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JOneil
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| benareeno wrote: | hey look...I think they're not worth squat. So what? Feel free to go out and buy one for top dollar. What is your argument? They're worth a lot?
They are big, and they are loud....I can't imagine an argument there.
They also throw an excellent image.... |
Your leaving out the fact that they will outlast a digital by at least 10 to 1. And thats where a cost factor has to be figured in. And they maybe worth less today then 5 or more years ago but compare that to digitals and CRT wins hands down. A 5 or 10 year old digital is worth nothing, yes nothing. A CRT or that age still has value. Plus a 3000 dollar digital of today would of cost 10 to 20 thousand 5 or so years ago.
And they are not all loud and if the one you have is, then there IS a solution. Build a hush box. Digitals on the other hand are built from crap and will fail. There is NO solution for that.
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JOneil
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| benareeno wrote: | hey look...I think they're not worth squat.
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You finally used the correct term, "you" think they are not worth squat. You been just saying "they" are not worth squat. You finally admitted its only your opinion. There are others who say they "are" worth squat. So we finally agree. 
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draganm
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Location: Colorado
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | I'm just wondering if you can go onto Porsche forums and say that they are crap, that Chevy is the way to go? Never mind that I make my living supporting the CRT community (and myself!) |
your tolerance is commendable curt. It's an opoen forum yes but It's hard not to get sick of the Haters who rarely or never have anything positive to say.
the question that comes to mind is "why are you here" . there's lotos and lots of other forums where people might be talking about something you actually like. Assuming you don't hate everything of course 
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006
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Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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Hmm, This squat, where can I find some? :p
I agree a 5 to 10 year old digital (Why you would use one that old first is beyond me, since 5 to 10 years ago they sucked) is worthless as the dirt outside, heck even that has more value. A digital drops in value like a lead anchor in water, why? because the technology in them is very primitive to what the new ones are capable of now. The ones out now will be totally worthless again in 5 to 10 years because of the same reasons.
CRT is the only display technology still around that can offer all the benefits of video technology today, at its 10 to 20 year age. They were built when companies didn't make crap, however since crap is easy to develop and cheaper, thats why its what you see.
However, I wont fully agree that a digital projector is a complete abomonation of video technology. They dont all fail within 1 to 5 years, they don't all have an absolute putrid image. Digital technology is still in the very early stages of development for display technology. I mean, when did the first flat panel TV come out? 10 maybe 12 years ago? when did the first CRT TV come out... about 60-70 years ago, CRT has had A LOT MORE TIME to develop than digital has.
So no digital is not complete garbage, its young and it will develop like CRT has.
Now here's what doesn't make sense, why the hell does curt have LCD projector ads on his website?!!! he should be advertising a nice barco 1209s or something instead of those damn things:P, I know you have them on here so you can maintain the website by offsetting its cost with them , but still man!
Does anyone on this site actually check out the digital projector ads? 
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006
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Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| draganm wrote: | | Curt Palme wrote: | | I'm just wondering if you can go onto Porsche forums and say that they are crap, that Chevy is the way to go? Never mind that I make my living supporting the CRT community (and myself!) |
your tolerance is commendable curt. It's an opoen forum yes but It's hard not to get sick of the Haters who rarely or never have anything positive to say.
the question that comes to mind is "why are you here" . there's lotos and lots of other forums where people might be talking about something you actually like. Assuming you don't hate everything of course |
I beleive AVS is a good place for that, or if its CRT's that you have little or nothing good to say about I beleive curt has created a digital projector section on the forum, that would be the best place for the CRT prunes to go 
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JOneil
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Jeremy112 wrote: |
So no digital is not complete garbage, its young and it will develop like CRT has.
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Unless they start using better quality parts and alter their designing, no it wont!
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006
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Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| JOneil wrote: | | Jeremy112 wrote: |
So no digital is not complete garbage, its young and it will develop like CRT has.
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Unless they start using better quality parts and alter their designing, no it wont! |
joneil, since you have come to this forum I have seen you bash digital like there is no end. May I ask specifically what digitals you have PERSONALLY owned and worked with that are influencing your opinions?
I have owned 5 digital projectors before I went to CRT, and only one of them was as useful as a peice of toast. I have never had a light engine, microchip, capacitor resistor or anything else in any of my digital projectors fail.
So I find it hard to beleive that 100% of digitals are total trash.
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Curt Palme
CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
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Location: Langley, BC
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Hey JO, I don't know where you came from, but I like you . 
