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edavi394



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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:57 pm    Post subject: I need advice rebuilding theater.

Hi, I am finally starting to rebuild my home theater. all my equipment has spent the last 4 years or so in storage. finally moved back into a house where i can set it back up. I am excited but also a little bummed, bummed because none of my current HT equipment had HDMI except the projector. all the equipment was top end 8 or so years ago. now it could be better. how ever at this time I want to use what I have without buying much of anything. I will start by listing my equipment and will put an * on things i want to upgrade. some of the model numbers I will have to fill in later it has been a long time since they have been un-boxed Sad

projector: NEC XG110 with hdmi tubes around 7 out of 10
screen: 150" generic electric 4:3* I want to go with a fixed screen somewhere around the 80-100 inch range. Probably 2:35.1 and possibly audio transparent.

Receiver: Onkyo Integra DTR9.1
Dvd player: Onkyo Integra DSP:9.1
speakers:
front: Paradigm studio 100v.3
center channel: matching studio series, don't remember the model
center channel sub: <--- i know i will probably get some comments here.... Smile paradigm 10" something Razz
main sub: paradigm servo 15
side and rear surround for 7.1: matching paradigm studio series Bipole/Dipole speakers
HTPC: custom build I named Death Star.... including dual GTX 480 graphic cards, 12GB ram around 15TB hd space an over clocked I7 liquid cooled monster running windows 7 64 and OSX Snow leopard.

I think that's it for now. I have some other equipment but will not be using it. I am not even sure if I will be using the dvd player. I have been backing all my dvd's and blu-ray's on my home PC and then streaming them to where i want to watch them. I don't even have a std blu-ray player just the drive on my PC.

Basically I need some help with setting up the projector. I will be watching 2.35.1 format movies 95% of the time. I want to try to get this beast to run 1080p or i. I do not want to scan the black bars though so I would like the signal to be like 1920x820 or something. I am not sure about all of this stuff though this is the area I need advice on. I want it to be like a plug and play deal no changing settings with a throw something in it just goes to the correct resolution.... I am also not totally sure about setting up the raster to the best possible coverage. I read the guide curt posted but still am not 100% confident I know what I am doing. I guess a lot of it comes down to the screen and getting the right aspect ratio. I don't want to big for this unit I want the best picture it can produce on as large of a screen as I can get. I also want to do a curved screen and am looking at the SMX screens. I am not for sure yet if I am going to buy one ( Probably will buy if I put the speakers behind the screen) If i decide to place the speakers around the screen then I will probably just build my own. an idea I had was to use masonite and build a frame to hold it in the curve I want then paint it with a screen paint.... thanks for the help!
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:57 am    Post subject:

The HTPC is a major waste of money if nothing else, unless youre using this to play ALOT of later model games on... Youll never need that sort of power to watch movies.
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:50 pm    Post subject:

I saw that to and wondered the same thing. AMDs new APUs are probably more than sufficient for HTPC duties.
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edavi394



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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:43 pm    Post subject:

thanks it was not built only as an HTPC though it is used for 3D modeling and rendering for my work also some for gaming but not much and when it is not being used for work and some times when it is it serves as my HTPC Wink
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AnalogRocks
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:20 pm    Post subject:

CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
The HTPC is a major waste of money if nothing else, unless youre using this to play ALOT of later model games on... Youll never need that sort of power to watch movies.


Bite your tongue! You forget the PVR aspect of it too. Mine records all sorts of channels and also does allot of transcoding to MPEG4.

And yes games! Mr. Green

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Spanky Ham



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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:50 pm    Post subject:

edavi394 wrote:
thanks it was not built only as an HTPC though it is used for 3D modeling and rendering for my work also some for gaming but not much and when it is not being used for work and some times when it is it serves as my HTPC Wink


That's cool.


AnalogRocks wrote:


Bite your tongue! You forget the PVR aspect of it too. Mine records all sorts of channels and also does allot of transcoding to MPEG4.

And yes games! Mr. Green


You don't need much power for a PVR and Intel's newest integrated graphics is faster than anything out there for transcoding.
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:54 pm    Post subject:

Spanky Ham wrote:
edavi394 wrote:
thanks it was not built only as an HTPC though it is used for 3D modeling and rendering for my work also some for gaming but not much and when it is not being used for work and some times when it is it serves as my HTPC Wink


That's cool.


AnalogRocks wrote:


Bite your tongue! You forget the PVR aspect of it too. Mine records all sorts of channels and also does allot of transcoding to MPEG4.

And yes games! Mr. Green


You don't need much power for a PVR and Intel's newest integrated graphics is faster than anything out there for transcoding.


Newest schmooest. I like separates.

