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jamsys
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:09 am Post subject: Swap Barco Cine8 for epson 9700ub???? |
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Ok i hate this, but the wife has been very unhappy w the huge cine8 overhead. I have someone that owes me money that has a new epson 9700ub. Am i going to regret the switch, and how much is a cine8 worth in excellent shape?
Regards
Scott
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Tom.W
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Get rid of the wife and keep the Cine 8 
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Curt Palme
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I've always liked the line:
' The projector is mounted as stably as the foundation of our marriage is..... IS THERE SOMETHING I SHOULD KNOW?'
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WanMan
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Sounds like she doesn't trust her husband. Maybe she thinks she'll die by Cine8.
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Curt Palme
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What I don't get is the massive concern about the potential projector to fall. I heard about it ONCE , a 1270 dropped onto a coffee table in the middle of the night, and it was because the guy hit the extreme edges of the studs while mounting it. 150-200 lbs over about a 3'square area is hardly a load on the ceiling, people forget that someone weighing 200 lbs standing on the floor above the projector puts more stress on a square foot of floor than the projector does on a square foot of ceiling, and people aren't afraid of falling through the floor....
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jamsys
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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I know, i know....
But it does have to go.... Just want to know how unhappy i will be with the epson, and if my cine8 onyx is worth anything...
I did get rid of the first wife, but this one has to take are of 2 month old so i can use the theater 
Scott
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Curt Palme
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If you can't sell the Cine 8 as a whole (email me what you want for it), I'd take some parts out of it..
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jamsys
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | If you can't sell the Cine 8 as a whole (email me what you want for it), I'd take some parts out of it.. |
Curt
Did you get my email?
Wondering if there was a way to advertise it on your site. It is pristine with low hours.....
Regards
Scott
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jamsys
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | If you can't sell the Cine 8 as a whole (email me what you want for it), I'd take some parts out of it.. |
Pm sent
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Spanky Ham
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I will comment on the Epson. I am not a big fan of LCD. I think you would be better off with a used JVC or Sony LCOS. The new JVC RS45 has a MSRP of $3500 with a street price that should be under $3000.
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Person99
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | I will comment on the Epson. I am not a big fan of LCD. I think you would be better off with a used JVC or Sony LCOS. The new JVC RS45 has a MSRP of $3500 with a street price that should be under $3000. |
Scott PMed me as I don't check the site much anymore. I tend to agree with you. A summary of my response is:
1) I don't like LCD at all. In fact in a head to head between high end 720p DLP and the Epson's earlier incarnation, I thought the DLP had a much better overall picture despite lower resolution.
2) If you like the look of the CRT, get a JVC LCoS machine--they are better than that CRT in pretty much every respect.
3) Your CRT is worth nothing. The guy that I sold my Pro 1200X to tried to sell it recently for 5 months. Could not get even $500 for it. Pretty much ended up giving it away to someone who would haul it off.
From the time I got rid of the CRT until today, I don't regret getting rid of the CRT at all I love the:
1) brighter picture
2) sharper picture
3) 10' wide CIH screen
It just is not 2005 anymore. In a cost/benefit analysis, there is just not much in favor of a CRT anymore. It really seems the only reason now to have one is because you currently have one and you are fine with its picture quality and limitations.
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WanMan
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FYI, the 9700 is the installer version of the 8700. Sure, maybe the end user can tweak it better than the 8700, but for the costs? Also, isn't the 8700 more than a year old? I could have sworn it was an existing product when I bought my B-stock JVC in June of last year.
I would consider trying to look at the entry level JVCs. Even last years sub-$3K HD250.
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jamsys
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Well it looks like i am going to be able to sell off the 9700 after all. Dont know what i will get for it, but you guys really gave me good info. I love my unit, and i hate lcd, but it was a option. The one thing i dont want to get into is buying a new pj every year or so. The industry has moved so quickly, that what i saw at cedia 4 years ago is garbage.
The only one i liked was the sony sxrd, but curt seems not too fond of them.....
I had the same dimema with my audio stuff. Do i buy a high end reciever with built in amp, video processing etc and sell my lexicon mc-8, dvdo vp50 and b&k amps... It would consume a hell of alot less space.... I just was never a fan of all in one units....
Scott
Wish me luck on selling the 9700
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Curt Palme
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Huh? I love the SxRD picture, just can't stand the fact that Sony dumped all support for a $27K projector 7 years and 1 day after they discontinued it. That may be fine for a $1500 digital, I expected more from their high end stuff.
if I had to do digital, the ONLY projector I'd buy is something by JVC. Haven't heard of any reliability issues so far, I've only really taken a look at the RS1 at Cliff's place 4 or 5 years ago, and really liked what I saw. I also saw the limitations of it, but they're not really a big deal.
