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benareeno



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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:55 am    Post subject:

dude...i have a crt...so, your theory is lost.

I am saying that someone considering buying one better think about price as they are not worth much...nor should they be.
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:43 am    Post subject:

stefuel wrote:
Let me be the bad guy here.
THERE AIN'T A FRIGGING CRT PROJECTOR ON THE PLANET THAT'S WORTH $2,500.00.
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So me selling 4 Barco 909s this year fully retubed at $8000 to $10K USD each was a blatant ripoff, right? Funny how 2 friends of one customer jumped on the remaining two I had when they saw the first purchaser's image.

Sheesh! Smile

I concur with km's post below.. who I owe an email to, so I'm outta here.
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Nashou66



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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:57 am    Post subject:

stefuel wrote:
Let me be the bad guy here.
THERE AIN'T A FRIGGING CRT PROJECTOR ON THE PLANET THAT'S WORTH $2,500.00.
If you pay any more than that for a CRT projector, you must be from another frigging planet. Laughing


When your tubes are shot in your 4600 just give it to me. I have all the tubes for a few more re-tubing's. Wink

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stefuel



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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:29 am    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
stefuel wrote:
Let me be the bad guy here.
THERE AIN'T A FRIGGING CRT PROJECTOR ON THE PLANET THAT'S WORTH $2,500.00.
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So me selling 4 Barco 909s this year fully retubed at $8000 to $10K USD each was a blatant ripoff, right? Funny how 2 friends of one customer jumped on the remaining two I had when they saw the first purchaser's image.

Sheesh! Smile

I concur with km's post below.. who I owe an email to, so I'm outta here.


The mother ship has landed and someone left the door open Laughing
I think on Mars they are still modding ECP's so there might still be a market there. I never said anything about it being a "ripoff". Lets face it, a fool and his money soon parted and it parted in your direction. Thumbs Up

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stefuel



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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:37 am    Post subject:

Curt, You might want to go back to AVS and counter Gary's sucker punch. Wink
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WanMan



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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:00 am    Post subject:

I think some might not find CRT's worth much these days, but I value them. Unfortunately, I can value a near new (ahem, 1-2 year old used) Ferrari for $150K and that is still not going to get it into my driveway.

For instance, a G90 may be valued BY ME in the $5-6K range, but I can't afford it. A 9500LC Ultra can be valued BY ME in the $5-8K range, but its still way above what I can afford. I can continue, and will continue, to appreciate these projectors while not affording them.

By the time one adds VP to a 9" CRT, maybe a mod or two, and get's it setup and calibrated in one's home, I do not seeing someone spending under $5K. Of course, I can always be proved wrong when whomever waltz's the dang thing into my home.

Yes, its a challenge, but I recognize that what Curt is getting it appropriate because there are some folks that value it. Just because someone can't sell their G70, or that an XGLC get's next to nothing doesn't mean there is a decent demand for 9" good CRTs. If I win the lottery I'm buying more than one lofty 9" CRT projector.

But right now I can only be envious of those that can. Someone with money willing to adopt me? Very Happy

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JOneil



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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:24 pm    Post subject:

benareeno wrote:
dude...i have a crt...so, your theory is lost.

I am saying that someone considering buying one better think about price as they are not worth much...nor should they be.


Yeah you have a crt and about all you do is bad mouth it. You claim you've had many and bad mouthed them too. You give shallow reasons as to your dislike. One can speculate as to why your dislike. I will not reveal my speculation. You are the perfect example for needing to go digital. Your like a former smoker.

Please someone here give him a digital for his birthday or christmas or something to dis spell these words of blasphemy.
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WanMan



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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:15 pm    Post subject:

JOneil wrote:
benareeno wrote:
dude...i have a crt...so, your theory is lost.

I am saying that someone considering buying one better think about price as they are not worth much...nor should they be.


Yeah you have a crt and about all you do is bad mouth it. You claim you've had many and bad mouthed them too. You give shallow reasons as to your dislike. One can speculate as to why your dislike. I will not reveal my speculation. You are the perfect example for needing to go digital. Your like a former smoker.

Please someone here give him a digital for his birthday or christmas or something to dis spell these words of blasphemy.
Is this your way of telling him to shut up? Mr. Green
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jarseneau



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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:28 pm    Post subject:

I think the real reason for angst in this thread stems from how you value in item like this. The 1997 price list vs. current prices should be taken to show the decline in value simply from a market price perspective. The market price will always follow the supply vs. demand rule. CRT prices have eroded as more buyers choose digital for their own reasons while the supply has increased as the CRTs are retired from industry use. It's just getting easier to get a high quality machine for salvage prices and that makes competitive pricing fall to the point where dealers will turn them over for a little more than the scrap value they paid for a pallet of units.

This doesn't mean a good CRT doesn't still present a great way to enjoy HT.

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benareeno



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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:33 pm    Post subject:

you guys are pathetic losers...why are you so emotional about this sh*t?

Crt's are not worth anything...It's great to see that someone values a 9500Lc in the 5k range...great for the seller, at least. Who would value someting a lot higher than what it is worth? Give me a break!
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:55 pm    Post subject:

I'll turn it around on you, Ben... Why are you so insistent on making sure everybody knows "CRT's are not worth anything", which is bull**** hyperbole, anyway? Why? What's in it for you? What do you care if a CRT projector is worth $X to one person, but only $.25x to another - which is the truth.

