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1031



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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 5:27 am    Post subject: Lvps parts.Caps mostly

Here is little list of lvps parts..Those ordernumbers are to Farnell(sorry no digikey here in Finland)
I did full recap on my 7500(8110) and it seems to work ok with those panasonic caps.



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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 11:38 am    Post subject:

I couldn't find those LVPS caps anywhere so I wound up buying them from www.parts4pinballs.com in Sweden (?).

This is what I ordered:

Quote:
4 x Capacitor 33ĩF 250V 105°C
9 x Capacitor 100ĩF 100V 105° C


It came out to $43 USD including shipping costs to me in the USA.

Btw, you have to watch out because not all of the 85c to 105c replacement's will fit. So make sure to order ones that do fit.

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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:08 am    Post subject:

Okay, I got all my parts in on Thursday. So far I've put the following onto my HVPS:

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6 each for HVPS
DIGIKEY Part # OY564KE-ND
RES CERAMIC COMP 560K OHM 2W
$1.22 each

2 each for HVPS
DIGIKEY Part # PPC220W-2CT-ND
RES 220 OHM METAL FILM 2W 5%
$0.60 each


Plus I added three small parts that MP gave me awhile back. I have no idea what they are though. Laughing

Let me tell you that I am already extremely impressed. Now let me warn ya that I did move my PJ up six inches because that is the spot that will make it easier for me to finish putting all the other bits on.
But right away I noticed an improvement in contrast. My whites are much brighter and my blacks are more defined!
At first I thought my whole picture was brighter, but after re-adjusting my G2 and contrast/brightness settings, it's just that ever color is more defined. It's like someone added another 50 shades of color to my projector. And it may even be a tad brighter as well. And it may be my imagination, but I think the picture looks cleaner now. I do know that looking into the tubes, there is less noise there. And this has also hidden somewhat, a couple of bugs that are not yet fixed.

Plus I was impressed that I didn't break anything. hahah


Now these parts below it turns out, will not work at all. They are smaller in width, so I have to order different parts now because these won't fit. Just like Sly mentioned in his HVPS posts but I never realized what he was talking about until now.



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2 each for HVPS
DIGIKEY Part # BC1806-ND
CAP FILM MKT 1UF 400VDC 10%
$1.11 each

2 each for HVPS
DIGIKEY Part # BC1872-ND
CAP FILM MMKP .47UF 630VDC 5%
$1.92 each


More to come as the days move on and more parts are put into the system!

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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:05 am    Post subject:

This is great, Eddie! Mike made tons of great suggestions in that original thread but I never had a clear idea for what mods would help what. Your subjective "user level" report of what affect they're having is very useful. Keep those comments coming!
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:15 am    Post subject:

Hey Gary, something that might interest you is that this did not fix, but did subjectively diminish... is the 1/3 of the picture where it's lighter than the rest. This is according to your recent thread.
The issue is still there, but no where near as noticeable as before.

I'm hesitant to say it's a night and day difference as far as overall picture quality goes with the very few mods I've made so far. But I have to admit that it is a noticeable visual improvement so far! Smile

"Maintenence" my ass... this was darn near a "mod"! I can't wait to try the rest of what Mike Parker has suggested. And also BillBlue and Sly and all the others who helped out on Mike Parkers thread.

I'll start individual threads for each component, as I go through them. It'll take time to upload pics and write stuff up though.


I did burn myself with the soldering iron though. Neutral


And I taught myself how to use the soldering wick that my Dad left me about ten years ago!! Thumbs Up

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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:15 pm    Post subject:

Interesting! My "rectangle of video noise" is no longer a concern since I re-jiggered everything and now I run with the brightness VERY low. But that's good to know.

Please don't do a separate thread for each component! One thread for "CZE's results from Marquee Maint" would make it a lot easier to find things.

Solder wick, ick, I hate desoldering. That's the biggest thing that's kept me from doing these fixes. Had a helluva time just pulling the 3 resistors to do the squeeze mod. I keep thinking a solder-sucker MUST work better. I should practice on some old junk boards until I figure out the process better.