I tolerate this because nothing has changed in the 10+ years that I've been on avs and here.
I'll say it: CRT is mostly dead. 50% of my business is from industrial clients and that's actually increasing as Barco and VDC increase their pricing (fine by me!) due to cost of manufacturing, the rest is from CRT enthusiasts.
Fact remains thought that ANYTHING electronic you buy now will last 3-5 years before it either breaks and you replace it, or the 'sheeple' out there are beaten over the heads by the manufacturers to upgrade because their 2 year old equipment ain't worth shite anymore.
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JOneil
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Jeremy112 wrote: | | JOneil wrote: | | Jeremy112 wrote: |
So no digital is not complete garbage, its young and it will develop like CRT has.
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Unless they start using better quality parts and alter their designing, no it wont! |
joneil, since you have come to this forum I have seen you bash digital like there is no end. May I ask specifically what digitals you have PERSONALLY owned and worked with that are influencing your opinions?
I have owned 5 digital projectors before I went to CRT, and only one of them was as useful as a peice of toast. I have never had a light engine, microchip, capacitor resistor or anything else in any of my digital projectors fail.
So I find it hard to beleive that 100% of digitals are total trash. |
Well lets see. First I guess I have already said that there are many people of all types that would be better off with a digital. The only problem I have is when some try to support digital quality when comparing with CRT technology.
To answer your other question, I have been in electronics repair for probably close to 30 years, and when it was only CRT technology there were only very rare occasions when a display was beyond repair and had to be discarded. Since moving to digital repairs it is a rare occasion that a display "is" repairable and most have to be discarded or the repair costs are more then the display cost originally.. And this can easily be confirmed by contacting any repair shop, so you dont have to take just my word for it.
Anybody looking for a bunch of buckets full of swollen Capacitors?
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006
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Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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hey curt, at least you gave new electronics 3 to 5 years, thats the most I've seen anyone say that new stuff will last
And you cant say anything, I have a few 6 year old flat panel TV's that are still going strong without any repairs needing to be done on them. At least they made it through the bad capacitor plaugue of the early 2000's!
I will admit though, I have had 4 Samsung TV's/Monitors come in this year and all were faulty, and NOT repairable, the IC's on them were bad, thank god for warranties!
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benareeno
Joined: 22 Mar 2006
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Location: ottawa, canada
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JOneil,
you are a complete moron....again, my opinion. Just like virtually every other statement made on here. You think your notion that all digitals are crap is fact? It's not. 16 posts...you are definitely someone who made a new username...I think you are MacGuyver disguised as JOneil.
Buying crt as a better value proposition?? Are you on crack? Crt's fail all the time...no digital that I have ever owned had any failures.
Virtually everything you say is wrong...outlast by 10 to 1? Do I even need to respond to that?
Look, I like crt's...they're a fun hobby, but they are worthless... and they are worthless for a reason.
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006
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Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| JOneil wrote: |
Well lets see. First I guess I have already said that there are many people of all types that would be better off with a digital. The only problem I have is when some try to support digital quality when comparing with CRT technology.
To answer your other question, I have been in electronics repair for probably close to 30 years, and when it was only CRT technology there were only very rare occasions when a display was beyond repair and had to be discarded. Since moving to digital repairs it is a rare occasion that a display "is" repairable and most have to be discarded or the repair costs are more then the display cost originally.. And this can easily be confirmed by contacting any repair shop, so you dont have to take just my word for it.
Anybody looking for a bunch of buckets full of swollen Capacitors? |
Ill admit, I have 1/3rd your experience in years, but I have to agree with you that since digital has taken over display technology, a lot of the broken projectors I have seen are not repairable mainly because the replacement part costs more than buying a new projector. Which of course is exactly why the companies have replacement parts priced like that, so you have to buy a new one if you still want one.
But as far as your capacitor bucket goes, I had one of those myself a few years ago. However stuff that has been produced since 2008 that I have repaired has not had a signle bad capacitor in it. Jump back to the tech of 2003-2007 and thats all you see when opening up a TV or LCD monitor, was a power supply filled with domed and leaking capacitors.
I honestly miss the days of bad capacitors, fixing the item was easy, the money making was even easier. 
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Curt Palme
CRT Tech
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So why are you here? Go over to the digital section here, spout off all you want, heck, start a thread each day on how great your digitals are, I don't care, at least we don't have to read it here.
