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Hdale85
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And if you had multiples?
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Nashou66
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Hdale85
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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So, blend 2 16:9 rastered projectors into a 2.35:1 image?
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Nashou66
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Hdale85
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm........ damn it! Need more money  I imagine the fact you're using the entire raster has many benefits. This would also mean you need evenly worn rasters though.
What processor will allow you to blend? How cheap do they get?
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Way above your budget,  and i actually need 4 processors. The Blend units still have not added the CMS . They are still working on it, so they say. So i couldn't wait and i got 2 Lumagen Radiance XS's to replace my Lumagen HDQ's. They gave me a great deal with trade in Having full CMS is vital for a blend of CRT's.
Blending digitals is much easier.
Athanasios
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Hdale85
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, so you have 4 processors? Or 2? You said you need 4 but you say you have 2.
Why do you need 4? What do each of them do? How much is the Radiance?
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Hdale85
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I was looking over the iScan DUO and it has CMS apparently. What makes the Radiance so much better? Is the DVDO DUO bad?
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Boilermaker
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The Duo would work fine, but you would still need two of them.
If you are interested in seeing what a blend looks like, you can come and see mine in Lexington, Ky. I am using a pair of NEC XGLC's.
Bob
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Nashou66
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I have read somewhere that the Radiance takes a different Approach to CMS than DVDO and it is TRUE CMS, now I am not sure what that means exactly.
How ever if the scaling is the same as the older VP50 which I tried in my system i must say the Radiance is a bit better with HD material. I did not spend much time with SD material so I can not comment on that. There is just more features and they are looking at making the second output independent of the first that is with no CMS or other controls so it can be used to daisy chain it to a second Radiance for certain reasons installers wanted, I suggested to Jim that it can then be used for the Blend feature they are looking at adding after they finish up the 3D features.
So i'm holding on to mine hoping to be a beta tester for the blend firmware when they get to it. 
On a side note I was told TV-One will be releasing new overhauled units next year some time.
Athanasios
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Hdale85
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How much are the TVOne units?
There are Radiance XS's on ebay for 1159. Would these do the full CMS and blend?
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Nashou66
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| Hdale85 wrote: | How much are the TVOne units?
There are Radiance XS's on ebay for 1159. Would these do the full CMS and blend? |
Tv ones are more than the Radiance's and you need two. These are made for commercial
application like concerts, conventions, churches, tv stations etc as they have overlay and
fade-able inputs etc. I get good pricing on them as does Bob.
One thing is blending is not for the faint of heart. I have been working for almost 2 years
on my blend off and on. You really need to understand colorimetry, gamma and how they
all inter relate. The Tv ones are more geared toward digital so they do lack things needed
for blending, like full CMS. they do have it in the hardware and firmware protocol but have
not written any programing for it yet. They promise to have it but they are busy with other
projects and custom built scalers for custom installation that pay big money they put this type
of thing on hold which is understandable. For my units i paid 1900 each, they do have cheaper
models that also blend.
The Radiance does not have blending at this time and it is just a thought for now but Jim at
Lumagen told me it is doable and it be like the Tv-one single units where you would need 2
Radiance XS's to blend, this is why they want to use the second output to daisy chain so one
unit will also act a source switcher and the other would have its single input locked. I had him
Contact Andres who made the post about PC blending as his blend algorithm works really well.
Once Lumagen gets done with its 3D work and enables the second output to be"blank" of any CMS
they will begin talks with Andres about writing the blend algorithm to use in the Radiance. With Andres
algorithm and Lumagens CMS I think it will be the best blend solution with all the tools needed .
I expect this to be at least a year or two away and that is why i bought the radiance now to get the full
CMS to augment the Blending in the Tv-Ones. If at some point TV-One does add the full CMS then id
have to see which works best.
For now if i were you id forget about blending and just get into CRT with any PJ that has decent tubes.
LC if possible.
Athanasios
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Hdale85
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Yea that's my plan for now, I don't really have the space for blending right now. But I figured if I'm foing to get a processor might be good to get one that's capable of it. I was wondering how well the PC setup works though.
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JorisS
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Looks awesome Nashou 
Anyway to be honest I can't really be too bothered with wear anymore, I'd be lucky to sell our NEC and actually get some half decent money for it as it is, so if instead I can get it to entertain us with the 2.35:1 screen for some time that'll do and I'll give it away once it's done for I'll put aside some money for each movie we watch on it
Besides I think the experimenting around is big part of the fun really. Worst part is I will have to get the monster off the ceiling, try and tidy up the holes it'll leave, then drill new ones and lift it up there again 
As for the config I think I'll go with 2 memories, one for 1920x1080 and one for 1920x817. I'll switch depending on material we're watching. Or if it's somehow possible to have the HTPC cut out the extra scanlines automatically thus effectively sending out a 1920x817 signal that would be even better (if the NEC in that case swaps to another input automatically as well). Wouldn't have a clue if that's possible though...
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Boilermaker
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| Quote: | | (if the NEC in that case swaps to another input automatically as well). |
Yes - Your Nec will recognize the different frequency and automatically switch to another memory slot. You will of course have to register the new input.
Bob
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benareeno
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joris,
one res is fine for just about every movie...16:9 or 2.4:1 or 2.35:1...what you can do is simply crop a bit of the image top and bottom for the odd 16:9 movie and watch it on your 2.35:1 screen. Many movies that you see in 16:9 will look just fine in 2.35:1. I know most on this forum are afraid to do this, but give it a try.
I would rather zoom or crop a 16:9 movie because I want 2.35 movies to have the most visual impact. I don't want episodes of Dexter to be bigger than Die Hard...it's unseemly.
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Man you do things weird Ben
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greg_mitch
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| benareeno wrote: | joris,
one res is fine for just about every movie...16:9 or 2.4:1 or 2.35:1...what you can do is simply crop a bit of the image top and bottom for the odd 16:9 movie and watch it on your 2.35:1 screen. Many movies that you see in 16:9 will look just fine in 2.35:1. I know most on this forum are afraid to do this, but give it a try.
I would rather zoom or crop a 16:9 movie because I want 2.35 movies to have the most visual impact. I don't want episodes of Dexter to be bigger than Die Hard...it's unseemly. |
You cut off the top and bottom of all movies that aren't 2.35?! No way Jose!
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Nashou66
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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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A lot of flat panels have zoom functionality. You can check to see if you like it with one of those. I think you are losing to much of the picture, but what do I know.
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