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Nashou66
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km987654
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How much do these sell for?? and why is the simulation market using crt??
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Tim in Phoenix
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| km987654 wrote: | | How much do these sell for?? and why is the simulation market using crt?? |
The Marquees pictured have MSRP around $44000 depending on which lenses. The split pack units are near $50000. CRT is the least expensive solution with accurate grays and pitch black, and simple geometery control to flatten the image on a curved surface.
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km987654
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| Tim in Phoenix wrote: | | km987654 wrote: | | How much do these sell for?? and why is the simulation market using crt?? |
The Marquees pictured have MSRP around $44000 depending on which lenses. The split pack units are near $50000. CRT is the least expensive solution with accurate grays and pitch black, and simple geometery control to flatten the image on a curved surface.
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I mean I love CRT even though I work with digital projectors all day but I just find it interesting that you can't do what is needed with digital equipment (forgetting the black level) when you should be able to program a digital device to do almost anything.
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Nashou66
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Spanky Ham
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Scott,
So what is the long range plan on tube production?
| Tim in Phoenix wrote: | | km987654 wrote: | | How much do these sell for?? and why is the simulation market using crt?? |
The Marquees pictured have MSRP around $44000 depending on which lenses. The split pack units are near $50000. CRT is the least expensive solution with accurate grays and pitch black, and simple geometery control to flatten the image on a curved surface.
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Marquees have the best MTBF ( Mean time between failures) in the industry. That is why they are used simulators. These some times run 24/7. Digital's just wont hold up.
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While this may be true, one of the biggest reasons is the fact these sims were built for CRTs. It would be cost prohibitive to retrofit or start new, although some may try. 
As for working on a curved screen, VDC may have that taken care of with their LED pj. Also, these may actually hold up long term. If not, then VDC may be out of business in short order.
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macgyver655
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Marquees have the best MTBF ( Mean time between failures) in the industry.
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I must have missed this survey. Do you have a link for it? Thanks. 
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dvh99
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my marquee is still going strong  , not 24/7 but close for 1 year now.
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Nashou66
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tse
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| Nashou66 wrote: | It is on their spec sheet Ron. I think we had this discussion before.
Now how accurate is that data? I have no idea but its there in the data sheet.
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Why, of course it's true. Ask any Marquee salesman.
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Nashou66
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Curt Palme
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From what I've seen, I believe it. THEre's a Marquee on Videogon right now with 75K hours on the chassis. I've had one here with 68K hours, and a whole bunch that I resold with about 40-50K hours on them. I've said it before, I'd rather own a high hour chassis that's been on 24/7 than an 8000 hour chassis that was turned on and off several times a day over a 10 year+ period.
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macgyver655
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| tse wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | It is on their spec sheet Ron. I think we had this discussion before.
Now how accurate is that data? I have no idea but its there in the data sheet.
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Why, of course it's true. Ask any Marquee salesman.
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Ahhh, just as I thought......
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macgyver655
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | From what I've seen, I believe it. THEre's a Marquee on Videogon right now with 75K hours on the chassis. I've had one here with 68K hours, and a whole bunch that I resold with about 40-50K hours on them. I've said it before, I'd rather own a high hour chassis that's been on 24/7 than an 8000 hour chassis that was turned on and off several times a day over a 10 year+ period. |
Hehehehehe................ 
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stefuel
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The US Navy still uses CRT
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cmjohnson
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My stock of minty Thomas tubes will ensure that I'll never be without tubes. Not that it's a problem...I've got no more than 500 hours on my rebuilt 9500LC's tubes and that's in four years.
Honestly I don't use the projector very much. It's only for movies.
At this rate I'll be in my 90s before it's time to retube.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Last i checked, there is still 2 brand new Barco Cine 9 projectors available too.
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I mean I love CRT even though I work with digital projectors all day but I just find it interesting that you can't do what is needed with digital equipment (forgetting the black level) when you should be able to program a digital device to do almost anything. |
I dont agree. The best of digital is still a poor 2nd to the best of analog in many things, not just in display devices.
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km987654
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | Last i checked, there is still 2 brand new Barco Cine 9 projectors available too.
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I mean I love CRT even though I work with digital projectors all day but I just find it interesting that you can't do what is needed with digital equipment (forgetting the black level) when you should be able to program a digital device to do almost anything. |
I dont agree. The best of digital is still a poor 2nd to the best of analog in many things, not just in display devices. |
Its not a question of better image quality (thats why I love my CRT projector) its a question of configuration and a digital devices should be able to be configured to do almost anything so why not use digitals for simulators.
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Curt Palme
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Its not a question of better image quality (thats why I love my CRT projector) its a question of configuration and a digital devices should be able to be configured to do almost anything so why not use digitals for simulators. |
Digitals are the latest thing in planetariums, but since you can't tweak the convergence and geometry in a digital, the manipulation has to be done at the signal source level. It's a complete redesign of the signal source, so a refit of a 6 CRT projector planetarium to 6 digitals is about $1- 1.5 mil to do.
That's a good thing, that means I'll be maintaining 1209s and 909s for years yet.
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km987654
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | km987654 wrote: |
Its not a question of better image quality (thats why I love my CRT projector) its a question of configuration and a digital devices should be able to be configured to do almost anything so why not use digitals for simulators. |
Digitals are the latest thing in planetariums, but since you can't tweak the convergence and geometry in a digital, the manipulation has to be done at the signal source level. It's a complete redesign of the signal source, so a refit of a 6 CRT projector planetarium to 6 digitals is about $1- 1.5 mil to do.
That's a good thing, that means I'll be maintaining 1209s and 909s for years yet. |
So we need a 3 gun digital projector with convergence.
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