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dturco
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Tom.W wrote: | | Did you spot any new Red and Green c elements ? |
No I didn't. I didn't look to hard for them. All of the C-elements I saw were clear, I wonder why? I didn't bother to ask TSE about them.
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km987654
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:04 pm Post subject: Re: My trip to VDC with Picture link |
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Nothing wrong with those pix. Its really good to see serious CRT manufacturing still happening and this is all done by hand no machines!! 
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dturco
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| dturco wrote: | | cinema mad wrote: | Wow lots of good stuff, nice pics BTW..
I wonder what application those special CRT projectors with the Awesome Gun assemblies used for
any Ideas ??...
Cheers.. |
You know TSE told me what they were for but, I just can't remember. It is a very large version of a CRT 3 times the size of a marquee  If it comes to me I will post what it was. |
I think it was referred to as a Calligraphic projector 
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dturco
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: My trip to VDC with Picture link |
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| km987654 wrote: |
Nothing wrong with those pix. Its really good to see serious CRT manufacturing still happening and this is all done by hand no machines!! |
Yeah that's what I found so amazing. Everything was done on simple wooden jigs. Like you could do it at home if you had all the parts pipeline 
Even the set-up of the tubes TSE kept saying it's not as complicated as it's made out to be. Just line up the edges of the white field, just turn the screws for scheimflug, and just use red and green to get a good yellow, then turn on the blue, adjust to taste. Sounds so simple.
Of course every question I asked he had the answer before I was done asking.
He even said back at Am Pro the didn't even have a color-meter
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dvh99
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what is that special silicone they use for attaching the tubes to the housings?
if you have an international order number for that let me know.
i can put the tubes in a regular gas furnace if i need to.
oh and what is the temperature in these furnaces.
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dturco
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| dvh99 wrote: | what is that special silicone they use for attaching the tubes to the housings?
if you have an international order number for that let me know.
i can put the tubes in a regular gas furnace if i need to.
oh and what is the temperature in these furnaces. |
Sorry, TSE didn't say what the special recipe was or the temp of the oven. 
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kal
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| dturco wrote: | | Tom.W wrote: | | Did you spot any new Red and Green c elements ? |
No I didn't. I didn't look to hard for them. All of the C-elements I saw were clear, I wonder why? I didn't bother to ask TSE about them. |
Because all of their projectors go into simulations and other setups where light output is more important than perfect colours. You lose a bunch of light when you use tinted c-elements. With HT use proper colours is important. With simulator use, not so much. An Apache helicopter sim pilot won't fly any better if the grass colour is more realistic. 
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banzairun
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| dturco wrote: |
I wonder what application those special CRT projectors with the Awesome Gun assemblies used for
any Ideas ??...
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I think it was referred to as a Calligraphic projector |
Those are for the Evans & Sutherland flight sim projectors, IIRC. They're raster-calligraphic -- they do a vector scan inbetween raster frames for highlighting things like runway lighting, giving them a brilliance that could never be achieved with just a raster scan.
Those units are fairly old, from the late 80's I believe, and likely only still used on sims from that era.. I was in a 747-400 sim once and I believe it used them.
I once saw a complete E&S system sell for a couple hundred bucks; 3 projectors and the graphics processor racks...
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dturco
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| banzairun wrote: | | dturco wrote: |
I wonder what application those special CRT projectors with the Awesome Gun assemblies used for
any Ideas ??...
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I think it was referred to as a Calligraphic projector |
Those are for the Evans & Sutherland flight sim projectors, IIRC. They're raster-calligraphic -- they do a vector scan inbetween raster frames for highlighting things like runway lighting, giving them a brilliance that could never be achieved with just a raster scan.
Those units are fairly old, from the late 80's I believe, and likely only still used on sims from that era.. I was in a 747-400 sim once and I believe it used them.