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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:02 pm    Post subject:

As for the setting up part, post where you're located. maybe one of us is close by that can assist.
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edavi394



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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:23 am    Post subject:

Thx for the post so far... I live in St. Charles MO it is close to St. louis... what is the perfect screen size for the xg110? also what is the ideal distance it should be from the screen? thanks. I have a lot of building to do before I can put the projector up but I am working on it every chance i get. I also need suggestions on running the HDMI from my HTPC to the projector. it is about 40 FT away.... i wasn't sure about running a cable that long. any thoughts?
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:25 am    Post subject:

edavi394 wrote:
Thx for the post so far... I live in St. Charles MO it is close to St. louis... what is the perfect screen size for the xg110? also what is the ideal distance it should be from the screen? thanks. I have a lot of building to do before I can put the projector up but I am working on it every chance i get. I also need suggestions on running the HDMI from my HTPC to the projector. it is about 40 FT away.... i wasn't sure about running a cable that long. any thoughts?


http://bluejeanscable.com/store/hdmi-cables/hdmi-cable.htm

BJC Belden Series-1 Bonded-Pair HDMI Cable: Best for Long Runs

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edavi394



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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:44 am    Post subject:

thx i looked at that one but was not sure still about one of that length. seems to be the best option though Smile thx for the recommendation
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:11 am    Post subject:

edavi394 wrote:
thanks it was not built only as an HTPC though it is used for 3D modeling and rendering for my work also some for gaming but not much and when it is not being used for work and some times when it is it serves as my HTPC Wink

Gotcha Wink Although i dont believe in overclocking anymore, that went out of vogue with the old Athlon Bartons and Thoroughbreds for me.

AnalogRocks wrote:
CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
The HTPC is a major waste of money if nothing else, unless youre using this to play ALOT of later model games on... Youll never need that sort of power to watch movies.


Bite your tongue! You forget the PVR aspect of it too. Mine records all sorts of channels and also does allot of transcoding to MPEG4.

And yes games! Mr. Green

Jeremy youre missin my point!! Im not saying its a waste to HAVE one, im saying that those specs are WAY over what is needed!! Wink
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:47 am    Post subject:

CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
edavi394 wrote:
thanks it was not built only as an HTPC though it is used for 3D modeling and rendering for my work also some for gaming but not much and when it is not being used for work and some times when it is it serves as my HTPC Wink

Gotcha Wink Although i dont believe in overclocking anymore, that went out of vogue with the old Athlon Bartons and Thoroughbreds for me.

AnalogRocks wrote:
CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
The HTPC is a major waste of money if nothing else, unless youre using this to play ALOT of later model games on... Youll never need that sort of power to watch movies.


Bite your tongue! You forget the PVR aspect of it too. Mine records all sorts of channels and also does allot of transcoding to MPEG4.

And yes games! Mr. Green

Jeremy youre missin my point!! Im not saying its a waste to HAVE one, im saying that those specs are WAY over what is needed!! Wink


I'd agree with you. My 5 year old dual core played movies fine. Most of the new all in one mother boards with the on board video are good too, except mine. Mine refuses to work with Powerstrip Grrrrr

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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 6:32 am    Post subject:

Yeah im not keen on the onboard gear, there is always something that wont want to let you install cause it says you havent got a such and such, simply cause it doesnt approve of the onboard stuff!!
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edavi394



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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:22 pm    Post subject:

any tips on screen size with this projector? I want a big as I can get while getting the best picture. also any tips on screen radius for curved screens?
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:07 pm    Post subject:

edavi394 wrote:
any tips on screen size with this projector? I want a big as I can get while getting the best picture. also any tips on screen radius for curved screens?


Rule of Thumb 8" projector go with a 8 foot wide screen, 7 foot wide will be brighter.

For a curved screen google Tarus screen.

You can also go with a curved high gain screen, there's new material coming out of Korea with a gain of 20!

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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:34 am    Post subject:

edavi394 wrote:
any tips on screen size with this projector? I want a big as I can get while getting the best picture. also any tips on screen radius for curved screens?

Light controlled room? Should be good up to 110" diagonal ~92x52"
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:39 am    Post subject:

AnalogRocks wrote:
edavi394 wrote:
any tips on screen size with this projector? I want a big as I can get while getting the best picture. also any tips on screen radius for curved screens?


Rule of Thumb 8" projector go with a 8 foot wide screen, 7 foot wide will be brighter.

For a curved screen google Tarus screen.

You can also go with a curved high gain screen, there's new material coming out of Korea with a gain of 20!


Forgot to add, if you go with high gain material you can go to a wider screen but to avoid the hot spotting you'll have to curve it. Also you'll loose some horizontal viewing angle.

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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:18 pm    Post subject:

thanks for the help. I want to do a curved screen and yes the room will be light controlled. the higher gain just makes the picture brighter right? what about clarity? I was thinking about using screen pain on a curved surface what gain should I be using with this projector? I am still thinking about doing a 2.35 to 1 screen the 16x9 seems tempting but I think 99% of my movies are 2.35 to 1 ratio and I don't think I will be hooking cable up to this. will be strictly for movies.
thanks again.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:16 pm    Post subject:

edavi394 wrote:
thanks for the help. I want to do a curved screen and yes the room will be light controlled. the higher gain just makes the picture brighter right? what about clarity? I was thinking about using screen pain on a curved surface what gain should I be using with this projector? I am still thinking about doing a 2.35 to 1 screen the 16x9 seems tempting but I think 99% of my movies are 2.35 to 1 ratio and I don't think I will be hooking cable up to this. will be strictly for movies.
thanks again.


Do a 16x9 screen with masking. Not all films are 2.35:1.

Have you checked out the 'Screens' section of the forum here? You might find some ideas there:

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=12

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