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secstate
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| laser117 wrote: | Ha, I paid $150. Had to drive two hours one way late last night so no one else would get it.
So the issue so far is the 992U isn't giving juice to the tubes, but I have no input at all. I've moved to DC from MS, and all my parts didn't make it with the Ampro, so I'm missing lots of cables I have to go rebuy now. (grrr...thought I brought them)
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LOL I was wondering how you got to Annapolis from MS in two hours. I saw that one when it was first posted (I have an automated search), I was surprised it lasted so long. If I didn't have a 9" Runco already I'd been all over it. Good buy! Those color filtered HD8s are as rare as hens teeth. Glad it went to a good home.
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secstate
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| laser117 wrote: |
I will say this: This thing is a stupidly HUGE beast. I mean, BIG. I've never seen a 9" set before, and now I'm a bit scared.  The Ampro looks like a portable CRT in comparison.
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You should see a 120x series Barco, the 808 series is small-ish in comparison.
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zGman
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Power up the set with main power panel switch, should get a red led on rear panel.
Use built in keypad to hit STBY on left just briefly, and you should get green led on
rear panel - if so, then hold ADJ button upper left, and you should get menu with
internal pattern.
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secstate
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| laser117 wrote: |
Oh, and these are both 2002 model Runcos. Would this version have the new rebuildable tubes instead of the Sony's? Where do I check for the number?
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Sony tubes will have additional small focus HV wires running from the G2 Diagnostic Board (the one with all the LEDs) to each of the three tubes. If you have that you have Sony tubes. If you don't you have MEC tubes and very likely at that production date the higher resolution MECs which make a BIG difference for HD resoltuions. The labels on the "bell" of the CRTs if you can see them should also indicate who made it (though Barco frequently covered up sticker with their own).
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laser117
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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I've looked hard, no red LEDs anywhere but on the flip up panel (the one with power, standby, pause, etc). It has like 10 or so of them, and they are all red, and the ones that light up are processor cycles (blinks like a bitch), block something, Power, standby (until I hit standby, and the red goes away). If I hit pause on the remote, the RCU lights up and Pause lights up, and processor cycles slows considerably.
Everything else is green, green, green. Can I go to Radio Shack and get an RCA to BNC adapter and feed it some composite? On video 2 or 3? Whichever is on the right of the RGBHV that's also BNC. I don't have an Svideo cable...I guess I could do that just to get a video input lock.
I have nothing plugged in the projector right now, since I have no cables with me. I think that may be my problem right now. Hopefully I'll have that solved by the end of today.
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secstate
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| laser117 wrote: | I've looked hard, no red LEDs anywhere but on the flip up panel (the one with power, standby, pause, etc). It has like 10 or so of them, and they are all red, and the ones that light up are processor cycles (blinks like a bitch), block something, Power, standby (until I hit standby, and the red goes away). If I hit pause on the remote, the RCU lights up and Pause lights up, and processor cycles slows considerably.
Everything else is green, green, green. Can I go to Radio Shack and get an RCA to BNC adapter and feed it some composite? On video 2 or 3? Whichever is on the right of the RGBHV that's also BNC. I don't have an Svideo cable...I guess I could do that just to get a video input lock.
I have nothing plugged in the projector right now, since I have no cables with me. I think that may be my problem right now. Hopefully I'll have that solved by the end of today. |
The flip up panel red LEDs are normal those are part of the projector CPU. Look at the EHT board it is a small vertical board in the back right hand corner of the projector (assuming floor/desk mounted projector). The EHT board partially covers the HV quad. There are one or two LEDs on it and if one or the other is lit then you have an EHT problem. Because the top of the board is metal and covers most of the board these LEDs can be tricky for you to see. I agree with Curt most likely you have a bad quad. Those new quads are somewhat less reliable than the older models.
Look here for explanation of where the EHT board is: http://www.curtpalme.com/Barco808_Layout1.shtm .
As for feeding it composite it may or may not work on a Runco. Runco tweaked or rather had Barco tweak their normal projectors. My Runco 1100 will not take composite (the jack is entirely missing). I don't know if the same is true or not for the 8" Runcos.
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secstate
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Also follow zGman's advice he is spot on. Barcos do not need anything connected to bring up the internal menus. If you cannot bring up the menus then you have a problem that has nothing to do with feeding the projector a video signal.
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zGman
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Yes - that is a better explanation - try it and see....
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laser117
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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I checked the EHT, used a mirror to look for the LEDs, took it out first to see where they were, I'm in a dark room. No LEDs lit on the EHT board. At all...
How much is a quadrupler?
I have some pics of all the green LEDs lit up, I'll post in a few minutes.
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laser117
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| zGman wrote: | Power up the set with main power panel switch, should get a red led on rear panel.
Use built in keypad to hit STBY on left just briefly, and you should get green led on
rear panel - if so, then hold ADJ button upper left, and you should get menu with
internal pattern.
