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SweetChuck
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| dokworm wrote: | | Yeah, after seeing some recent digital machines, that are too quiet to hear, and throw a picture with shadow detail that I have never seen on a CRT, and for cheaper than a G90 with no hassles to go with it, I wouldn't buy another CRT now. Mind you, we have had a bloody good run with them! |
Which Digital would that be ? I'm yet to see any digital that flicks my switch , even at the local cinema
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Elaine Benes
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:22 am Post subject: |
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Which Digital would that be ? I'm yet to see any digital that flicks my switch , even at the local cinema |
I see this kind of comment posted by CRT enthusiasts alot....
Get out there and see REAL home theater images from enthusiasts like yourself. My buddy has a couple of Epson 1080p LCD's, can't recall the exact models, but they ALL look absolutely FANTASTIC. He has a G90 too, so we can EASILY do comparisons, and pretty much the ONLY stuff that looks "better" on the G90 is stuff like Pandora(virtually all scenes are totally black), EVERYTHING else looks way, way, way way better on the Epsons. And the G90 is setup perfectly, calibrated to D6500, gamma boost etc, etc....
The key is the digitals are ALSO calibrated and setup properly. Often, especially in commercial environments like retail outlets, the digitals are not calibrated at all and are "setup" by the guy who took it out of the box...
And don't get me started on the "local cinema". Our local cinema's here in Canada have been bereft of professional projectionists since Garth Drabinski, in all his greed, broke the projectionists union in the late '80's. Film projection is the "profession" of part time high school students now who flick the switch and then start texting their friends, ignoring everything else till they have to flick the switch to off ....Local cinemas account for some of the WORST images I've ever seen, when I see a movie at the theater, usually I think, "boy, I can't wait till this is on Blu Ray so I can see it at home where it will REALLY look good"....
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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:43 am Post subject: |
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Elaine,
I am guessing that is Deja Vu. I don't totally disagree, but I still am not a big fan of LCDs and yes I have seen them. If you are talking about a well set up LCOS or DLP, then I agree that they have their advantages. CRT still wins in on/off and motion though.
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SweetChuck
Joined: 01 Jun 2007
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Location: Queensland Australia
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| Elaine Benes wrote: | | Quote: |
Which Digital would that be ? I'm yet to see any digital that flicks my switch , even at the local cinema |
I see this kind of comment posted by CRT enthusiasts alot....
Get out there and see REAL home theater images from enthusiasts like yourself. My buddy has a couple of Epson 1080p LCD's, can't recall the exact models, but they ALL look absolutely FANTASTIC. He has a G90 too, so we can EASILY do comparisons, and pretty much the ONLY stuff that looks "better" on the G90 is stuff like Pandora(virtually all scenes are totally black), EVERYTHING else looks way, way, way way better on the Epsons. And the G90 is setup perfectly, calibrated to D6500, gamma boost etc, etc....
The key is the digitals are ALSO calibrated and setup properly. Often, especially in commercial environments like retail outlets, the digitals are not calibrated at all and are "setup" by the guy who took it out of the box...
And don't get me started on the "local cinema". Our local cinema's here in Canada have been bereft of professional projectionists since Garth Drabinski, in all his greed, broke the projectionists union in the late '80's. Film projection is the "profession" of part time high school students now who flick the switch and then start texting their friends, ignoring everything else till they have to flick the switch to off ....Local cinemas account for some of the WORST images I've ever seen, when I see a movie at the theater, usually I think, "boy, I can't wait till this is on Blu Ray so I can see it at home where it will REALLY look good".... |
So your saying digital has finally surpased CRT , I wouldn't know as I havn't been in the loop for a while, Are you saying for less $$ I can have a better Pix on my 3 metre screen, and I won't see pixels from 7 feet away ? I'm A die hard but Not totally stuborn , I just want the best for reasonable $$$ ie 3-4 $k
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Elaine Benes
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Every display technology has its advantages and disadvantages, we in CRT world generally tend to discount the real advantages that digitals have. I'm not so maniacal in my support of CRT, I love my projector, but when I can replace it with a silent LCD/DLP/LED?/LCOS? that is brighter and sharper and better focused and just as cheap or cheaper, I'll do it without a second thought.
