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MikeEby
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| ecrabb wrote: | You know... I might just blow off the high-res audio in favor of having instant access to all the demo clips I want. MKV with core audio is better than farting around swapping four different discs, skipping trailers and (not skipping) FBI warning screens and such...
I'll try Mike's GUI, though and try streaming the MKV's and see how that works.
Thanks, Greg!
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Let me know if you have any issues...We will work through them...Sometime I want to do a double blind study between FLAC, AC3/DTS & DTS-HD/TrueHD just to see if you can really hear a difference.
I would swear my FLAC rips sound better then AC3/DTS but I've never really compared the two on the same movie. My equipment won't decode DTS-HD/TrueHD so I can't even test those.
SC...I didn't follow what you will be using as a player...A PS3, slim or fat?
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ecrabb
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I can't be 100% sure - it could be placebo, of course - but, I sure do hear a fairly significant difference in the "crispness" or "cleanness" in the advanced audio that just isn't there in the AC3 and DTS core audio tracks... Kinda like a really high-quality mp3... It's not super-obvious that there's anything wrong with it - we're not talking night and day - until you hear the better version. Some recordings make it more obvious than others, but it's often quite noticeable... Especially on things with harmonics like strings, or large-bandwidth sounds like cymbals. I wouldn't be surprised that your FLAC encodes (presumably from the advanced audio tracks, right?) sound better than the core audio tracks. But, a double-blind test would be a blast for sure.
Fat... So, no bitstreaming - just decoded to PCM out the HDMI.
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MikeEby
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| ecrabb wrote: | I wouldn't be surprised that your FLAC encodes (presumably from the advanced audio tracks, right?) sound better than the core audio tracks. But, a double-blind test would be a blast for sure.
Fat... So, no bitstreaming - just decoded to PCM out the HDMI.
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Yes...FLAC is from the Advanced Audio Tracks...Some folks have analyzed the bitstream comparing the FLAC track to the native HiRes tracks and say they are identical...But who knows?
To create the FLAC track from the GUI or EAC3to command line you need to the trial version of the older ArcSoft player...It uses the decoders only and the software itself won't even run on Win7 but the decoders work fine. Will a PS3 do WAV or FLAC audio?
Do you have a PC setup yet for Ripping?
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I don't see why the FLAC track wouldn't be identical to the native advanced track if that's where it came from...
The PS3 won't do FLAC I don't think, and I'm not sure about WAV... What does the MPEG 2 container support? Is PCM the same as WAV?
These three lines from the table of formats the PS3 supports are what I'm interested in...
MPEG-2 PS (MPEG2 Audio Layer 2, AAC LC, AC3(Dolby Digital), LPCM)
MPEG-2 TS（MPEG2 Audio Layer 2, AC3（Dolby Digital）, AAC LC）
MPEG-2 TS（H.264/MPEG-4 AVC, AAC LC）
If it can play those formats, I should be able to get most anything into those formats... The pain seems to be just getting a damn usable m2ts... Why do all the tools FORCE you into MKV? The native m2ts file is on the damn disk, for Pete's sake! Just de-mux, remove AACS, and re-mux... Why aren't there any tools that do that? I tried to find SmartLabs tsMuxeR on SmartLabs' site, but it looks like all the download links are gone. I found it on a mirror... Maybe that will work.
No PC "set up" per se... BD drive is connected to my MacBook, running MakeMKV under OS X, and just moving on to try some Windows tools in my Parallels VM.
I can't believe these tools aren't better. If someone made a good tool that would read the fat MKV that MakeMKV makes and, demux, transocode, etc... They could sell a million copies at $20 apiece. I don't get it... Why do you need 17 different apps to do all this stuff, and why are they all so immature and unpolished?
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Don't use any cinavia protected discs if you are playing them on a PS3. Pretty sure you would have to play 20 minutes of video first, but just in case i would avoid them.(most of the discs are crap movies)
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ecrabb
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I'd never even heard of Cinavia... Had to look it up.
I think I've only watched two of the BD's that were on the Cinavia list, and both worked fine - Social Network, and Karate Kid... But, they were RedBox discs, and perhaps didn't have the Cinavia DRM on them.
Effin' DRM. Makes me want to rip and burn just because...
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greg_mitch
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Tversity says it will convert all the flac audio files to WAV and maintain its losslessness (is that a word?!).
I will try to round up a network cable today after work and see if I can get the Xbox to play from Tversity. I tried to stream an MKV to the iPad but of course you have to pay if you want to do that? Why would they NOT want to just include basic DLNA capability is beyond me. (i know why they don't include it...just being sarcastic!)
PS...I love watching you get all worked up about using PC's!
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MikeEby
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| greg_mitch wrote: | Tversity says it will convert all the flac audio files to WAV and maintain its losslessness (is that a word?!).
