs that can be read by the stylus in the pick-up system. During the period, it was as common as the DVD player is today. The part of the record player where you place the record is called the turntable, aptly named because it is a circular flat surface that rotates at a constant pace so that a certain length of the record passes below the pick-up arm. The term turntable gradually became synonymous to a record player and they are often used interchangeably.
The term turntable and record player are often interchanged but it is very common for people to refer to the older, music playing devices as record players while the newer, electronic devices, as turntables. Probably because only the turntable is left from the original record player set-up, everything else has been modified or replaced. The term turntable has gradually become synonymous with record player. The difference is record players are now quite rare and production has all but stopped for most companies simply because they are out of business. Turntables have evolved and are used in mixing music. In short, a turntable's sole purpose is to put a needle on a record to produce sound and play the music which is the same purpose of a record player. The Royal Dane is made up of components that are removable and the set up can be changed by the owners desires.
However Although the record player has fallen out of the limelight, people have found new use for the turntable in the music industry. It is no longer used for playing music but for modifying how the sound comes out. This is something I would not recommend for a classic old school turntable-record player. Disc jockeys are capable of manipulating the disc directly by moving it forward or backward on the turntable by hand. This skips the song back or ahead a few seconds. They can also make the song play slowly by slowing down the rotation or even backwards rotating it in the opposite direction. This is called scratching and is quite often used in recording new mixed tracks and in clubs where DJ’s like to mix it up and keep it interesting.
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After I graduated from College in 1982 and I worked for Zenith in their radio design department, and also did some freelancing work for Curtis Mathes in Console design from the years 1982 to 1984. It was always a joy to help lay out a new console television design and see it take form. There was always much more freedom in design at Curtis Mathes so by the mid 1980’s I worked for them exclusively. I worked for the Curtis Mathes Company exclusively from the years 1986 to 1991 as a console television and stereo designer.
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AnalogRocks
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My point being, how will an old school record player sound as compared to a newer turntable? Also how much tracking force does that record player put on the record?
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MikeEby
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | Also how much tracking force does that record player put on the record? |
I'd say about 6 ounces...or however many pennies you can tape to the end of the tone arm to keep the 45s from skipping
Seriously...Didn't VM (Voice of Music) build a lot turntables for most of that consumer grade audio?
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Glenn Waters
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | My point being, how will an old school record player sound as compared to a newer turntable? Also how much tracking force does that record player put on the record? |
It all depends on the manufacture and if the needle is a floating head, or has adjustment settings. The Zenith below has a floating diamond head, that is basically weightless. This Zenith Stereo Console 1960's Model, with Zenith Turntable, Zenith AM & FM Stereo Radio. Made in the USA, Made in Chicago Illinois, and is playing Roy Orbison, on a floating Diamond Needle, it has High Fidelity Stereophonic sound. Check out the video below:
Zenith Stereo Console 1960's Model, Playing Roy Orbison on a Zenith Floating Diamond Needle.
http://youtu.be/XC0YOqatlGw
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After I graduated from College in 1982 and I worked for Zenith in their radio design department, and also did some freelancing work for Curtis Mathes in Console design from the years 1982 to 1984. It was always a joy to help lay out a new console television design and see it take form. There was always much more freedom in design at Curtis Mathes so by the mid 1980’s I worked for them exclusively. I worked for the Curtis Mathes Company exclusively from the years 1986 to 1991 as a console television and stereo designer.
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Glenn Waters
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| MikeEby wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | Also how much tracking force does that record player put on the record? |
I'd say about 6 ounces...or however many pennies you can tape to the end of the tone arm to keep the 45s from skipping
Seriously...Didn't VM (Voice of Music) build a lot turntables for most of that consumer grade audio?
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This 1959 Zenith, made in America old school record player sound awesome compared to a newer made in Asia of plastic turntable. The tracking force of a Cobra arm is also feather weight, and adjustable and basically the diamond floats over the record without any "pennies and no skipping".
Check out the video below.
Love Is Blue, L' Amour Est Bleu, encore played on a 1950 Zenith Cobra Matic Phonograph
http://youtu.be/nbNG6sBovos
Love Is Blue, L' Amour Est Bleu, encore Written by A. Popp and P. Cour, Paul Mauriat, and his Orchestra, Zenith Record Player, Phonograph Cobra Matic, Diamond Needle, Vacuum Tube, Stereo, Made in the USA, Chicago, Illinois, Stereophonic, High Fidelity, Philips Records,
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| Nashou66 wrote: | | The Linns are over priced I think, and since they are based on the AR XA design with a little help the AR's can be made just as good for a lot less. Nashou |
The Linn LP12 is horribly over-priced. The basic TT is crap, and you have to get the $3K toneram, outboard power supply, on and on and before long you've blown $10K for a 1970's technology table.
It was always my understanding that Linn copied the Thorens TD150 came out in 1965. The first Linn LP-12 came out in 1972 , exactly 7 years later.
A quick search though shows the AR XA suspended TT with 2 piece metal platter came out in 1964  check out the add, when you buy the TT you get an Empire cartridge for only 1 cent more
http://www.vinylnirvana.com/ar-turntable-history/1964-ar-xa-ad/
Anyway, I didn't get the Curtis mathes, porbably should have but I wanted something more modern. Went and looked at a mid 80's high end Kenwood DD, but the douchebag forgot to mention he had broken off a head-shell cartridge lead. "It JUST needed to be soldered back on" 
So I said screw it, what did I really want. Well I wanted ot build another Obsidian like the one I made for my friend, but the thought of coming ot work over 4 or 5 Saturdays didn't seem palletable. Plus a nice toneram like an RB600, outboard motor, and raw material would have set me back a grand. So, I found an awesome deal on a Rega P5 with optional outboard TTPSU, 800 bucks  . I'll post some pics after it's set-up
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