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ElTopo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1640
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:44 pm Post subject: 4K with two 9 inchers ? |
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Hi,
anyone tried that already ?
ElTopo
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Spanky Ham
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 5643 Location: Comedy Central
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It is going to be kind of hard to get a good image, since the horizontal resolution is 3840.
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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According to Wiki digital cinema is 3996x2160. The Marquee is 2048x1536. so with a scaler you could get close blending two. You'll lose a bit in the horizontal. But i bet it still look awesome. If i had 4 K capable PC id give it a try on my 8500's.
it have to be a smaller blend zone of 100 compared to my 188 i use now for 1920. so 2048-50 or 1998 to each PJ.
Athanasios
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barclay66
Joined: 27 Jun 2011 Posts: 1304 Location: Germany
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
4K is the quadruple amount of pixels instead of the double (as the naming would suggest). So -in general- I would think that two 9-inchers wouldn't be sufficient. A blend of four 9-inchers (each of them doing around 999 x 540) would of course work. Even four good 8 inch EM focused LC sets could work well. The processor for splitting the 4K signal into four quadrants could be the cost driving factor here...
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 15909 Location: Utah
TV/Projector: JVC RS40, Epson 5010
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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4k DCI is 4096 x 2160, guys.
The vertical res (2160)... Yes, you'd be using 33% more tube face than normal 16:9, but the resolution is double 1080p. To put it in persecutive, full-raster 2160p would be the same line density as running 1620p compressed raster (as we do with 1080p).
Horizontal... Athanasios... I think you meant to add 50 pixels, not subtract... So, 2098 to each projector for a 100 pixel blend zone. Of course, that would only be a 3.5-inche blend zone on a 12' wide screen - which is tiny. Double that would still be small, but much better, but then you're running 2148 to each projector. The pixel clock at 2148x2160 is over 222Mhz - throw in some porches and things are going to be what, 250mhz? I think it's going to be getting pretty soft at that resolution - especially on anything but a 909 or modded Ultra with a really good video chain.
I'd still like to see it, though... Somebody get to work on it, will you?
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Spanky Ham
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 5643 Location: Comedy Central
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Your right. I was thinking QuadHD. Of course, no one knows what consumer 4k will be, if any. At this point, there is only one consumer 4k pj. I think most of those people who are in love with it are the owners who just dropped $20k on it. For CRT, it is kind of moot until there is 4k or QHD source.
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Well the peaking circuit in the marquee's i have allow for up to 240mhz pixel clock so I can get close. the Tv-ones can handle it as well. But do we really need full resolving power? many here like not being able to see scan lines so if get a little soft to some it wont matter. I being one of them.
And adding two more blend units is no problem for me I have more Marquees too. so a quad blend could possibly seen in the future .
Nashou
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jbmeyer13
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Well the peaking circuit in the marquee's i have allow for up to 240mhz pixel clock so I can get close. the Tv-ones can handle it as well. But do we really need full resolving power? many here like not being able to see scan lines so if get a little soft to some it wont matter. I being one of them.
And adding two more blend units is no problem for me I have more Marquees too. so a quad blend could possibly seen in the future .
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You need to get those 9" LC tubes in your blend first
So what would you do, put 2 on the floor for the bottom 2 quadrants and leave 2 on the ceiling?
Or go rear projection and you wouldn't need any keystone. Can't imagine what a 13' rear projection screen would cost
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kabuby77
Joined: 28 Mar 2011 Posts: 147 Location: Italy
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You must use a blend with 2 Barco cine 9.
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overclkr
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Well the peaking circuit in the marquee's i have allow for up to 240mhz pixel clock so I can get close. the Tv-ones can handle it as well. But do we really need full resolving power? many here like not being able to see scan lines so if get a little soft to some it wont matter. I being one of them.
And adding two more blend units is no problem for me I have more Marquees too. so a quad blend could possibly seen in the future .
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Man I wish I had more time to come hang out. Would be fun to go through your stash and experiment
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CasetheCorvetteman
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6326 Location: Australia
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| kabuby77 wrote: | | You must use a blend with 2 Barco cine 9. |
Why not with Barco 912s?
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ElTopo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1640
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:00 am Post subject: |
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The TV one C2-2350A should support up to 2048x2048 on the analog output.
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kabuby77
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ElTopo
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:55 am Post subject: |
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I only see the 2 projectors but no blend.
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ElTopo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1640
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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VDC brochure says:
Features include:
Greater than 2048 x 1536 pixel resolution !
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ElTopo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1640
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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Well with 2 x 909-ers it would be better for sure:
3250 x 2560 max resolution !
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kabuby77
Joined: 28 Mar 2011 Posts: 147 Location: Italy
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| ElTopo wrote: | | I only see the 2 projectors but no blend. |
YESS, the guy is asking how to repair a neckboard
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Decibel
Joined: 31 May 2007 Posts: 904 Location: Roma - Italia
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| ElTopo wrote: | | I only see the 2 projectors but no blend. |
Yes, the owner said that is a blending system.
16:10 at 3200p
You can see a particular position of deflection yokes
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kabuby77
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Yes, the owner said that is a blending system.
16:10 at 3200p
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notice that 4k is only 2048p!
CRT is always ahead
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km987654
Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 2874 Location: Australia
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There must be a lot of wasted phosphore with that orientation. How large can the image be?
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