I will try to round up a network cable today after work and see if I can get the Xbox to play from Tversity. I tried to stream an MKV to the iPad but of course you have to pay if you want to do that? Why would they NOT want to just include basic DLNA capability is beyond me. (i know why they don't include it...just being sarcastic!)
PS...I love watching you get all worked up about using PC's! |
I'm pretty sure if you have the Arcsoft codex installed Eac3to will convert DTS-HD to wav...So with minor change to my GUI it could also. I'll do a bit of testing tonight. I already do that with movies like Ratatouille that have a PCM lossless track, it converts it to a WAV.
It would be nice to get MKV's to play on a PS3 with lossless audio.
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I think I've only watched two of the BD's that were on the Cinavia list, and both worked fine - Social Network, and Karate Kid... But, they were RedBox discs, and perhaps didn't have the Cinavia DRM on them.
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Only goes crazy if you rip them to mkv or copy the blu-ray. Just watching the disc isn't a problem.
If you ripped the social network to mkv, and watched it on your ps3, millions of people want to know how lol !!! Also, i think they are only in the HD audio tracks, if you rip to ac3 i think it still works.
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MikeEby
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| TheVerge wrote: | | ecrabb wrote: |
I think I've only watched two of the BD's that were on the Cinavia list, and both worked fine - Social Network, and Karate Kid... But, they were RedBox discs, and perhaps didn't have the Cinavia DRM on them.
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Only goes crazy if you rip them to mkv or copy the blu-ray. Just watching the disc isn't a problem.
If you ripped the social network to mkv, and watched it on your ps3, millions of people want to know how lol !!! Also, i think they are only in the HD audio tracks, if you rip to ac3 i think it still works. |
I see...so it only effects a PS3?...I was going say I've ripped it and it worked without issue.
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| greg_mitch wrote: | | PS...I love watching you get all worked up about using PC's! |
Well, ordinarily that might be true... But, in this case, I was expressing my disgust for the video tools situation in general. It seems to me that regardless of platform (it's the same on OS X), all these video tools to do simple things - like, say convert an MPEG transport stream into a program stream or demux into elementary streams - there are many of them, but they all suck in one way or another!
First of all, there are 101 different tools that all do only one or two things. Then, the few that are multi-function, either don't work reliably, or even if they do, look like a freshmen year software engineering project...
I'm not a software developer, but is there some reason that working with MPEG files is so difficult? I'm not even talking about transcoding - I can see how that would get hairy... I'm just talking about SIMPLE stuff like demuxing an MPEG-2 transport stream. I mean, how long as the modern MPEG-2 standard we're using been around, 10 years? Even the Blu-ray standard is what, years old, now?
Why does working with video files seem like it's right up there in difficulty with sending a man to the moon?
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We ALL agree with you on that!
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MikeEby
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Ok....I created a MKV with a lossless WAV track from a BD that had a DTS-HD audio track and it played fine...The only catch was the audio track alone was 12GB.
I'm going to try some different video editing packages and see if I can edit the file.
SC...Does a Mac have any package built in that can do simple HD editing?....I've only been into the Mac side of my MacBook about 10 times. I use Windows 95% of the time.
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SC,
You might like this....I just loaded VLC my MacBook and all my BD Rips seem to play flawless....Even the subtitles work! The only thing I don't know is if the display port will output multi-channel audio. This image doesn't do it justice...It's really beautiful, I'm extremely impressed with the quality...Motion is as good as on a Windows PC...rock stable too, just like Windows  ....I started and played 20 or so movies moving the navigation bar back and forth...some with MPEG2, H.264 and VC1...all worked perfect.
I tried a Power Director for editing but it only takes the video without audio. You might be able to bring the audio in as a separate track, however matching it up could get very time consuming.
There are a few tool out there that can trim an MKV...I'm going to look and see how they work.
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Is something screwy with the perspective on that shot? They keyboard looks so tiny compared to the rest of the laptop there...looks odd really.
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MikeEby
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| greg_mitch wrote: | | Is something screwy with the perspective on that shot? They keyboard looks so tiny compared to the rest of the laptop there...looks odd really. |
No that's the way they look....It's a 17" so the screen is big compared to the keyboard.....It's great design... hehe
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I just used MKVMerge GUI and spilt an MKV into pieces....It's really easy you just use comma separated timecodes on the global tab. 00:00:33,00:03:00.
That will give you 3 files....the first 33 seconds the next 3 minutes and the rest of the movie.
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Where are all the stops for the theater visits? Are they all in Des Moines?
Thanks
Eugene
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Ankeny and Des Moines, Eugene... Thinking about coming? You should!
Mike - that looks kick ass! I'll do some testing this week and post here.... Looks promising! Thanks!!!
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Ecrabb,
A scene from Master and Commander would show off your new subs!
I can't remember the scene but my A5-350 was a thumpin last time I watched that movie!
Brad
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