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CIR Engineering
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The newer 3D D-Cinema projectors are very bright, sharp and finally of the 3 CHIP DLP technology, the colors are getting closer to CRT. They are still using the black chip technology for DLP, which allows for better black levels, because by diminishing the opportunity for light to reflect between the mirrors it makes for better and cleaner low level performance. And that makes for a better overall image. But getting really good black level performance out of any high power digital technology is still something for a future technology. But 3D will somewhat take the focus off of the low end...
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Ironically, the 3D glasses also really help the black and low end levels on digital projectors because the glasses act as a neutral density filter. So 3D actually makes the black level better on digital projectors.
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jantje112
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[quote="CIR Engineering"] | jantje112 wrote: | The last 2 pages focus more on the lumagen I noticed.
Don't use the Samsung glasses without either a Lumagen or a way to adjust the timing delay. The Samsung glasses when used with a universal emitter will have a band across the top of the screen due to timing problems that must be adjusted. Use almost any glasses with a home brew 3D solution, except NOT Samsung or Mitsubishi (same thing). However, if you use a Lumagen or one of the future Moome solutions the Samsung glasses are my favorite at the moment.
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Hi Craigr,
The link you provided isn't availeble Does the moome option ext v3 provide the necesarry solution for timing on the samsung glasses, or do you mean a new solution not for sale at the moment.
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JohnHWman
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | I am running 96Hz 810 active vertical... here are my timings for 96Hz.
720p 96Hz
Vtotal 1130
Vactive 810
Vfront 100
Vsync 5
| Hello Craig,
I assume that you use 1280x720p96 1.78:1 AR but is there a chance to optimize the VBW of the projector in using 2.35:1 AR resolution such as 1920x817p96 for 2.35 material (like we do for 2D) ? According to my current 1920x817p 2D mode Pixelclock (133,24MHz), I assume that 1920x817p96 or maybe 1920x817p120 for 3D can fit our need on G90 VBW, yes ?
Is there a chance to be able to try these 2.35 AR 3D modes on the lumagen Radiance scaler ?
Thx
John
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jantje112
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| JohnHWman wrote: | | CIR Engineering wrote: | I am running 96Hz 810 active vertical... here are my timings for 96Hz.
720p 96Hz
Vtotal 1130
Vactive 810
Vfront 100
Vsync 5
| Hello Craig,
I assume that you use 1280x720p96 1.78:1 AR but is there a chance to optimize the VBW of the projector in using 2.35:1 AR resolution such as 1920x817p96 for 2.35 material (like we do for 2D) ? According to my current 1920x817p 2D mode Pixelclock (133,24MHz), I assume that 1920x817p96 or maybe 1920x817p120 for 3D can fit our need on G90 VBW, yes ?
Is there a chance to be able to try these 2.35 AR 3D modes on the lumagen Radiance scaler ?
Thx
John |
Almost everythong 3d is in the 169 format..
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JohnHWman
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| jantje112 wrote: | | Almost everythong 3d is in the 169 format.. | Yes, true, but maybe some movies will be 2.35:1 somedays, who knows ?
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CIR Engineering
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Hello Craig,
I assume that you use 1280x720p96 1.78:1 AR but is there a chance to optimize the VBW of the projector in using 2.35:1 AR resolution such as 1920x817p96 for 2.35 material (like we do for 2D) ? According to my current 1920x817p 2D mode Pixelclock (133,24MHz), I assume that 1920x817p96 or maybe 1920x817p120 for 3D can fit our need on G90 VBW, yes ?
Is there a chance to be able to try these 2.35 AR 3D modes on the lumagen Radiance scaler ?
Thx
John |
See this post and read a few after that John.
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=293348#293348
Also doing 817x1920 96Hz is something that Patrick would like to add later, but it is going to be a special case. I think the issue is that (and I may be wrong) the Radiance does not have enough RAM to run such a resolution while maintain the ability to have OSD's (on screen menus) up at the same time. I think Patrick said he will have to design new FPGA software that would mute the picture when entering the Radiance menu.
However John at this point I must point out that I have found 3D isn't really about that after all. I just don't think using timings to optimize resolutions is nearly as important as reducing ghosting. For example, I would much rather run something like Vtotal at 1400 with 1080p active while chopping Htotal down as little as possible. I am using one resolution right now for both 2.35 and 1.78 because the more Vtotal pixels you have regardless of resolution, the less ghosting you will get... I am however using two different STYLES for glasses timings, one for 2.35 and the other for 1.78. This way I can add more delay to 2.35 and achieve very little ghosting.
