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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006
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Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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Who cares whats actually best? why does something that someone has to be better or worse? if they bought it, and like it, GOOD FOR THEM!! I think if it makes you happy then who the hell cares what you have? I dont have money for a G90 with nice tubes or a nice $15,000 runco LED digital, Honestly all I have right now is a half broke down 17 year old 9PG and a cheap ass $550 sony 720p digital thing,
and you know what?
I like the picture on both! SHOCKING I know, how some of you couldn't even bring yourself to watch something so low quality as the sony, or even want to use a 9PG with mid grade tubes...
well its not for you to watch, its for me, and like others, im sure they feel the same way, if we could all afford nice expensive machines im sure most of us would go ahead and buy them...
for now all I can do is enjoy what I have and work on getting something better in the future.
SO... IF YOU LOVE YOUR PROJECTOR REGARDLESS OF ITS FORMAT then GOOD for you! You get the true meaning of a Home Theater 
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km987654
Joined: 25 Jul 2007
Posts: 2874
Location: Australia
TV/Projector: Barco BG809s
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| Jeremy112 wrote: | Who cares whats actually best? why does something that someone has to be better or worse? if they bought it, and like it, GOOD FOR THEM!! I think if it makes you happy then who the hell cares what you have? I dont have money for a G90 with nice tubes or a nice $15,000 runco LED digital, Honestly all I have right now is a half broke down 17 year old 9PG and a cheap ass $550 sony 720p digital thing,
and you know what?
I like the picture on both! SHOCKING I know, how some of you couldn't even bring yourself to watch something so low quality as the sony, or even want to use a 9PG with mid grade tubes...
well its not for you to watch, its for me, and like others, im sure they feel the same way, if we could all afford nice expensive machines im sure most of us would go ahead and buy them...
for now all I can do is enjoy what I have and work on getting something better in the future.
SO... IF YOU LOVE YOUR PROJECTOR REGARDLESS OF ITS FORMAT then GOOD for you! You get the true meaning of a Home Theater |
Well said 
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006
Posts: 2649
Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| km987654 wrote: | | Jeremy112 wrote: | Who cares whats actually best? why does something that someone has to be better or worse? if they bought it, and like it, GOOD FOR THEM!! I think if it makes you happy then who the hell cares what you have? I dont have money for a G90 with nice tubes or a nice $15,000 runco LED digital, Honestly all I have right now is a half broke down 17 year old 9PG and a cheap ass $550 sony 720p digital thing,
and you know what?
I like the picture on both! SHOCKING I know, how some of you couldn't even bring yourself to watch something so low quality as the sony, or even want to use a 9PG with mid grade tubes...
well its not for you to watch, its for me, and like others, im sure they feel the same way, if we could all afford nice expensive machines im sure most of us would go ahead and buy them...
for now all I can do is enjoy what I have and work on getting something better in the future.
SO... IF YOU LOVE YOUR PROJECTOR REGARDLESS OF ITS FORMAT then GOOD for you! You get the true meaning of a Home Theater |
Well said |
Thank you 
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benareeno
Joined: 22 Mar 2006
Posts: 1614
Location: ottawa, canada
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Jeremy,
with all due repsect, there is nothing wrong with a discussion...arguing and opinion slinging are part of a forum. I think it's all for the best...we can't cap off every thread by singing "let it be" from the beatles...
letting 2 people with differing opinions argue is fine with me...I love an arguement, because somewhere inside it lies the truth....I like to try and find the truth.
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yonexsp
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 311
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| benareeno wrote: | Jeremy,
with all due repsect, there is nothing wrong with a discussion...arguing and opinion slinging are part of a forum. I think it's all for the best...we can't cap off every thread by singing "let it be" from the beatles...
letting 2 people with differing opinions argue is fine with me...I love an arguement, because somewhere inside it lies the truth....I like to try and find the truth. |
p.s How is the XG?
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WanMan
Joined: 19 Mar 2006
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I still wish I could afford a nice 9" CRT. Just not going to happen unless I knock out the wife and sell one of her lungs/kidneys. 
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virusc
Joined: 11 Apr 2007
Posts: 358
Location: Massachusetts
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How much is a G90 going to be with clean tubes a year from now then? 1209s/9500
xglc can be had for $1000 now I believe.
How much longer will the simulator market be out there for CRT?
I'm hoping the tube prices come way down when the simulator demand diminishes.
Lugs for $300 would make it worth it to me but as of now, no way I would invest nearly 4k for new tubes.