Pretty much ALL digitals are now sharper than CRT, and in a real sense, the LCD's that I'm most familiar with have MUCH MUCH better "in scene" contrast, and much, much better shadow detail. They don't have "absolute black" but honestly, I don't set up my CRT projector to produce "absolute black" because I prefer to be able to see a bit of shadow detail...
So whatever turns your crank will dictate how hard you fall for a particular technology, I'm not tied to anything, and sharpness and shadow detail are likely my personal biggest turn on's, so CRT has always been a choice of economics for me. I bought my current high resolution tubed and circuitry equipped Barco 808 for $200., when I can replace it with a 1080p digital which has BETTER sharpness and shadow detail for the same cost, I'll do it without hesitation.
Lamp cost for the current 1080p LCD's are also very little in my consideration since they can be had for under $100./lamp with a little searching, and last 4000+ hours...
The issue I see HERE is, often, people are being advised to buy HIGH END crt projectors, when, for the same money, or often, A LOT LESS, they will get a better picture in many respects short of absolute black, from a brand new digital which comes with a real warranty and has some real advantages which remain unexplored by the crt community...
The line between Best is much, much, much less clear nowadays, and in many instances, digital IS the better choice.
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km987654
Joined: 25 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| Elaine Benes wrote: | Every display technology has its advantages and disadvantages, we in CRT world generally tend to discount the real advantages that digitals have. I'm not so maniacal in my support of CRT, I love my projector, but when I can replace it with a silent LCD/DLP/LED?/LCOS? that is brighter and sharper and better focused and just as cheap or cheaper, I'll do it without a second thought.
Pretty much ALL digitals are now sharper than CRT, and in a real sense, the LCD's that I'm most familiar with have MUCH MUCH better "in scene" contrast, and much, much better shadow detail. They don't have "absolute black" but honestly, I don't set up my CRT projector to produce "absolute black" because I prefer to be able to see a bit of shadow detail...
So whatever turns your crank will dictate how hard you fall for a particular technology, I'm not tied to anything, and sharpness and shadow detail are likely my personal biggest turn on's, so CRT has always been a choice of economics for me. I bought my current high resolution tubed and circuitry equipped Barco 808 for $200., when I can replace it with a 1080p digital which has BETTER sharpness and shadow detail for the same cost, I'll do it without hesitation.
Lamp cost for the current 1080p LCD's are also very little in my consideration since they can be had for under $100./lamp with a little searching, and last 4000+ hours...
The issue I see HERE is, often, people are being advised to buy HIGH END crt projectors, when, for the same money, or often, A LOT LESS, they will get a better picture in many respects short of absolute black, from a brand new digital which comes with a real warranty and has some real advantages which remain unexplored by the crt community...
The line between Best is much, much, much less clear nowadays, and in many instances, digital IS the better choice. |
I guess for a lot of CRT owners on this forum flicking to digital is something they will do when ready and good luck to them but there are others like me I hope that just like what CRT does. As pointed out above every technology has its adantages and disadvantages. In fact I will go further and say each technology produces its image differently and therfore will always display differences and its those differences in CRT that some of us find keeps us with CRT for as long as we can irrespective of pricing. If ultimatley I have a digital in place of CRT it will be because I can no longer service the CRT unit I have and that is what I believe this forum is about so if you want digital go for it and go to the relevent digital forum and I am not sticking my head in the sand or saying CRT is superior and digitals will never be better I am saying there is a forum for digital discussions and its not this one. 
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dokworm
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
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| km987654 wrote: | | Elaine Benes wrote: | Every display technology has its advantages and disadvantages, we in CRT world generally tend to discount the real advantages that digitals have. I'm not so maniacal in my support of CRT, I love my projector, but when I can replace it with a silent LCD/DLP/LED?/LCOS? that is brighter and sharper and better focused and just as cheap or cheaper, I'll do it without a second thought.
