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AFryia



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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:06 pm    Post subject: Home Network Storage

What in your opinion is a better home network server solution and why?

1) FreeNAS OS network storage PC/Server.

2) Dedicated network server like a BlackArmor NAS 440 or similar.

3) other?


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greg_mitch



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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Home Network Storage

AFryia wrote:
What in your option is a better home network server solution and why?

1) FreeNAS OS network storage PC/Server.

2) Dedicated network server like a BlackArmor NAS 440 or similar.

3) other?


what is the purpose?

Just media streaming...backups...

I always wanted a WHS box...and they are pretty cheap (<$300) if you don't want internal storage. I saw an acer box with 4 internal bays for $330 the other day with WHS on it.

I have a 2TB NAS for media streaming and image/video backups and it seems to be working good. I just wish I didn't have to rebuild it everytime I wanted to add storage.
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AFryia



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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Home Network Storage

greg_mitch wrote:

what is the purpose?

Just media streaming...backups...

I always wanted a WHS box...and they are pretty cheap (<$300) if you don't want internal storage. I saw an acer box with 4 internal bays for $330 the other day with WHS on it.

The main purpose is to store all my digital photos and home movies. I want a Raid setup, the mode that has has two identical and independent copies.

Is a WHS the same as a NAS?

greg_mitch wrote:
I have a 2TB NAS for media streaming and image/video backups and it seems to be working good. I just wish I didn't have to rebuild it everytime I wanted to add storage.

That's why I'm thinking a PC/Server. HD prices keep dropping and the sizes keep increasing. I can keep stuffing drives into a tower case.

Do those NAS boxes use a certain type of HD or can you put any 3.5" HD in them?
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greg_mitch



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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Home Network Storage

AFryia wrote:
greg_mitch wrote:

what is the purpose?

Just media streaming...backups...

I always wanted a WHS box...and they are pretty cheap (<$300) if you don't want internal storage. I saw an acer box with 4 internal bays for $330 the other day with WHS on it.

The main purpose is to store all my digital photos and home movies. I want a Raid setup, the mode that has has two identical and independent copies.

Is a WHS the same as a NAS?

greg_mitch wrote:
I have a 2TB NAS for media streaming and image/video backups and it seems to be working good. I just wish I didn't have to rebuild it everytime I wanted to add storage.

That's why I'm thinking a PC/Server. HD prices keep dropping and the sizes keep increasing. I can keep stuffing drives into a tower case.

Do those NAS boxes use a certain type of HD or can you put any 3.5" HD in them?


Sorry...WHS = Windows Home Server.

Like this: http://www.buy.com/prod/acer-aspire-network-storage-server-intel-atom-230-1-60-ghz-2-tb-rj-45/q/loc/101/213481646.html

It is basically a NAS with Windows software. Just like FreeNAS.

The NAS I got has 2 x 3.5" drive slots and I can put any two drives in there. I am currently running RAID 0 for more storage. You are saying you want RAID 1 for redundant backups. More expensive but pretty safe.

Here is what I have for NAS:

http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=509

Been working pretty good so far. Runs a bit hot though.
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:33 pm    Post subject:

A RAID 1 (mirroring) NAS is fine... Just keep in mind that RAID 1 is primarily redundancy to facilitate uptime, NOT data integrity. RAID 1 is NOT a backup mechanism because any sort of accidental deletion or data corruption is mirrored across both drives simultaneously. Treat the NAS/RAID volume just like you do any other volume (make offline backups) and you'll be fine.

WHS = Windows Home Server, like the HP MediaSmart...
http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/mediasmart-server/index.html

I've been considering how to share my media across the house, too and I keep coming back to a small NAS. I have several desktop computers laying around I could redeploy to server duty, but just the power consumption keeps me from doing it. Even if it's only drawing 100w, a desktop machine sitting there running 24/7/365 is going to run nearly $75/year at my electric tariff. Most desktop machines will be easily 100w, so you're probably looking at over $100/year for a box to just sit there running. Which is why I keep coming back to a NAS.