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benareeno
Joined: 22 Mar 2006
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Location: ottawa, canada
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xglc can be had a lot less than 1k. If you paid 1k for an XGLC today, you are not a good shopper...
Ken, so far so good...I love the image! Now, if I can get it on the ceiling and hush it...I will have finally completed a project that I've been attempting for years!
Do you still use your htpc with the digital?
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ecrabb
Forum Moderator
Joined: 13 Mar 2006
Posts: 15909
Location: Utah
TV/Projector: JVC RS40, Epson 5010
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| benareeno wrote: | | letting 2 people with differing opinions argue is fine with me...I love an arguement, because somewhere inside it lies the truth....I like to try and find the truth. |
I'd say more than the truth lying inside the argument, it's really our priorities and preferences. One guy loves perfect blacks and doesn't mind crushing shadow detail a bit to get it, another guy likes nice shadow detail and doesn't mind elevated blacks to get it. One guy likes an easily repairable chassis and doesn't mind a huge, noisy projector to get it, while another guy likes a small, quiet projector and doesn't mind sacrificing easy repairability to get it. One guy wants a <$1000 projector with little-to-no ongoing maintenance costs likely in 3-5 years, while another is happy to spend $300 on a bulb every year or two or switch projectors outright every few years.
Ben's point is still valid and important in my opinion, though. To some, it may seem like a pissing match on the surface, but there is a lot if good information exchanged in these arguments if you're willing to read between the lines and try to understand what people are really after when they choose a certain kind of projector. So I say, "game on!"
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Curt Palme
CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
Posts: 24396
Location: Langley, BC
TV/Projector: All of them!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| benareeno wrote: | xglc can be had a lot less than 1k. If you paid 1k for an XGLC today, you are not a good shopper...
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Statements like that are pretty ludicrous, as there's no frame of reference as to chassis or tube condition.
Sure, I can get a worn out XGLC on eBay, probably for $200. With it needing 1500 worth of tubes and shipping and labor to install, never mind a bunch of mods that the set will probably need, that's no bargain. A full retubed modded and tested XGLC at $2500 would be a better deal for a non techy end user that can calibrate and tweak, but not troubleshoot.
Finding a 500 hour XGLC for under $1K from a 1 owner set that never used it.. now that's the trick! It will still need some mods though most likely.
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benareeno
Joined: 22 Mar 2006
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Location: ottawa, canada
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I just got one for 500 bucks...tubes are perfect except for slight wide wear on green. Throws a great image.
I had a G70 for sale with great tubes...nobody wanted it...I would have sold it for 500 too, if anyone was buying....but they're not buying.
Paying 2500 for an XG, no matter what condition...would be ridiculous at this point. a 2k digital has a lot more to offer than a 2500 crt.
If I wasn't such a cheapskate, it would be easy to go the digital route...for many reasons, including picture quality.
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benareeno
Joined: 22 Mar 2006
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Location: ottawa, canada
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and that was 500 with dvi/component card...and mount.
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stefuel
Joined: 07 Mar 2006
Posts: 3353
Location: Green Harbor MA USA
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Let me be the bad guy here.
THERE AIN'T A FRIGGING CRT PROJECTOR ON THE PLANET THAT'S WORTH $2,500.00.
If you pay any more than that for a CRT projector, you must be from another frigging planet. 
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yonexsp
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 311
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| benareeno wrote: | | and that was 500 with dvi/component card...and mount. |
Glad you like it. Do you want the 1080i@96hz settings? Or did you change everything anyway?
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lexx21
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Posts: 119
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I think the point that some of you are missing here is "what is the projector worth to you in your environment" and not really a debate over analog/digital.
Take for instance the owner who actually likes to tweak and play with the setup. Someone who likes to have pretty much complete control over the video path from start to finish. That kind of person would benefit from a crt projector and he/she would be willing to pay for the product.
If all you are looking to do is to hang a unit from the ceiling and not futz with it again, then go digital and don't look back. You will likely be happy paying out 200-300 bucks (or more) for a bulb. If you have really deep pockets, then get a led based lcd projector. For most of us mere mortals it would be completely out of range.