You might want to read a few posts starting here:
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=290340#290340
The other point regarding timings and resolutions is that this is only 3D... I mean, the image isn't about perfection anymore. There will always be some ghosting and other imperfections. Then at the end of the day you also put on blurry dark sun glasses
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CIR Engineering
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Almost everythong 3d is in the 169 format.. |
I had heard that would be the case, but so far I have not found that to be true. The movies I have watched so far have been about half and half. These are what I have seen on the G90.
IMAX Grand Canyon Adventure 1.78
IMAX 3D Triple Feature 1.78
Step Up 3D 1.78
Open Season 1.85
Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs 2.35
Despicable Me 1.85
Coraline 1.85
Monster House 2.40
AVATAR 1.78
Monsters vs Aliens 2.35
Resident Evil Afterlife 2.35
Piranha 2.35
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CIR Engineering
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[quote="jantje112"] | CIR Engineering wrote: | | jantje112 wrote: | The last 2 pages focus more on the lumagen I noticed.
Don't use the Samsung glasses without either a Lumagen or a way to adjust the timing delay. The Samsung glasses when used with a universal emitter will have a band across the top of the screen due to timing problems that must be adjusted. Use almost any glasses with a home brew 3D solution, except NOT Samsung or Mitsubishi (same thing). However, if you use a Lumagen or one of the future Moome solutions the Samsung glasses are my favorite at the moment.
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Hi Craigr,
The link you provided isn't availeble Does the moome option ext v3 provide the necesarry solution for timing on the samsung glasses, or do you mean a new solution not for sale at the moment. |
What link?
I don't think the current Moome v3 has a timing delay adjustment. If that is true, than the current v3 will not work with Samsung glasses.
The Lumagen glasses sync box is available now from your regular Lumagen dealer. If they are out of stock, Lumagen will have more very soon and I am sure you can preorder. This will work perfectly with the Radiance and allow for up to seven different timing delays with the current release firmware.
Regards,
craigr
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mhalsan
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I think there was one or two other folks doing Polarized/Dual Projectors-
Cypress is coming out with a 3D demultiplexer that will run around US$400. The set will split a 3D HDMI 1.4 signal into left and right HDMI 1.3 outputs at 1080p60Hz- just right for CRT. My understanding is that Optoma's 3D-XL unit will do the same thing at about twice the price. The Cypress CH-322 due in April, we'll see how it works.
My last communication with Lumagen indicated that it is very unlikely that they will be supporting dual output. The other option I see bandied about is decryption on an HTPC. Frankly I wouldn't want to be caught with software like that. The music industry had a lot of fun suing people for $$$, I wouldn't put it past the movie industry to try to do the same.
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MikeEby
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Ironically, the 3D glasses also really help the black and low end levels on digital projectors because the glasses act as a neutral density filter. So 3D actually makes the black level better on digital projectors.
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That's the only thing that makes my little cheap Acer tolerable. IMO a masking system makes a huge difference with 3D movies that are scope aspect ratio.
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JohnHWman
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | | However John at this point I must point out that I have found 3D isn't really about that after all. I just don't think using timings to optimize resolutions is nearly as important as reducing ghosting. For example, I would much rather run something like Vtotal at 1400 with 1080p active while chopping Htotal down as little as possible. I am using one resolution right now for both 2.35 and 1.78 because the more Vtotal pixels you have regardless of resolution, the less ghosting you will get... I am however using two different STYLES for glasses timings, one for 2.35 and the other for 1.78. This way I can add more delay to 2.35 and achieve very little ghosting. | Thanks for this reply Craig,
Now I see what the point is : compromise
Can you post in here your Radiance final full settings (custom 3D res. and Styles settings for Samsung 3D Glasses) ? That can help new Radiance Owners (like me) to get good 3D settings at start on their G90 projector
I'm still waiting for my GEN2 IR emitter together with the Oppo BDP-93 3D player delivery (on order) to be able to start playing with all this
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CIR Engineering
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| JohnHWman wrote: | | CIR Engineering wrote: | | However John at this point I must point out that I have found 3D isn't really about that after all. I just don't think using timings to optimize resolutions is nearly as important as reducing ghosting. For example, I would much rather run something like Vtotal at 1400 with 1080p active while chopping Htotal down as little as possible. I am using one resolution right now for both 2.35 and 1.78 because the more Vtotal pixels you have regardless of resolution, the less ghosting you will get... I am however using two different STYLES for glasses timings, one for 2.35 and the other for 1.78. This way I can add more delay to 2.35 and achieve very little ghosting. | Thanks for this reply Craig,
Now I see what the point is : compromise
Can you post in here your Radiance final full settings (custom 3D res. and Styles settings for Samsung 3D Glasses) ? That can help new Radiance Owners (like me) to get good 3D settings at start on their G90 projector
I'm still waiting for my GEN2 IR emitter together with the Oppo BDP-93 3D player delivery (on order) to be able to start playing with all this
John |
Hi John,
I don't have final timings yet as the final firmware that will allow for 1080 Vactive lines is not yet released by Patrick. I plan to work with 1080xZZZZ as a trial resolution next. I think that 1080x960+ is going to work best with as many Vtotal pixels as can be added still allowing for the G90 to stretch the image enough to fill the entire screen with 1.78.