But it sounds like I should order some parts!
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:34 pm    Post subject:

Yeah Sly used parts that weren't an exact physical fit for the originals. Although the process seems benign enough, scratching the coating to reveal the trace gives me the willies.

Now that this subject is alive again and there are parts being listed and some novice results (no offense meant Eddie) coming in, I guess I should get busy ordering parts n' pieces.
Getting rid of the noise on the tube faces is my biggest want right now. (That and getting my hands on an O scope and learning to use it)

Sounds great Eddie!

Greg

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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:03 am    Post subject:

I be wanting several of the mods and am wondering who north of the 49th (but not Alaska) is willing and experienced in doing these board mods? (I'm not anti Yank, just not wanting the hassle and cost of transborder shipping X2).
/JJ
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PaulB



Joined: 26 Oct 2007
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Lvps parts.Caps mostly

1031 wrote:
Here is little list of lvps parts..Those ordernumbers are to Farnell(sorry no digikey here in Finland)
I did full recap on my 7500(8110) and it seems to work ok with those panasonic caps.


Hi 1031,
I'm not sure the part number for the heater fix in the spreadsheet is correct. Farnell part number 9468480 leads to this http://tinyurl.com/2qhhgb which is not the same resistor as shown in the MP's Marquee Maintenance instructions shown here http://www.curtpalme.com/Marquee_Maintenance2.shtm which is a surface mount type.

I think the correct part is Farnell 1153088 http://tinyurl.com/36lr7p .

Grateful for confirmation.

Is Farnell 9353399 definately the correct 20 ohm pot to use? Shown here http://tinyurl.com/353p6f


Many thanks,
Paul
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1031



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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:23 am    Post subject:

Hello. That resistor is same value (475 ohm) that was "original" part. It is just normal trough hole component not smd. So you can use it. That trim.pot is similar to one that was used on "maintenance tread"
I have done about 5-8 lvps "heater fix mods" with those components without any problems.
On few cases voltage adjust range was little "on the edge" 20ohm trimmer was fully turned to max to get 6.35v. At some cases (when adjust range was not enought) i used one 10 ohm resistor series with that 475ohm resistor to get proper voltage to filaments.

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:49 am    Post subject:

I see, thanks for putting me straight on that, I've not seen this version of the fix before.

So where does the through hole-resistor go?

{message edited and image deleted to avoid confusing myself and others]
Many thanks,
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1031



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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:29 am    Post subject:

You can put that "normal" 475ohm resistor underside of pcb, just cut that trace as it was shown on maintenance thread and found proper contacts for that resistor

http://www.dvdplaza.fi/forums/showpost.php?p=888641&postcount=2
Those picts might help you
And remember to measure(adjust also) voltage before you put that p14 connector back in place.

-Jarmo

Edit: i foundet one picture (out of focus..) that shows points where to put that resistor.



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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:49 am    Post subject:

Many, many thanks Jarmo! That explains everything, excellent Thumbs Up

I really appreciate you taking the time to explain this to me,
Paul
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:14 am    Post subject:

Glad to hear that my "helps" with my bad english helped you Mr. Green
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject:

Just to be sure you understand, Paul -- you don't replace ANY of those resistors you marked. The resistor on the underside of the board goes in series with the new trimpot. The idea is to replace the 0-500 (or whatever it is) trimpot with 475ohm fixed + 0-20ohm trimpot. That way the adjustment range only goes from 475 to 495, instead of 0 to 500, so even if the trimpot goes bad the total resistance will stay in an appropriate range.
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:51 pm    Post subject:

Understood Gary and many thanks for the clarification. I'd (eventually!) figured that out from Jarmo's links but your comments made me think it best to edit my message so as not to confuse myself or others with misleading content.

