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virusc



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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:54 pm    Post subject: has their been a recent price drop on 9" CRT projectors

I see a 9501 listed for only $1500 on videogon. Have the prices dropped to this level or have they been their for awhile? What is the current rate on ebay and the gon's websites lately?

2nd. Are any 8"EM crt's selling for more than $1000 on the used market (no from resellers)?
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Nashou66



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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:51 pm    Post subject:

Yep , its true and Sad to say. 8 inch marquees are going for under 300 bucks now unless its an LC and then people dont want to re-bellow a 8 inch machine.
I never understood how people think, you can save a crap load of money now on a CRT and the money saved could be put into it to keep it going for years on end which is still cheaper than going digital for a decent unit with close to CRT blacks. If i Had a choice to spend 300 bucks for a 8 inch marquee id be happy to spend another 2.5k on new tubes and other upgrades to keep it for another 7 years or so. I just can't come to the fact that Id buy a 5k digital and after 3-6 years have to throw it away. Id rather spend money to keep my CRT alive at half the cost of buying a new Digital of the same price.

And with the latest realization that LEDs dim much faster than LCD or Plasma is making my CRT's much more attractive.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1278372

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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:08 pm    Post subject:

man, guess i picked a bad time to give up on HT. timing is everything as always.
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secstate



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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:50 pm    Post subject:

I'd say it is true for non-resellers. I'd say that most 9" sets now fetch $2k or less on the used market unless you are a reseller or it is particularly minty and many are going for less than $1k. I honestly don't pay much attention to 8" set anymore. But I couldn't get $500 a year ago for a Barco Data 808s, with upgraded P16s (high res tubes) with less than a 1000s hours on them and only about 3000 hours on the chassis. I parted it out and keeping the HV stuff and made $500. I'd guess today I wouldn't even make half that on the parts. Most people today don't want the initial hassle of a CRT. As long as the CRT on my ceiling keeps working I intend to keep using it but if it goes pear shaped as the Brits say then I'll probably go digital.
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:55 pm    Post subject:

Keep in mind as well that many of these sets now need quite a bit of work to get them going properly, and I'm not talking just tubes. Recapping, new chips, blah blah all add time and money to the set. I've dropped my pricing steadily as well over the years, but also am not buying anything unless it's a high end 8" or 9" set, and am offering almost nothing for even those, as I know they'll need a lot of work.

I turned down buying a 1272 and three XGs this morning already, as they weren't even worth the shipping price to me.
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virusc



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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:53 pm    Post subject:

LED fade fast? This is new to me.

I once had a mint nearly new 1209s but I had to sell 7 years ago as I needed the money. Looks like my dream of owning a nice 9" set might happen again.

Is it possible to get a so-so barco 909 or cin9 now for <$1000?
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:32 pm    Post subject:

virusc wrote:
Is it possible to get a so-so barco 909 or cin9 now for <$1000?

If recent history is a guide, definitely not. As parts machines alone, they're probably worth more than double that to many buyers completely irrespective of tube condition.

It's going to be some time before you'll be able to pick up a working 909/Cine 9 for under a grand, unless it's a distressed sale, or you're the only person who knows about it and the seller doesn't know what he has.

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km987654



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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:45 pm    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
Yep , its true and Sad to say. 8 inch marquees are going for under 300 bucks now unless its an LC and then people dont want to re-bellow a 8 inch machine.
I never understood how people think, you can save a crap load of money now on a CRT and the money saved could be put into it to keep it going for years on end which is still cheaper than going digital for a decent unit with close to CRT blacks. If i Had a choice to spend 300 bucks for a 8 inch marquee id be happy to spend another 2.5k on new tubes and other upgrades to keep it for another 7 years or so. I just can't come to the fact that Id buy a 5k digital and after 3-6 years have to throw it away. Id rather spend money to keep my CRT alive at half the cost of buying a new Digital of the same price.

And with the latest realization that LEDs dim much faster than LCD or Plasma is making my CRT's much more attractive.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1278372

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secstate



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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:50 pm    Post subject:

ecrabb wrote:
virusc wrote:
Is it possible to get a so-so barco 909 or cin9 now for <$1000?

If recent history is a guide, definitely not. As parts machines alone, they're probably worth more than double that to many buyers completely irrespective of tube condition.

It's going to be some time before you'll be able to pick up a working 909/Cine 9 for under a grand, unless it's a distressed sale, or you're the only person who knows about it and the seller doesn't know what he has.

SC


Yeah I have to agree I think G90s and 909s due to their parts still have value greater than $1000 and honestly probably closer to $2000. However Barco 1209s, their Runco clones and Electrohome 9500s can be found with luck and patience at less than a $1000. As always YMMV.
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Elaine Benes



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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:55 pm    Post subject: Re: has their been a recent price drop on 9" CRT projec

virusc wrote:
I see a 9501 listed for only $1500 on videogon. Have the prices dropped to this level or have they been their for awhile? What is the current rate on ebay and the gon's websites lately?

2nd. Are any 8"EM crt's selling for more than $1000 on the used market (no from resellers)?


Um, yeah, if there's something for sale, and NO ONE is buying it, then yeah, the prices are falling...