I am also considering moving my projector back 3~10 cm further from the screen. This will allow the G90 to fill the screen with less V-Stretch and allow for more Vtotal pixels. I have my projector slightly too close right now anyway because if I turn picture orbiting on, my corners go off the face of the tubes...
I think ghosting would be all but gone if we could get around 1550~1600 Vtotal with 1080 Vactive, but the G90 might not fill the screen with such a large amount of blanking...
Send me an email John if you want the timings I am using with the current firmware. I don't usually give out my custom settings to people especially not in public
craigr
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JohnHWman
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Thanks for the answer Craig,
I understand that today 3D resolutions that are available on Lumagen firmware are using 720 active lines scanning only. This is still interesting to see the result in this 'low' HD resolution on the G90 in 3D. Once I'll get the BDP-93, I'll try it
I see that the point is less ghosting as possible and for that goal : big V_Porch (blanck) settings are needed to let the green phorphore persistance enough time to decrease.
- For 2.35:1 3D material on the G90, we may be able to keep 1920 pixels H_active while using 817 lines V_active if we can ensure that we keep V_Porch blanking around 400 lines (so ~1200 lines V_total).
- For 1.78:1, I see that if we're trying to keep 1080 V_active lines (so 1500 lines V_Total), we have no other choice than reducing H_Pixels (active) but going lower than 1280 pixels is pointless for me since we already have 1280x720p96 3D resolution, yes ?
I think that keeping the H/V pixels/lines ratio close to 1.78 is important for the PQ, don't you ?
So, for 1.78:1 AR we may choose a 3D custom resolution with something V_Active around ((1080-720)/2)+720 = 900 lines. From this value, we should choose H_Active around 1600 pixels. Ending with a custom 3D res. of 1600x900p96 (with 1300 V_Total) which is still a better resolution than current 1280x720p96. Is this compromise makes sense ?
Later
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CIR Engineering
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| JohnHWman wrote: | Thanks for the answer Craig,
I understand that today 3D resolutions that are available on Lumagen firmware are using 720 active lines scanning only. This is still interesting to see the result in this 'low' HD resolution on the G90 in 3D. Once I'll get the BDP-93, I'll try it
I see that the point is less ghosting as possible and for that goal : big V_Porch (blanck) settings are needed to let the green phorphore persistance enough time to decrease.
- For 2.35:1 3D material on the G90, we may be able to keep 1920 pixels H_active while using 817 lines V_active if we can ensure that we keep V_Porch blanking around 400 lines (so ~860 lines V_total).
- For 1.78:1, I see that if we're trying to keep 1080 V_active lines (so 1500 lines V_Total), we have no other choice than reducing H_Pixels (active) but going lower than 1280 pixels is pointless for me since we already have 1280x720p96 3D resolution, yes ?
I think that keeping the H/V pixels/lines ratio close to 1.78 is important for the PQ, don't you ?
So, for 1.78:1 AR we may choose a 3D custom resolution with something V_Active around ((1080-720)/2)+720 = 900 lines. From this value, we should choose H_Active around 1600 pixels. Ending with a custom 3D res. of 1600x900p96 (with 1300 V_Total) which is still a better resolution than current 1280x720p96. Is this compromise makes sense ?
Later
John |
Well John, I encourage you to explore trying bold new timings and helping contribute to getting the best 3D out of the G90 I think you may find as I did that the more Vtotal the better. I think that Htotal doesn't matter as much for good picture quality in 3D as having as many Vtotal as possible. You may find that when you reduce the Vactive to 817 and run many blanking pixels that you can no longer stretch the image in the G90 enough vertically...
At this point the current firmware has two requirements for custom timings.
1) There must be less than 810 Vactive lines.
2) There must be more than 1280 Hactive lines.