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JOneil



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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:34 pm    Post subject:

benareeno wrote:
you guys are pathetic losers...why are you so emotional about this sh*t?


This sounds more like you. We're not the ones constantly posting, wah,wah,wah, CRTs are crap, wah,wah,wah, the fans are to loud, wah,wah,wah, CRTs are crap, wah,wah,wah, I cant sell my CRT for what I want, wah,wah,wah, CRTs are crap, wah,wah,wah, my fans are to loud, wah,wah,wah, CRTs are worthless, wah,wah,wah.

Geesh!!!! We heard you the first 12 times. We get it, you dont like CRTs. Smash that damn record, will you.
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Curt Palme
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:40 pm    Post subject:

I'm just wondering if you can go onto Porsche forums and say that they are crap, that Chevy is the way to go? Never mind that I make my living supporting the CRT community (and myself!)
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lexx21



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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:41 pm    Post subject:

Ok...... group hug time.


As I said in my previous post... it's all about what it is worth to you. This so reminds me of the linux vs windows arguments.......
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Jeremy112



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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:52 pm    Post subject:

I suppose I should clarify on my post, I didn't intend to say shut up and be quiet about the argument, I was just saying that if people are happy with what they have for what they do with it, then that is all that really matters. beleive me, I love a good flame thread, nothing like the old X vs. Y,

personally I will have to go with benareeno on this one, I love CRT to death, and preffer it over my digital any day of the week, but honestly he is right, anyone who pays more than $2500 for a CRT is just money happy, they just arent worth it. They will continue to get older and older, and sooner or later weather any of us like it or not, digital will kill CRT.

You can tell the value of them is dropping day by day. People who have them are trying to sell them at ridiculous amounts and no one even wants to touch them at that price because of many factors such as size, weight, setup, maintenance being more difficult, and yes lastly, the picture on digital projectors has improved vastly over the years.

I am willing to bet that within 5 years people will be giving away G90's for less than $500 because more than likely something significant in digital video will happen that will make it worth buying to even some of the more speculative CRT'ers

I recently went to view an XG1100 Im thinking of picking up, and while I was talking to the guy we were discussing his G90 that he picked up for $1000, the only thing he had to replace on it was the green tube because of some NO SYNC burn in, otherwise he got a very very excellent condition G90. I think $1000 tops for these units is a more than fair asking price. The exception being unless it is brand spanking new in the sealed box.

For every person who goes CRT, there are at least 3 more that choose digital... The inevitable is going to happen.

Just my opinion, so please take it with a grain of salt. Smile

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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:01 pm    Post subject:

Jeremy112 wrote:
For every person who goes CRT, there are at least 3 more that choose digital... The inevitable is going to happen.

I think you're waaaaaaaaaaayyyy low on that guess. Consider this forum is one of the hotbeds of CRT activity -- and how many new CRTers do we get in here every month?

Vs. think how many *thousands* of digital projectors are sold every month? Not to mention all the people buying big flat-screens!

CRTs are a microscopic niche market, and it's getting smaller every day.
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Jeremy112



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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:03 pm    Post subject:

And curt, don't get me wrong, your CRT projectors you sell are more than fair priced, why? Because you are the only one who will GUARANTEE them to be what they are. You are like the store that sells CRT, the people selling their CRT because they "upgrade" or dont want it, are the 2nd hand pawn market, You don't know what your getting for sure, or how long it will last for the price paid.

You go through all the projectors you sell to make sure they are sellable at the description you give them. if some guy on ebay says, powers on and working and asks $3000, I think hes outta his rocking chair,

if your asking $3000 at least you have more than likely fully tested them and at least set them up to a point where you know they will be fine.

So yes, someone paying $8000 for your 909s is fair, someone paying $8000 for jo blows 909s that "worked when taken down" is just crazy.

A lot of that value comes from assurance of quality, at least to me it does.

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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:05 pm    Post subject:

garyfritz wrote:
Jeremy112 wrote:
For every person who goes CRT, there are at least 3 more that choose digital... The inevitable is going to happen.

I think you're waaaaaaaaaaayyyy low on that guess. Consider this forum is one of the hotbeds of CRT activity -- and how many new CRTers do we get in here every month?

Vs. think how many *thousands* of digital projectors are sold every month? Not to mention all the people buying big flat-screens!

CRTs are a microscopic niche market, and it's getting smaller every day.


Better to assume less than more Wink

and yes, I can only imagine how many people go WOW when they go to best buy and see a projector. They are buying it because of one thing. It displays a HUGE picture, thats all.

I don't know many people who actually care about video quality that will buy a projector from best buy, I sure as hell wouldn't.
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benareeno



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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:07 pm    Post subject:

hey look...I think they're not worth squat. So what? Feel free to go out and buy one for top dollar. What is your argument? They're worth a lot?

They are big, and they are loud....I can't imagine an argument there.

They also throw an excellent image....
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:19 pm    Post subject:

benareeno wrote:
hey look...I think they're not worth squat. So what? Feel free to go out and buy one for top dollar. What is your argument? They're worth a lot?

They are big, and they are loud....I can't imagine an argument there.

They also throw an excellent image....


They are loud, some not more than a digital, some sound like a furnace blower...

I actually like the size of these mammoths, makes me feel like I have a real projector. And honestly, the size has made some of the people I have showed mine off to think that they are theater grade items.

After they see the image it throws, the size isn't so important to some Smile
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