At the blendzilla meet last October I had the chance to see why a 9500 is top of the line. I was completely impressed by the setup. I have checked out various high end A/V stores in my area and have critically viewed their lcd/dlt/d-ila offerings. I still could not justify replacing my 7" crt (dwin 700) with a Runco or JVC. The difference just wasn't that great to me. Would I love to have a 9" crt unit? HECK YEAH! Can I afford one? HECK NO! I am sort of in the same boat as WanMan on this one and have to be happy with what I have at the moment, but I can see the value in having a crt projector for someone like myself.
The digital video world in this decade has taken the place of the high(er) end audio world back in the 80's. Specs are very speculative, prices are high, hype is oh so plentiful. You have two different camps. digital vs crt, just like you had back in the stereo days of tube vs solid state.
Unless something completely radical happens then digital will eventually win, but in the meantime I will keep rocking my crt projector and enjoying the tweaking.
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km987654
Joined: 25 Jul 2007
Posts: 2874
Location: Australia
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| benareeno wrote: | I just got one for 500 bucks...tubes are perfect except for slight wide wear on green. Throws a great image.
I had a G70 for sale with great tubes...nobody wanted it...I would have sold it for 500 too, if anyone was buying....but they're not buying.
Paying 2500 for an XG, no matter what condition...would be ridiculous at this point. a 2k digital has a lot more to offer than a 2500 crt.
If I wasn't such a cheapskate, it would be easy to go the digital route...for many reasons, including picture quality. |
Perhaps an idea would be to quietly go to digital and leave the rest of us to CRT. That can be said for other forum members who constantly want to rubbish CRT and its value I don't understand why you bother and why you run these threads. Technology comparisons are a waste of time between CRT and digital projectors as they are completely different technologies and speaking from 29 years in technology NO digital technology is worth the asking price the day after its purchased as there is always a better one coming off the production line and this is more true for digital technology than it ever was for CRT. The only value technology has is what ever it contributes to your life or business and thats the only perspective on value that means anything and thats a case by case basis. Go and get a digital if that rocks your life and stay with CRT if thats for you but forget the types of comparisons we see here.
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JOneil
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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How about this.
If you dont care about the environment and have no concept of money then by all means go digital. The landfills are piling up everyday with more and more broken digitals. 
And faster then any analog devices ever did, easily by 100s to 1.
Wasn't Mr. Rootbeer an environment junkie?
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benareeno
Joined: 22 Mar 2006
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Location: ottawa, canada
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I just parted out a G70...and the landfill will be taking it. The carcass is about the size of 6 or 7 digital projectors...
I love crt and love the image, but let's be honest here...it's on its last legs at best. 2500 for an XGLC? I want to meet the moron who would pay that...
I prefer 720p...to 1080...I think.
Ken, if I get an HTPC, I'll hit you up for the timings..for now, it's PS3 right into the XG. Not bad at all
Why do people get so emotional as to ask me to leave...I mean, you're australian, I thought aussie's were tough. I definitely love the crt image, and the cheap price...but the size and loudness are always a huge drawback. It's almost comical how big they are... I made my comments about price..and I think they're more than valid.
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garyfritz
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| benareeno wrote: | | I had a G70 for sale with great tubes...nobody wanted it...I would have sold it for 500 too, if anyone was buying....but they're not buying. |
I'd have been all over a clean G70 for $500. Too bad it would have cost another $500 to ship it here. 
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km987654
Joined: 25 Jul 2007
Posts: 2874
Location: Australia
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| benareeno wrote: | I just parted out a G70...and the landfill will be taking it. The carcass is about the size of 6 or 7 digital projectors...
I love crt and love the image, but let's be honest here...it's on its last legs at best. 2500 for an XGLC? I want to meet the moron who would pay that...
I prefer 720p...to 1080...I think.
Ken, if I get an HTPC, I'll hit you up for the timings..for now, it's PS3 right into the XG. Not bad at all
Why do people get so emotional as to ask me to leave...I mean, you're australian, I thought aussie's were tough. I definitely love the crt image, and the cheap price...but the size and loudness are always a huge drawback. It's almost comical how big they are... I made my comments about price..and I think they're more than valid. |
Its neither a case for being tough or any emotion. Its a case of why!! it seems to me that people with these sentiments are doing their level best to discourage CRT users by insinuating or even directly saying you would have to be nuts to spend $x on any CRT. Why is anyone bothered trying to discourage people from buying CRT or is it that they are looking for some sort of reinforcement of their own decision to buy digital over CRT. If you people are so happy with your digitals thats great but you have a digital thread in this forum please go there. I must check though and see if any CRT people are running threads discouraging people from buying digitals in the digital thread, there might be.
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