Yes, most of the economical NAS boxes take standard SATA drives. I've been looking at the Netgear MS2000 diskless NAS. It supports a whole Macs, Windows, UPnP, iTunes, and you can buy it for under $100. Throw a couple of 2TB drives in there for ~$120 or so, and for <$350, you have a pretty small, quiet, efficient 2TB media server available to a variety of devices and platforms.

http://www.netgear.com/products/home/storage/simplesharing/MS2000.aspx

There are lots of other options, of course.

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AFryia



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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:16 pm    Post subject:

Thanks guys, I didn't know you could get diskless NAS/WHS boxes.

That solution is exactly what I'm looking for, small size and upgradeable.

Cheers!

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WanMan



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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:13 pm    Post subject:

ecrabb wrote:
A RAID 1 (mirroring) NAS is fine... Just keep in mind that RAID 1 is primarily redundancy to facilitate uptime, NOT data integrity. RAID 1 is NOT a backup mechanism because any sort of accidental deletion or data corruption is mirrored across both drives simultaneously.

SC, are you suggesting that if a sector on one physical disk were to go bad, and thus corrupt one or more files that this will be mirrored onto the mirror disk?

I thought the only time something is altered on the mirror disk is when a read/write instruction is given, and not one in which bots are lost outside of the read/write process.

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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:39 pm    Post subject:

No, Wan... I mean a corruption induced on the client side (operating/file system, application, network) and written to the disk. That, or accidental deletion. Oh, and there's power surges or lighting - I believe you have some experience with that Wink. RAID-1 protects you from none of those scenarios.

Bottom line is there's no way in hell I'd put any irreplaceable data like personal photos on a RAID volume without a backup.

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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:07 pm    Post subject:

I use to use RAID-1, but then I found it better to keep separate volumes across multiple disks and computers. For instance, the digital photographs, aside from also being on DVD-R's, are on at least three different computers and six hard drives.
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:26 am    Post subject:

Are there any economically priced NAS boxes that I could put 4 hard disks in? Something like the box that Ecrabb linked to but with more drive bays. I checked the Netgear site looking for something but the price seems to climb dramatically as the number of bays increases and I can't justify +$500 plus the cost of drives for a NAS.

My other question (targeted at Ecrabb) relates to the Apple Airport Extreme and the possibility of using it as a NAS. I have the Airport Extreme and have never had much luck with it as a router, but was curious about hardwiring it into my network and plugging a 2TB drive into the USB port. Would this be easy to setup so I could access the shared drive on my Mac and also on several PC's?

Thanks,

Erik
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greg_mitch



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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 4:36 pm    Post subject:

Zebu Fellenz wrote:
Are there any economically priced NAS boxes that I could put 4 hard disks in? Something like the box that Ecrabb linked to but with more drive bays. I checked the Netgear site looking for something but the price seems to climb dramatically as the number of bays increases and I can't justify +$500 plus the cost of drives for a NAS.

My other question (targeted at Ecrabb) relates to the Apple Airport Extreme and the possibility of using it as a NAS. I have the Airport Extreme and have never had much luck with it as a router, but was curious about hardwiring it into my network and plugging a 2TB drive into the USB port. Would this be easy to setup so I could access the shared drive on my Mac and also on several PC's?

Thanks,

Erik


Never used it, but look into the pogoplug.

It puts 3 external USB HDD's online for $99. I would imagine (but haven't checked!) you could use a dual drive external for each port.

http://www.pogoplug.com/home-en.html?

Quad drive external....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817576002

This is intriguing me now for less than $250 in hardware before drives!

Or you could do this...

Small Acer Windows Home Server - $350 with 1TB already
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859321013&cm_re=windows_home_server-_-59-321-013-_-Product

and when you outgrow the 8TB that you can include in that server you add this for 16 more TB!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816132016&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Server+-+RAID+Sub-Systems-_-Rosewill-_-16132016
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