I once saw a complete E&S system sell for a couple hundred bucks; 3 projectors and the graphics processor racks... |
Your dead on TSE said exactly that, about the runway lights.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:00 am Post subject: |
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| kal wrote: | | dturco wrote: | | Tom.W wrote: | | Did you spot any new Red and Green c elements ? |
No I didn't. I didn't look to hard for them. All of the C-elements I saw were clear, I wonder why? I didn't bother to ask TSE about them. |
Because all of their projectors go into simulations and other setups where light output is more important than perfect colours. You lose a bunch of light when you use tinted c-elements. With HT use proper colours is important. With simulator use, not so much. An Apache helicopter sim pilot won't fly any better if the grass colour is more realistic.
Kal |
But isn't 6500K always important? 
Yeah that makes sense. Though I just didn't bother asking. As I was sure it was not a big deal as to why.
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It sounds like you had a good time.
I was actually planning on dropping by on the way back from Miami, so Scott could check out a G90.
The LEDs look nice. Hopefully there will be some variety at Cedia this year.
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Spanky Ham
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The pjs themselves are I think $15k. The actual Leds are not that expensive.
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Tom.W
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| dturco wrote: | | Tom.W wrote: | | Did you spot any new Red and Green c elements ? |
No I didn't. I didn't look to hard for them. All of the C-elements I saw were clear, I wonder why? I didn't bother to ask TSE about them. |
3M owns the patents but discontinued production on the color tinted c elements. Just wondering if VDC found an alternate supplier and if so who ?
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kal
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| dturco wrote: | | kal wrote: | | dturco wrote: | | Tom.W wrote: | | Did you spot any new Red and Green c elements ? |
No I didn't. I didn't look to hard for them. All of the C-elements I saw were clear, I wonder why? I didn't bother to ask TSE about them. |
Because all of their projectors go into simulations and other setups where light output is more important than perfect colours. You lose a bunch of light when you use tinted c-elements. With HT use proper colours is important. With simulator use, not so much. An Apache helicopter sim pilot won't fly any better if the grass colour is more realistic.
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But isn't 6500K always important?
Yeah that makes sense. Though I just didn't bother asking. As I was sure it was not a big deal as to why. |
Tinted c-elements has nothing to do with greyscale. Greyscale is the absence of colour. C-elements are tinted to get more correct primaries/secondaries.
You can still have a perfectly flat greyscale from black to white where every point sits at exactly 6500K, but still have your primaries be completely off.
Read this:
Link: https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=10457.html
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Curt Palme
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3M owns the patents but discontinued production on the color tinted c elements. Just wondering if VDC found an alternate supplier and if so who ? |
Get Nashou on the case. He can do it, he's got an awesome set of tools! 
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karmat63
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Just a bit OT question..
is yet important to get tinted C-elements, if you own something as a Radiance with is extensive capacity of 3D gamut correction? I guess, if you can correct color primaries and secondaries by electronics, it could be better preserving light output keeping clear C elements?
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draganm
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| Quote: | X-ray damaged tube
If this was in your machine you've be exposed to X-rays |
what does that mean? the tube was damaged from an external X-ray source or the tube put out more X-rays than it's allowed to do under government reg's?
| Quote: | Broken tubes
Ouch. Brand new tubes broken in shipping. |
A cart full of broken tubes and they still use UPS?
the Prototype chassis is impressive, I wonder what that 9 channel convergence board is supposed to do?
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dturco
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| draganm wrote: | | Quote: | X-ray damaged tube
If this was in your machine you've be exposed to X-rays |
what does that mean? the tube was damaged from an external X-ray source or the tube put out more X-rays than it's allowed to do under government reg's?
| Quote: | Broken tubes
Ouch. Brand new tubes broken in shipping. |
A cart full of broken tubes and they still use UPS?
the Prototype chassis is impressive, I wonder what that 9 channel convergence board is supposed to do? |
The First 2 I don't know. The Convergence in the proto-type was for a dome type simulator so it need to be able to nearly wrap around itself.
I took these pictures in a 30 minute time span and just posted what I remember from my conversation with TSE. It was not an in depth day long event, just a very casual and impromptu visit. I was very grateful that Scott took the time he did to show me around. The folks at VDC are very casual, but it was still a place of work that I was trying to play in.
I did stop in twice, once without the camera for about a half an hour too.
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Cool pics, I'm jealous. Thanks!
Dale
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