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Person99
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| jamsys wrote: | | The industry has moved so quickly, that what i saw at cedia 4 years ago is garbage. |
As with any emerging tech, it moves rapidly for a period than slows down as it matures. 4 years ago, digital tech was right on the curve toward flattening out--there was pretty good stuff, but big improvements were still coming. It has flattened out considerably
| jamsys wrote: | | The one thing i dont want to get into is buying a new pj every year or so. |
I never understand this statement. Do you do this with cars? If the next year they add 5 horsepower to your car model, do you buy the new one? Same with PJs. There is a multitude of PJs that throw a better overall picture than the Zenith yet you feel no need to upgrade the Zenith now. So, if you replaced it with a PJ that threw a better picture, why would you have to replace that PJ in a year or two? 
| jamsys wrote: | | The only one i liked was the sony sxrd, but curt seems not too fond of them..... |
If you liked the Sony, then you should consider the JVC. Same technology as the Sony but most people think JVC does it better (FYI, SXRD and D-ILA are just "brand names" for LCoS).
I'm not sure Curt has seen a recent LCoS PJs in a critical viewing environment (but I don't read this site much anymore), the only one I know he bagged on was the Ruby--and even that PJ had quite a few CRT users kicking their CRT to the curb without regret, so take anyones opinion merely as a datapoint. For another datapoint, consider Guy Kuo (the guy who wrote the bible of CRT set up we all followed), he started pulling CRTs out about 3-4 years ago and replacing them with JVC LCoS PJ because of the increase in overall picture quality and to paraphrase him, "none of the CRTs had a better picture than the JVC".
In the end, if you are happy with your set up, you don't need to change--keep it because as I said, your CRT is now worth virtually nothing so why spend money if you don't really want to?
That said though, you might not want to close yourself off to the the world of possibilities. My whole family loved the switch from CRT to digital for really just two simple reasons (I had more reasons, but these are theirs):
1) A brighter picture (which looks better due to the way our brains work, just like louder music sounds better [obviously both to a point])
2) Scope movies 10' wide (and still brighter than the CRT was with half the image area). You can sit 11.5 inches from a 10 inch wide screen, filling up a large portion of your field of vision, but it is not the same as sitting 11.5 feet from a 10' wide screen.
When I switched over to this step up, my daughter ceased wanting to see movies in the theater because she finds our set up more enjoyable. Even movies all her friends are seeing (like the last Harry Potter) she wants to wait for on blu-ray to see in our theater.
I've become almost evangelical for CIH set ups because I know of no one who went that way and regretted it.
YMMV
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macgyver655
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| jamsys wrote: | | The one thing i dont want to get into is buying a new pj every year or so. |
I never understand this statement. Do you do this with cars? If the next year they add 5 horsepower to your car model, do you buy the new one? Same with PJs. There is a multitude of PJs that throw a better overall picture than the Zenith yet you feel no need to upgrade the Zenith now. So, if you replaced it with a PJ that threw a better picture, why would you have to replace that PJ in a year or two?
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Spanky Ham
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Well, as I have said in the past in pure picture quality, the only thing CRT exceeds digital in is motion resolution and on/off cr. Personally, I didn't really notice the lack of on/off cr in any of the LCOS demos that I saw at Cedia. THis is a YMMV type of thing, but I guestimate my threshold at 20k to 1, which the Sony, Epson, and JVC exceed. The motion resolution issue is the other big problem for digitals. This seems to be the biggest compliant that I am reading on AVS. DLPs are much better at motion than LCOS and LCD. Of the LCOS, Epson and Sony supposedly have the better implementation of motion handling. I notice it, but it doesn't really bother me any more. Either I don't care or the digitals are good enough. The Epson isn't out yet and still seem to be having yield problems, which leaves the Sony and JVC. If motion is a bigger deal than on/off, then go for the Sony. If vice versa, then go for the JVC.
As for customer service and reliability, I would go for the Epson. If you have a problem, then they will replace your pj within 48 hours.
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Well, ambient light, the time you spent in a brightly-lit room and viewing material in a batcave like demonstration, etc., will all play into making the image look good.
I bet none of the demonstrations were in a bat cave, which would be needed to benefit from the increased CR.
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| jamsys wrote: | | Wondering if there was a way to advertise it on your site. It is pristine with low hours..... |
You just did.
If the CRT is well set up and you can show someone it running while well set up and convince them that they'll be able to move it and set it up well themselves (or that you'll promise to set it up for them), then .... you may get a few hundred for it.
I have basically the same projector with liquid coupling (LC), same as what Dave (Person99) had. Likely in the spring we'll be doing the basement of the new house we're in now and a digital will be going in so that I can do a 10' wide CIH setup. I don't expect to get anything for my Zenith 1200 - it served me well. It's temporarily set up on the floor on my existing 8 foot wide screen and it looks fantastic and will keep me happy for the next ~ 6-9 months.
Kal
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| WanMan wrote: | Well, ambient light, the time you spent in a brightly-lit room and viewing material in a batcave like demonstration, etc., will all play into making the image look good.
I bet none of the demonstrations were in a bat cave, which would be needed to benefit from the increased CR. |
Both the JVC and Epson were black rooms. The Epson room was really black. I doubt there are many HT rooms including yours that are as dark as these were. There was also a couple of minutes of demo material and a talk before hand, so my eyes were adjusted. I think I have been around long enough to no the difference between on/off crs and what I am willing to accept.
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