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[Boilermaker]

[greg_mitch]

[WTS]

I just read one review on the RS45 if you're interested Kal.

[Boilermaker]

[kal]

[kal]

[kal]

[kal]

[greg_mitch]

I bet we see 4k discs in 5 years time (early adopter specials I am sure).

They already agreed on the UHDTV spec I thought I read somewhere. 4k consumer projectors are coming out.

1080p is so last year!

[Spanky Ham]

I could see 4k discs coming out by the end of the decade or some other 4k format. 4k will be the new standard in five years.

[WanMan]

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[kal]

[kal]

[Boilermaker]

There might be a way to "test" the waters on this.

Stacy Spears, AKA "Spears & Munsil" might issue a new revised test disc and he could add a chapter that has a few minutes of a scope movie done conventionally and anamorphically just to see the difference.

I think he was/is a frequent poster on the other forum. I don't know him, but maybe someone here does and can put a bug in his ear.

Just a thought.

Bob

[Spanky Ham]

You could email him. He is pretty open to suggestions. The last time I saw him at Cedia two years ago he was really into his Red camera. At the time, he mentioned doing some 4k test demo to add to the disc.

[Person99]

Well, let me continue with the thread hijack.

You will never see a scope anamorphic blu ray. There is nothing in the spec about it so it won't happen. There was no motivation to put it in the spec because this is a very very small niche market.

It is not just the disc storing it, but the devices. Many displays (like flat panels) would not "understand" the anamorphically streteched content and would display it incorrectly--so the player would have to add the black bars. But it could not always add the black bars, so there would have to be a way for the display to say "hey, I want the anamorphic content 1:1--don't put black bars".

Nothing like that exists in the EDID or anywhere in the HDMI or Blu Ray spec. So it will quite simply never happen.

And it really doesn't need to. To the earlier point, the scaling of 817 or so to 1080 is pretty well understood and done quite well by many folks. It is unlikely you would end up noticing much of a difference if you had good scaling. So, instead of the industry catering to us, it figures we can go out and buy a Lumagen (or other) to address our issue.

[Person99]

Let's continue the thread-jack!

[HogPilot]

Kal,

There is a Panamorph UH380 for sale on the AVS classifieds for $1250 if that is something in your price range. That was my first anamorphic lens and I was very impressed with its performance. You could probably talk him down a bit as that lens is 3 generations old (but still a good lens).

[Person99]

So, back to the thread. Where are you at Kal? CIH, CIW, or CIA?

[Spanky Ham]

[greg_mitch]

I will disagree with the streaming argument given the bandwidth issues and streaming selection being made available by the studios. Do they make more from disc sales than streaming plays??

Look at Netflix...it dropped something like almost $10billion market value since they jacked up prices.

The studios aren't prepared to stream (not saying they won't be in the future) but I think optical discs will be around for at least another 20-25 years.

I was hoping for SD card/flash storage type distribution but the cost isn't getting there quick enough.

Maybe satellite 4k will be the first blush we have with it in home. I hope it doesn't go all streaming and if the current trends are any indicator, the infrastructure and price structures aren't in place to have a sizable audience participate.

[Boilermaker]

Sorry! Just gonna have to have one more hi-jack.

All the comments have been well taken and make sense, but let me add the following as numbered bullet points:

1 - I do not think that making an anamorphic bd would in any way be outside any "standards" now in place. It would still be 1920X1080 and the only difference would be all video information instead of a bunch of black pixels not wanted.

2 - The major trend is obviously the slow death of all silver discs whether audio or video - The trend is streaming.

3 - A new 4K disc standard would be highly unlikely because of #2 above, and it would require an entire new hardware standard.

4 - I doubt that any current HDMI cable could handle the 4X's increase in bandwidth that 4K would require. HDMI struggles to do 1080P as it is.

5 - Have not researched this yet, but I imagine the new proposed 4K consumer models can only accept 1080P as an input - there is probably no way it can accept a 4K signal.

6 - Because of bandwidth, I highly doubt that we would see any attempt for broadcasting either OTA, satellite, or cable of any 4K signals, let alone it is outside of the ATSC standards.

7 - I imagine the new proposed scope flat panels would have no problem in properly displaying an anamorphic bd with all the zoom, fill, stretch, etc. features they will probably have.

8 - As a result of all the above, I feel that 4K will (at least for the forseeable future) be a scaled process within the display device, and not from a consumer program source.


Now I am going way out on a limb on this one, BUT: With all else being equal, I am not sure which of these two I would prefer:

A - A true 4K projector with 2160 horizontal lines extrapolated from 800 lines of information.
B - An equal projector with 1080 horizontal lines made from 1080 lines of information.

Obviously, the cat's meow would be 4K from 1080 anamorphic.

I remember being amazed years ago at how good an anamorphic dvd looked when scaled to 960P. Since bd, I have not watched a single dvd.

Bob