Pretty much ALL digitals are now sharper than CRT, and in a real sense, the LCD's that I'm most familiar with have MUCH MUCH better "in scene" contrast, and much, much better shadow detail. They don't have "absolute black" but honestly, I don't set up my CRT projector to produce "absolute black" because I prefer to be able to see a bit of shadow detail...
So whatever turns your crank will dictate how hard you fall for a particular technology, I'm not tied to anything, and sharpness and shadow detail are likely my personal biggest turn on's, so CRT has always been a choice of economics for me. I bought my current high resolution tubed and circuitry equipped Barco 808 for $200., when I can replace it with a 1080p digital which has BETTER sharpness and shadow detail for the same cost, I'll do it without hesitation.
Lamp cost for the current 1080p LCD's are also very little in my consideration since they can be had for under $100./lamp with a little searching, and last 4000+ hours...
The issue I see HERE is, often, people are being advised to buy HIGH END crt projectors, when, for the same money, or often, A LOT LESS, they will get a better picture in many respects short of absolute black, from a brand new digital which comes with a real warranty and has some real advantages which remain unexplored by the crt community...
The line between Best is much, much, much less clear nowadays, and in many instances, digital IS the better choice. |
I guess for a lot of CRT owners on this forum flicking to digital is something they will do when ready and good luck to them but there are others like me I hope that just like what CRT does. As pointed out above every technology has its adantages and disadvantages. In fact I will go further and say each technology produces its image differently and therfore will always display differences and its those differences in CRT that some of us find keeps us with CRT for as long as we can irrespective of pricing. If ultimatley I have a digital in place of CRT it will be because I can no longer service the CRT unit I have and that is what I believe this forum is about so if you want digital go for it and go to the relevent digital forum and I am not sticking my head in the sand or saying CRT is superior and digitals will never be better I am saying there is a forum for digital discussions and its not this one. |
I think it has its place in this forum, especially when someone says they are looking to upgrade from their current CRT, as digitals have (finally, and it has been a long road) surpassed CRT in pretty much every movie you can watch, both in sharpness and shadow detail, and on the newer models, to my eyes they are better in motion as well.
I'm like you, I won't be switching to digital until I can no longer repair my NEC XGLC and I get a better job.
However I now have to move house, and I know that if I did have the money I'd probably give the XG away and go with a JVC-950.
The Aussie CRT group had a viewing of a Sony HW15 not long ago, and all of us had to admit that it looked better then on our CRTs, especially on Avatar. The JVC-950 is a big step up from the HW15, and one of the group is installing one next month and we are all going to go take a gander at it. Plus they are both totally silent, which is another big plus.
So to answer one of the earlier questions, yeah, you can now at last get a digital that will match or out-do your CRT if you are looking to replace one, and the new 3D capable JVCs look astounding if 3D floats your boat.
I also agree that this is not the forum for having lots and lots of threads discussing the various digital units, this is a place for CRT users to share and repair and enjoy their hobby, but I think the occasional thread, especially when someone is looking for advice on upgrading their CRT, would be, well, incomplete without mentioning the digital alternatives.
Sweetchuck (love the colour-blindness test BTW) the JVC-950 can be had for around 4K at the moment and the HW15 can be had for 3K or less, I'd look to see both setup in an enthusiasts theatre if you can. You won't see the pixels and you will see the shadow detail.
Now if you will excuse me, I need to work out why my XG is suddenly not recognising the PS3 input so I can watch the Formula 1!
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SweetChuck
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Well I did a side by side test of a JVC 950 last night and I must say I was very impressed , the best digital I have seen , somethings I didn't like though were the lack of total blacks obviously, and the grainy sort of artifacts and general blocky harshness of the pics like un natural looking motion evident with clouds and sky . Mind blowingly sharp however I did see some convergence problems though very minor. I'm almost sold,,,,,, almost ! I can't help the feeling I should wait a few more years untill the technology matures then I shall go digital .
After the salesman left with his sharp projector, I watched the A team on my CRT and it just felt and looked right for me , very natural and organic, Despite the fan noise I was happy . The digital guy could not believe the colors and depth of the CRT
| Quote: | | the JVC-950 can be had for around 4K at the moment |
Where ?? This guy wanted $7.9K for his Ha ha
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