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Mine is set to start straight up, it doesn't go into standby. I held down adjust. Nothing.
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ecrabb
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| TheVerge wrote: | | Curt Palme wrote: | | then sends their customers here for tech support. Eff them! |
With or without power supplies, that's pretty crap to send them here for free tech support. |
No, it isn't... Because in this case, "here" is the manufacturer's only support channel!
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ecrabb
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Oh, an congrats to the OP... Sounds like a great set once you get it working!
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secstate
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| laser117 wrote: | I checked the EHT, used a mirror to look for the LEDs, took it out first to see where they were, I'm in a dark room. No LEDs lit on the EHT board. At all...
How much is a quadrupler?
I have some pics of all the green LEDs lit up, I'll post in a few minutes. |
Maybe Curt can comment but the few failures I have seen always resulted in a red LED on the EHT board. If it is the quad it may cost more than you paid for the projector unless you get lucky twice. Other than buying another projector (I cannot recall the last time I saw used quad for sale by itself but it has been a while) Curt is usually the only source and it will be north of what you paid for the projector. Quads in general are rare, newer quads which came out in 1999 sometime are even rarer. Both of my Runco 1100s (Barco 1209s) had dead new quads when I got them. One was completely dead the other would work for about 15-20 mins. I had spare "old" quads which can be used in the new projectors as long as you put in an old quad with an old EHT board. So I just swapped mine over. That said even if you do have to buy a quad given the price you paid for the projector you'd still be ahead.
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secstate
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| laser117 wrote: |
Mine is set to start straight up, it doesn't go into standby. I held down adjust. Nothing. |
That should have brought up the menus for sure.
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laser117
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I'm realizing those quads are rare and pricey. I can dump or part out the Ampro, and I have some other things. Not like I'm in a hurry. It'd be nice to know that it IS the quad, at those prices. It's at least a 2001 model, I think. The 4404 that came with it was a July 02 model.
Way to early to entertain parting it out. It's a looker. For the price of these quads, I might be driving 6 hours to get one on Craigslist/ebay if I see a deal.
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secstate
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| laser117 wrote: | | YIt's a looker. For the price of these quads, I might be driving 6 hours to get one on Craigslist/ebay if I see a deal. |
I was actually tempted to buy the projector you got for its quad (your tubes can never be too minty and you cannot have too many quads  ). . But it was not worth the three hour each way trip for me since my projector is working fine now. Have you figured out whether it has MEC or Sony tubes? If it has MEC it almost certainly has the higher resolution tubes and I can tell you how to tell. Those are a huge step up and the color filtered HD8s will do wonders for the on screen color. Trust me you never want to go back to unfiltered projector. All in all the picture that Runco/808 is capable of will blow a 7" Ampro away. I'd stick to it and get a quad or spare projector to raid a quad from. Also be sure to read this service note before attempting to mix and match HV parts between the new and old versions (http://www.curtpalme.com/docs/BarcoServiceBulletin_R762716_New_EHT.pdf).
Curt may be able to tell you how to test for HV, that would narrow it down to the HV section (quad, splitter and EHT). But the only way I think you can narrow it down from there is to swap parts.
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laser117
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:36 am Post subject: |
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Bah, looks like I have Sony tubes. 
I think I'll live.  Would have been sweet if I hadn't, though.
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laser117
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| secstate wrote: |
LOL I was wondering how you got to Annapolis from MS in two hours. I saw that one when it was first posted (I have an automated search), I was surprised it lasted so long. If I didn't have a 9" Runco already I'd been all over it. Good buy! Those color filtered HD8s are as rare as hens teeth. Glad it went to a good home. |
What do you use for automated search? I've seen a few things, but nothing I liked.
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Curt Palme
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The best thing to do is send me the quadrupler and EHT board. It's a flat rate of $250 incl return shipping to repair whatever is wrong. The EHT board could be blown, causing no HV, but the quad could also be shorted, taking out the EHT board.
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secstate
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| laser117 wrote: | Bah, looks like I have Sony tubes.
I think I'll live. Would have been sweet if I hadn't, though. |
I have heard rumor (never confirmed since I haven't seen a post 2000 Barco 808) that the cut over was sometime in 2003. That said some SEOS 808s did come with the MEC tubes and I thought maybe Runco would have speced them as well. In any case they might be superior to the standard MEC tubes. Barco did limit the use of Sony tubes to their higher end 8" sets, namely the Barco Graphics 808s and briefly in the 1208s until the higher res MEC tubes were deployed for the 1208 series. If your tubes are mint and it sounds like they are then who cares if they are rebuildible. Unless you watch a LOT of stuff on your projector. These will last you probably the useful life of the projector. Personally I'd take Curt up on his offer. $400 total is a really good price for a high end late model 8" color filtered projector. Testing HV can easily destroy a good part if another one is failed or you mix and match old and new HV parts.
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