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006
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Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| benareeno wrote: | JOneil,
you are a complete moron....again, my opinion. Just like virtually every other statement made on here. You think your notion that all digitals are crap is fact? It's not. 16 posts...you are definitely someone who made a new username...I think you are MacGuyver disguised as JOneil.
Buying crt as a better value proposition?? Are you on crack? Crt's fail all the time...no digital that I have ever owned had any failures.
Virtually everything you say is wrong...outlast by 10 to 1? Do I even need to respond to that?
Look, I like crt's...they're a fun hobby, but they are worthless... and they are worthless for a reason. |
Lets all face the facts, all electronics become worthless, its just the truth, even if its usable value is still there, the price value wont be, sometimes sooner for some things than others, its the way of electronics.
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JOneil
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| benareeno wrote: | JOneil,
you are a complete moron....again, my opinion. Just like virtually every other statement made on here. You think your notion that all digitals are crap is fact? It's not. 16 posts...you are definitely someone who made a new username...I think you are MacGuyver disguised as JOneil.
Buying crt as a better value proposition?? Are you on crack? Crt's fail all the time...no digital that I have ever owned had any failures.
Virtually everything you say is wrong...outlast by 10 to 1? Do I even need to respond to that?
Look, I like crt's...they're a fun hobby, but they are worthless... and they are worthless for a reason. |
Sounds like somebody is getting upset. I thought you said you dont get emotional over this stuff. And to compare me to Macguyver I will take as a compliment, thanks. 
Oh, and thanks for the name calling. And no, I dont do drugs.
Like I said above. Call your local repair shop and ask them about the quality of digitals. Of course you would still just think everyone else is wrong.
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benareeno
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Location: ottawa, canada
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Just because I own one and like the image doesn't change the fact that they're worthless...I'm a cheapskate, and it's by far the best technology if you are one.
If you are getting up in the 2k+ range, they are not the right choice....yes JOneil, my opinion.
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kal
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| benareeno wrote: | | you guys are pathetic losers... |
| benareeno wrote: | | you are a complete moron.... |
Ben, please refer to the forum rules. Specifically:
| Quote: | Treat others with respect, be it other members here or at other forums.
No negative comments directed towards other members or other forums please. They serve no constructive purpose. |
There are very few rules here. Those are about the only two important ones. Please stick to them.
By all means talk about anything you like but name calling only serves to annoy and is not needed.
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Phil Smith
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CRT PJs make for a great hobby if you like tinkering. Lots of fun setting them up and tweaking them. But like all hobbies, most people eventually lose interest. I think you see this happening in this thread. A lot of the "old hands" on the forums have burned out on CRT, especially since there are now other appealing options. I'm getting close to that point myself. A big ass LED TV is starting to sound good to me.
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stefuel
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"A lot of the "old hands" on the forums have burned out on CRT, especially since there are now other appealing options. I'm getting close to that point myself. A big ass LED TV is starting to sound good to me."
EXACTLY!!!
I am a burnout and damn proud of it
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ecrabb
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| Phil Smith wrote: | | A lot of the "old hands" on the forums have burned out on CRT, especially since there are now other appealing options. I'm getting close to that point myself. A big ass LED TV is starting to sound good to me. |
Exactly. This is what I was getting at with my "we have different priorities" post. Apparently it comes as a surprise to some guys in this forum, but some of us set up home theaters to actually watch movies!!! This is the reason I don't have an HTPC for my main BD playback device. For me, it's too much hassle for what I get back in return. For others, the same is not true, and I recognize that.
Now, to be fair, with a well-installed and set up CRT projector, the hassle factor is actually very low. I haven't spent more than a few minutes doing anything with my projector in over a year. A little tiny tweak here and there is about it. I've put probably 1000 hours on my machine in the last couple of years and haven't spent any significant time at all tweaking, save for the first couple of setups and a calibration.
Still, I recognize and envy advantages many digital projectors have beyond the obvious "it's sharper": Smaller (less impact on my room), quieter (for better noise floor and audio performance in my theater), relatively simple integration with a scope screen without requiring external hardware, and more.
Many people recognize these things, but that doesn't mean they're important to everybody. While the falling prices and ever-increasing quality of each crop of new digital projectors has certainly put significant downward pressure on CRT prices, that doesn't suddenly mean that CRT's are worthless. That's silly hyperbole.
Like several have already said, buy what you want, enjoy what you have, and don't be critical of others' choices because they don't necessarily have the same priorities. The same goes for both sides of the debate.
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