Again, thanks for the input guys. I know this is old hat to many around here who must be fed up going over the same ground time and time again but your help is very much appreciated by us noobs.
Paul
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:35 am    Post subject:

Guys i just ordered a bunch of parts for some of the maintanence stuff and a few for slight performance mods ffrom some older AVS threads in the archives , I'll post the links here ;

This thread has alot of great theory stuff and links to other marquee and generalo related elecronic discussions, lots to absorb, i keep re-reading and discover new things.
http://archive.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=d2cb8c5c67e54f5807fd1eea2889b760&threadid=416624&highlight=Jaehong+Lee

This one list some of the resistor changes from the maintenece thread and a few others i think.
http://archive.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=401345

Focus board mod.
http://avs.hardware-chat.com/CRT_Projectors/1766-My-adventures-in-further-Marquee-mods--chapter-1-

Have fun on your reasearch.

Athanasios

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PS: I might have a lead on some CLC449's i think if i get 50 or more i'll have a better price. maybe $8 each .

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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:26 pm    Post subject:

Just to let everyone know, I've had the LVPS, HVPS, the 16:9 fix and the C50 cap fix on the HDM all completed!

You know, it sounds daft but I'm actually quite relieved that I've had these maintanence mods carried out. I was concerned at the filament issue but the others worried me a bit as well. I think preventive maintanence is really necessary and well worth the minimal expense and effort for that 'just in case' situation.
As I've not actually set the 9500LC up yet, I can't tell if any of the maintenance has improved the pq or anything, the pj has been dis-assembled for maintenance and is only now been put back together for testing the LVPS etc.

I'll look to get the resistors changed on the vertical and converence boards as soon as I get the parts from Digi-Key (convergence drift has always been a bug-bear of mine ) and will get the VIM board modded at some point.

My thanks to Mike Parker for the original master-class maintenance thread and to all others who contributed to that and many other threads on the subject. Of course, my thanks to all you guys here who tirelessly give advice and help to those of us in need !
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:31 pm    Post subject:

I'm maybe being silly again, but.....! Smile

Has anyone done the Convergence and vertical boards using the parts identified by CZEddie? I'm just checking that these are the right parts to use before getting the mod done.

CZ Eddie wrote:
14 each for Vertical Board (6x2 + 2)
DIGIKEY Part # PPC.68BCT-ND
RES .68 OHM .50W 5% MF FUSIBLE
$0.94 each

24 each for Convergence Board (12x2)
DIGIKEY Part # PPC.68BCT-ND
RES .68 OHM .50W 5% MF FUSIBLE
$0.94 each

48 each for Convergence Board
DIGIKEY Part # PPC1.5BCT-ND
RES 1.5 OHM .50W 5% MF FUSIBLE
$0.51 each




Whats confused me a bit is that in this post http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=4453989#post4453989 , the parts appear to be slightly different i.e. 1 ohm and 1.2 ohm as compared to CZEddie's .68ohm and 1.5ohm rating for the parts.

mrking;4453989 wrote:

Vertical Deflection Module (VDM) Post #177 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=1937363#post1937363

fusable metal film resistrors at 1/2 watt
[s]R720, R721, R820, R821, R920 and R921 R5 R6
change to .5 ohm[/s]
R720,R820,R920,R5,R6 should be replaced with 1 ohm, R721,R821,R920 should be replaced with two piggybacked 1 ohm.

Convergence Module (CVA) Post #177 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?
There are twelve of them on the convergence board
R118, R117, R218, R217, R318, R317, R418, R417, R518, R517, R618 and R617 and there are also [s]48[/s] 24 1.2 ohm near the power transistors.
The listed resistors are 1/4 fusibles, two piggybacked.



Thanks guys,
Paul
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:29 pm    Post subject:

I think mikes original Words were a typo:
"There are also 48 1.2 ohm (same mickey-mouse resistors) right near the power transistors."

The 1.2 was suppose to be a 1/2 ,the back slash key is right next to the period key.

So for those who got 1.2 ohm resistors have it wrong. look at the value on the board and i'm pretty sure there 1 ohm so he would have doubled up or replaced with 1/2 ohm 1/4 watt. But on the wattage he say earlier to use 1/2 watt not 1/4 watt and i dont thing going up to 1/2 watt will hurt any.

Some one else chime in if i am wrong.

EDIT: they supposedly are 1.2 ohm after going back to original thread on AVS and reading a crap load of posts.

Athanasios

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