That Marquee has been up for a week at least...I'd say the price point for a sale is quite a bit lower than the asking price....but I'm pretty pessimistic since NO ONE wanted to even OFFER $500. for a 8500LC which had virtually new tubes, an 03 VIM, and a Moome input board. I would have sold the whole thing for $500. and instead, I was forced to part it out since NO ONE wanted to even make an offer on it...

So yes, CRT projectors aren't worth a crap to anyone but the 40 or so guys who still come here regularly, and we're almost all cheap bastards anyway...

My buddy with a G90 recently asked me if I'd part out his G90 if he gave it to me, I answered honestly that I'd keep it and replace my current projector, but really, there's no way I'd get even a decent amount for it whether I parted or sold it whole, so I might as well keep it if he decides to divest...

And no, only fools are paying more than $1000. for ANY 8" crt projectors...even multiples of 8" crt projectors...the last guy to post about buying 8" crt projectors bought 3 NEC LC's for $200.TOTAL, which is indicative of their current "market" value...
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secstate



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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:22 am    Post subject:

virusc wrote:
LED fade fast? This is new to me.



I cannot speak for the LEDs used in TVs but for sure it is a known problem with the high output white LEDs used for home lighting. When I was researching energy efficient under counter lighting I saw a numerous reports of people reporting fading on the "cheaper" (relative term) LED lights. After that I kept an eye on the display units at Lowes and sure enough it appears to be happening to them. Of course they are on 24x7 but in 9 months I have been looking they for sure have gotten dimmer.
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Tom.W



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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:49 am    Post subject:

Even the LED experts are having problems measuring data.....


http://www.ledjournal.com/eprints/Osram_oct09.html
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Spanky Ham



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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:00 am    Post subject:

Elaine,
The prices may be declining here, but they are still up in China. I am trying to get my best friend's father in law to help me get these 909s listed over there. I am also trying to find a guy that I knew from last year that did a lot of business in Hong Kong.
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km987654



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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:32 am    Post subject:

Spanky Ham wrote:
Elaine,
The prices may be declining here, but they are still up in China. I am trying to get my best friend's father in law to help me get these 909s listed over there. I am also trying to find a guy that I knew from last year that did a lot of business in Hong Kong.


I find it interesting that CRT prices are high in the country that would be the home of digital projector production. Laughing
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RogerH



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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:18 pm    Post subject:

The market for 8 inchers may be dead and 9 inchers may be dropping in value, but apparently 7" ES CRTs are alive and booming... Just check out this local CraigsList ad:

Quote:


General Information:
Manufacturer Sony

Manufacturer Part Number VPH-D50HTU ($4800)

Whether you are in a family room or conference room, this projector is an excellent addition for your presentation needs. Bright enough to use with the lights on that is perfect for movies, gamers, churches, classrooms, etc. This projector is originally retailed $60,000, and used good condition goes for $9000. I am selling this for only $4800. Hook it up to your computer, laptop, PS3, XBOX 360, DVD Player, cable or satellite HDTV and much more. The VPH-D50HTU Multiscan Projector is loaded with features, such as a Pre-Installed Line Doubler and Direct Video Memory Selection. The unit has a unique White/Gray color cabinet design that will blend beautifully with any ceiling or room decor.



I removed the contact information out of respect for the "no working projector sales" rule and so you guys wouldn't fight over it. Mr. Green
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Spanky Ham



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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:37 pm    Post subject:

Roger,
That is funny. I may have you beat, though.
http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/ele/2065422604.html

This guy started at like $4000 back over the summer. If someone got even $1500 for these pjs, then I would start listing the Barcos for $10k.Smile
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virusc



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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:58 pm    Post subject:

It makes perfect since to me that high end CRTs are big in China and places like Russia too. They are 10-20 years behind the times in terms of what the higher income people see as trendy and high end. It has little to do with the actually real world today performance of these high end pieces but rather peoples perception of wanting one. It's more about a lifestyle than what it actually does.
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Curt Palme
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:12 pm    Post subject:

Nah, the comments I get from my Chinese customers are the same as here: 'Damn that picture looks fantastic!".

I think the audio and videophiles there still do take the time to install sets like this, rather than the North American 'I want it NOW' nature of purchases. Which of course is somewhat ironic, since a bunch of the disposable stuff gets cranked out from China. Smile
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Nashou66



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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:33 pm    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
Nah, the comments I get from my Chinese customers are the same as here: 'Damn that picture looks fantastic!".

I think the audio and videophiles there still do take the time to install sets like this, rather than the North American 'I want it NOW' nature of purchases. Which of course is somewhat ironic, since a bunch of the disposable stuff gets cranked out from China. Smile


They'er not stupid, they know that it's junk and are buying up all the good stuff and selling their junk to us.
We have a must be new mentality. Except for jeremy Wink

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virusc



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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:57 pm    Post subject:

I can't tell if you guys are being sarcastic. Asia seems to have a elitist audio/videophile following that is not only based on performance but rather being accepted into some secret group or something. Same thing happens here but I think it is much greater in Asia possibly due to the large income gap and technically inclined culture. Anyone else notice this or agree?
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