Any combination that follows this rule is allowed right now by Lumagen running 3D. I am running Vactive = 810 right now.
The next FPGA that Patrick will release will include support for 1080 Vactive lines and no longer have a restriction on minimum Hactive lines. I am looking forward to trying 1080x960 and everything in between
craigr
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JohnHWman
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | | You may find that when you reduce the Vactive to 817 and run many blanking pixels that you can no longer stretch the image in the G90 enough vertically... | True, I forgot this limitation (But I'll look at the schematics to see what can we do to overcome this limitation).
| Quote: | | The next FPGA that Patrick will release will include support for 1080 Vactive lines and no longer have a restriction on minimum Hactive lines. | Good ! Is the FPGA IC firmware upgradable through the main firmware loading process ?
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CIR Engineering
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| JohnHWman wrote: | | CIR Engineering wrote: | | You may find that when you reduce the Vactive to 817 and run many blanking pixels that you can no longer stretch the image in the G90 enough vertically... | True, I forgot this limitation (But I'll look at the schematics to see what can we do to overcome this limitation). |
I have been thinking of looking at the schematics as well for this but I have zero time. Let me know if you have a chance to do this John. We could talk on the phone again or switch to emails...
One thing to be concerned about is that if we modify the V-Size circuit in the G90 to work with lots of blanking, the oposite type of timings with little blanking might get adversely affected. We sure don't want to modify V-Size so that it works better with 3D but winds up hurting 2D 817x1920 with something like 850 Vtotal pixels
| JohnHWman wrote: | | Good ! Is the FPGA IC firmware upgradable through the main firmware loading process ? |
Yes, Patrick periodically tweaks the FPGA and makes image quality improvements and also adds features. You can tell when an FPGA is included when you update the FW on the Radiance because the update will take a VERY long time when there is an FPGA included. If there is no FPGA the FW update only takes a couple minutes, but with FPGA the FW update takes five minutes or more.
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Craig,
Is there a trick to getting the Samsung glasses to sync with Gen2 emitter ?
I am unable to get my brand new SG2100 glasses to work.
If I use them with a Samsung tv they work fine.
With the Gen2 emitter plugged in to the Lumagen dongle and set to orange led flashing. It's like the Glasses will not switch on at all.
If I change to orange solid mode my nvidia 3dvision glasses fire up immediately.
Could you give me a ballpark delay figure that gets your Samsung glasses running please.
regards
Alan
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CIR Engineering
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| Alan Head wrote: | Craig,
Is there a trick to getting the Samsung glasses to sync with Gen2 emitter ?
I am unable to get my brand new SG2100 glasses to work.
If I use them with a Samsung tv they work fine.
With the Gen2 emitter plugged in to the Lumagen dongle and set to orange led flashing. It's like the Glasses will not switch on at all.
If I change to orange blinking mode my nvidia 3dvision glasses fire up immediately.
Could you give me a ballpark delay figure that gets your Samsung glasses running please.
regards
Alan |
sorry, reread...
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CIR Engineering
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| Alan Head wrote: | Craig,
Is there a trick to getting the Samsung glasses to sync with Gen2 emitter ?
I am unable to get my brand new SG2100 glasses to work.
If I use them with a Samsung tv they work fine.
With the Gen2 emitter plugged in to the Lumagen dongle and set to orange led flashing. It's like the Glasses will not switch on at all.
If I change to orange blinking mode my nvidia 3dvision glasses fire up immediately.
Could you give me a ballpark delay figure that gets your Samsung glasses running please.
regards
Alan |
The Samsung glasses here sync fine with the default 0 ms timing. Are you turning them on manually, or are you relying on them to auto start? Mine never auto start, but they run perfectly after I turn them on manually.
In case you don't know, with the Samsung glasses when you first turn them on...
One long, solid red led means the glasses just turned on. Three fast, red led flashes means you just turned them off.
eh?
craigr
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| Alan Head wrote: | Craig,
Is there a trick to getting the Samsung glasses to sync with Gen2 emitter ?
I am unable to get my brand new SG2100 glasses to work.
If I use them with a Samsung tv they work fine.
With the Gen2 emitter plugged in to the Lumagen dongle and set to orange led flashing. It's like the Glasses will not switch on at all.
If I change to orange solid mode my nvidia 3dvision glasses fire up immediately.
Could you give me a ballpark delay figure that gets your Samsung glasses running please.
regards
Alan |
Do you have an oscope or at least a dmm? You have 5 volts and ground, but it would be nice to verify that you are sending TTL from the Lumagen to the IR transmitter.
craigr
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