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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:48 pm Post subject: Neil Young says Steve Jobs Listened to vinyl ..... |
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/music/steve-jobs-listened-to-vinyl-neil-young-says/article2321738/
Neil Young shocked the D:Dive Into Media conference in Dana Point, Calif., on Tuesday with the news that Steve Jobs didn’t listen to digital music around the house. The iconic musician and sound-fidelity fanatic told interviewers that the late Podfather was a pioneer of digital music whose legacy was tremendous, “but when he went home, he listened to vinyl.”
It’s long been rumoured that Jobs’s stereo system was a $100,000 piece of work. A photograph in 1982 showed the notorious minimalist and perfectionist at home, with no furniture save for a turntable, a stereo and a floor lamp.
“I was single," Jobs said of those days. “All you needed was a cup of tea, a light and your stereo, you know, and that’s what I had.”
Young, who spoke forcefully backstage on the subject of MP3 files at last year’s Juno Awards in Toronto, is on a mission to make digital music more listenable.
“My goal is to try and rescue the art form that I’ve been practising for the past 50 years,” said Young, who believes ear buds are not for him. “We live in the digital age, and, unfortunately, it’s degrading our music, not improving it.”
here, here!!!!!
I Have to Agree. Nothing more accurate than analog music.
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 24396 Location: Langley, BC
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I completely agree with you, but frankly, even though I have about 3000 records, I have sold every turntable save for one.. and it's not connected. With society being ADD at this point, the days of sitting in a comfy chair in a decent listening room are long gone. I've got three pairs of awesome vintage speakers:
Interface Ds by Electrovoice
Vintage 1970s massive JBL 15" 2 way cabinets that need woofers
ML Electrostatics
None are set up, and save for the JBLs and maybe the EVs, they are depreciating daily.
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ecrabb Forum Moderator
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 15909 Location: Utah
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: Neil Young says Steve Jobs Listened to vinyl ..... |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | | Nothing more accurate than analog music. |
While in fundamental theory, that's true, it couldn't be more wrong in practice. It's the inaccuracy, i.e. "warmth", aka distortion, that people love about tubes and vinyl.
This story is pretty funny given that Martin Logan, McIntosh, Paradigm, and others were using iPads (with files as WAV, AIFF, or AppleLossless, no doubt) as their demo source at CEDIA.
I'll take high-res digital over vinyl any day. It's only a matter of time until we can start buying music as 24/96 encoded to Apple Lossless Codec... I'll have to actually start buying digital music instead of physical CDs.
I'm hoping this is the future of digital downloads:
http://www.nullco.com/TSN
Buy the Blu-ray with high-res audio, get the included download of FLAC or Apple Lossless and you can burn your own CD.
First time I'd paid $20 for an album in years and years, and I was happy to do it.
SC
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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I know Vinyl is supposed to be the best there is for audio, but honestly, I dont care for the pops and snaps, and the hiss you will always hear from a needle dragging on a record.
FLAC files are as good as it gets in the digital world, at least as far as audio files I've come across. I will say that I would rather listen to a nice FLAC than a well over 100 year old format.
Don't get me wrong, I still love to play with record players and listen to them, the nostalgia is why I enjoy them
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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Not true about pops and clicks and hiss. If you never heard a proper set up Analog system you can not say those things.
When the record is cleaned and the cartridge etc is done right its a very very clean sound reproduction.
Sorry Steve, I have lossless audio and a very good top end CD player with high sampling rates etc, I can only listen for an hour or so
and I can't take the electronic haze or buzz. It really bothers me. I can listen to records for hours and not get irritated.
But to each their own, I still listen to Digital when i'm out in the car, work etc, but when I want to really enjoy music I turn to analog.
The best tho is reel to reel master tapes, still have to get into that . I know Bob Stephan swears by it.
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dvh99
Joined: 25 Dec 2009 Posts: 2158 Location: nederland
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Neil Young says Steve Jobs Listened to vinyl ..... |
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| ecrabb wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | | Nothing more accurate than analog music. |
While in fundamental theory, that's true, it couldn't be more wrong in practice. It's the inaccuracy, i.e. "warmth", aka distortion, that people love about tubes and vinyl.
This story is pretty funny given that Martin Logan, McIntosh, Paradigm, and others were using iPads (with files as WAV, AIFF, or AppleLossless, no doubt) as their demo source at CEDIA.
I'll take high-res digital over vinyl any day. It's only a matter of time until we can start buying music as 24/96 encoded to Apple Lossless Codec... I'll have to actually start buying digital music instead of physical CDs.
I'm hoping this is the future of digital downloads:
http://www.nullco.com/TSN
Buy the Blu-ray with high-res audio, get the included download of FLAC or Apple Lossless and you can burn your own CD.
First time I'd paid $20 for an album in years and years, and I was happy to do it.
SC |
the problem with most is that they never heard a proper analog setup with a great sounding low mc output cartridge, it can sound every bit as dynamic as a very high quality digital setup and then some.
this is not nostalgia talking.
my newly build preamp with tubes and tube rectifier sounds better and clearer and tighter then any preamp i ever heard.
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MikeEby
Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 5237 Location: Osceola, Indiana
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I agree with SC....Having grown up in the vinyl heyday I'll take lossless digital anytime. There probably is digital filter out there that emulates the sound of vinyl for the folks that like living in the past. Add to that, the condition of your vinyl has to be perfect or else you will have the annoying pops and cracks that was so common in the format.
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wallace123456
Joined: 14 Aug 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Northwest VA area
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For some reason, I just don't see Steve Jobs having albums with scratches, or a crummy turntable/cartrige.
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dvh99
Joined: 25 Dec 2009 Posts: 2158 Location: nederland
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| MikeEby wrote: | I agree with SC....Having grown up in the vinyl heyday I'll take lossless digital anytime. There probably is digital filter out there that emulates the sound of vinyl for the folks that like living in the past. Add to that, the condition of your vinyl has to be perfect or else you will have the annoying pops and cracks that was so common in the format.
Mike |
this was the kind of turntable most people used in the heyday of vinyl.
every time someone makes a remark about typical vinyl sound they have never heard a proper setup and are used to the sound of a mediocre tt with a mediocre arm and a crappy MM cartridge.
the difference between digital and analogue is that the differences in quality in the analogue department are much greater between devices, be it turntables or tube amps.
http://www.freetimeweb.nl/home/electro/pickup/ad-p30.html
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