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[A Rogers]

[macgyver655]

My main rant is because these digital manufacturers could build these better but they dont. They use crap parts.

And I really dont care what anyone else buys or doesn't buy. I choose only specific comments that are made to comment on. And that is where someone compares a CRT to a digital and claims that the pic quality is close enough to say digital is just as good as CRT but doesn't comment on life span. And the PQ may almost be there. But the quality of the device is not. And the pro digital people always want to ignore this, or not speak about it or try to disclaim it.

To many people, this is a high factor. Not many want to spend thousands of dollars and have a door stop in a year or two or 4 if your lucky.

Again, you think a digital is right for you, fine but dont try to pacify the fact they are built like crap and wont last and it will take thousands again to replace it. If you dont care about that, good for you, but most do care.

Just stop comparing.

[macgyver655]

[Motobias]

building your home cinema should be a hobby and not a purpose
i own a xg135 for a couple of years now and never had the chance to set it up...finally happening this year
and this is where it goes to:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398619678501.211345.738343501&type=3&l=e618777553

i also have a linear polarisation filter mask for 2 crts stacked...but this requires a second xg

i will go 3d with two projectiondesign f1 sx+ and circular filters, brainstorming for a diy silverscreen at the moment.

for me it's all about tech and trying out, if it would be all about convenience you need to spend much more money and buy the latest projectors... but i like diy and getting everything surplus and/or broken !

my xg cost me 60€
both f1 xg+ together 400€
and then there are a dvdo vp30 for 140€, lexicon mc-1 for 250€, heaps of amps and speakers... all just waiting to go live

it's all about the fun of building

[ecrabb]

[Curt Palme]

Who cares at this point really? There are still CRT newbies, CRTers that upgrade, and CRTers that are now digitalers. (I've got one digit for ya...)

The lifespan of a CRT is about 20-25 years for the chassis. Some longer, some shorter. A digital typically is 2-5 years, and most early adopters of the older JVCs have now upgraded. My guess is that the JVC chassis lasts a bit longer, but I'll also bet that JVC will discontinue all parts at the 7 year mark. Look what happened to the $27K Qualia. Can't get nuffin' for it at this point.

A hobby is a hobby. I haven't turned on my own HT in 18 months, as I can't be bothered. My room sucks bigtime, and it was a big highlight for me when I bought the house. If I had $10-20K, I'd just fly up a few of you talented DIYers to do my room to the 9s. It still wouldn't get used.

Hell, right now I'd rather spend an hour fixing a 5 year old laptop to learn how it works rather than spending 2 hours in front of a TV screen, but that's just me. THe hobby can be taken as far as you want, usually on a minimal budget. That's what's cool about dealing with the 'old' technology.

[Curt Palme]

Who cares at this point really? There are still CRT newbies, CRTers that upgrade, and CRTers that are now digitalers. (I've got one digit for ya...)

The lifespan of a CRT is about 20-25 years for the chassis. Some longer, some shorter. A digital typically is 2-5 years, and most early adopters of the older JVCs have now upgraded. My guess is that the JVC chassis lasts a bit longer, but I'll also bet that JVC will discontinue all parts at the 7 year mark. Look what happened to the $27K Qualia. Can't get nuffin' for it at this point.

A hobby is a hobby. I haven't turned on my own HT in 18 months, as I can't be bothered. My room sucks bigtime, and it was a big highlight for me when I bought the house. If I had $10-20K, I'd just fly up a few of you talented DIYers to do my room to the 9s. It still wouldn't get used.

Hell, right now I'd rather spend an hour fixing a 5 year old laptop to learn how it works rather than spending 2 hours in front of a TV screen, but that's just me. THe hobby can be taken as far as you want, usually on a minimal budget. That's what's cool about dealing with the 'old' technology.

[dturco]

[macgyver655]

[ecrabb]

[AnalogRocks]

[AnalogRocks]

[Curt Palme]

Haha! IT's funny, I was thinking of electronics today while walking the dogs, and thought of an angle that I hadn't of before. That is: WHat if they made medical electronics or other crucial electronics the way they made consumer stuff? Traffic signal computers for example? Pacemakers or defib machines (don't ask me to spell defibrillator (sh*t, I got it right!)) should also only last 2-5 years. (no worries, we revive MOST of the patients, when the machines work...)

I do have a big beef with the way consumer and pro electronics is made. I do also recognize that CRTs have a finite life.

[Curt Palme]

Haha! IT's funny, I was thinking of electronics today while walking the dogs, and thought of an angle that I hadn't of before. That is: WHat if they made medical electronics or other crucial electronics the way they made consumer stuff? Traffic signal computers for example? Pacemakers or defib machines (don't ask me to spell defibrillator (sh*t, I got it right!)) should also only last 2-5 years. (no worries, we revive MOST of the patients, when the machines work...)

I do have a big beef with the way consumer and pro electronics is made. I do also recognize that CRTs have a finite life.

[A Rogers]

[ecrabb]

Stuff that's made cheaper isn't all bad, though. There's an upside, and that is we can afford a lot of this cool stuff.

A TV in the 70's was a HUGE purchase as a percentage of a family's income. The damn thing BETTER last - it cost a frickin' paycheck or three. Now, a 32" TV is about the same as 2-3 nights in a decent hotel in most cities- or a few days' wages for a white collar worker.

Yes, our CRT projectors are well-built, will run for thousands- if not tens of thousands of hours... But, considering that many of them cost more than a family sedan when they were built, they damn will should be. They're industrial equipment - very similar to the hospital equipment Curt referenced!

I like nice gear, too... But the reality is that if stuff was still made like some of you here are pining and wishing it were - like CRT projectors used to be - very few of us here would be able to afford it! That's a fact.

SC

[tanwn]

I think the truth of the matter for a guy who owns a 9" CRT is the best in video quality which till now can not be fully replicated by digital. You have to see a properly calibrated 9" CRT to know the real truth.

[AnalogRocks]

[AnalogRocks]

[gjaky]

I have my NEC PG for free, and if it has problem I can repair from a couple $ -not like a digital in most cases. Not to mention the picture isn't bad at all for the price. And if I would like to "upgrade" to digital I should pay a serious amount of money just to keep the quality level.

When I picked up my first CRT (it was sitting in a dust bin) I didn't know much about them at all, but while learning they construction, their setup I really fell in love with them. IMO a digital PJ doesn't involving the user that much therefore the user remain unconcerned with them. -You use your fridge every day but who loves it? And what about your car, which you care for big time: you may love, may hate, but you are not unconcerned -I see the same with the CRTs

Did you recognize that you are arguing about the 10+ years old CRT vs. the recent technology LCD/DLP. The fact itself that the CRT's still have advantages over the recent technology deserves big honour to them. Compare your computer which you used in 2000 with the one which you use now -was it better than the new in ANY aspect?

[jask]

It sure kept my office warm in the winter!
seriously though, although this may be an obsolete technology it is by no means inferior, in many aspects and very specific conditions it remains clearly superior. I think what draws almost every member of this community together is that common joy in learning and mastering something that rewards our efforts

[HighDefMike]

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[Boilermaker]