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virusc
Joined: 11 Apr 2007
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Location: Massachusetts
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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I think I will have at least one CRT projector for special older video formats and video games always until a <5k laser raster scanning multi-non fixed pixel projector is available but this is at least 5-10 years away at best. What is the status on this? Why are they so fixated on panels with lamps?
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Spanky Ham
Joined: 22 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Deron,
I don't think the vacuum tube analogy is entirely accurate. While there will still be a niche market for crts, it will be a much smaller percentage than the tube market. I am not starting a fight, but the fact is the audio market is much easier to fool people.
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006
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Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | Deron,
I don't think the vacuum tube analogy is entirely accurate. While there will still be a niche market for crts, it will be a much smaller percentage than the tube market. I am not starting a fight, but the fact is the audio market is much easier to fool people. |
Yes it is, how many times I see someone go  when they see:
2500 WATTS OF POWER
and then further below in veeeery small leters:
Note: Power rating is a maximum power rating
It still gets plenty of people to go :O I just bought a bad ass system!
 Poor souls
Those are the people that, when mentioned think Mcntosh is just a computer ....
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deronmoped
Joined: 03 Nov 2006
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Location: San Diego
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:26 am Post subject: |
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You guys that think CRT will die and that will be it have to look around more often.
Tubes were dead, now they are back. Amps, tuners, Preamps, guitar amps...
Records were dead, now they are back, even in some mega dollar systems.
I have a half dozen tube radios in my house, use them all the time.
People like to collect things, when they become collectible. Cars, bikes, motorcycles, toys, plates... What makes you think people will not collect CRTs. Heck, people collect old film projectors and film. Talk about something that really should have died.
What type PJ technology applies exclusively to the hobbiest?
What type of PJ technology applies exclusively to a electronics person.
Really high end audio is what I believe is just a lot of people with more money then brains. All that needs to be done is convince these people to part with some of those millions for CRT PJ's and then you would have a explosion of new CRT's out there. All that is needed is a good salesman and that CRT would be a good addition to system that has quarter of a million dollar speakers in it.
Deron.
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WanMan
Joined: 19 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Jeremy112 wrote: | Bah CRT will only truly die when you cannot find one online. Until that day, CRT has a LONG and prosperous life!  |
I do not think that will happen. I think I'll die before I can afford a nice 9" CRT.
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benleeys
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:18 am Post subject: Sony G90 CRT |
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Hi Guys,
I have been approached by a dealer to make an offer for a brand new G90, apparently the last one left in his warehouse. He was asking for $18k on his website, but I offered him $12k sometime ago. He declined and I simply let him stew. Now he's back with this request. By the way, he's a genuine guy with whom I've dealt with previously. He mentioned that he also has another used unit (about 400 hrs).
What do you guys think is a reasonable price to offer?
Ben
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Mark_A_W
Joined: 15 Mar 2006
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Location: Sunny Melbourne Australia
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:47 am Post subject: |
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$3k.
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jantje112
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: Sony G90 CRT |
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| benleeys wrote: | Hi Guys,
I have been approached by a dealer to make an offer for a brand new G90, apparently the last one left in his warehouse. He was asking for $18k on his website, but I offered him $12k sometime ago. He declined and I simply let him stew. Now he's back with this request. By the way, he's a genuine guy with whom I've dealt with previously. He mentioned that he also has another used unit (about 400 hrs).
What do you guys think is a reasonable price to offer?
Ben |
If you plan to use it yourself you should consider more then a few bucks. But they pop up on ebay and go for 500 to 1000 dollar.
So probably the value is somewhere between 2 a 3k and of course 400 hours on a g90 is new also 
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benleeys
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:52 am Post subject: Re: Sony G90 CRT |
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for your response. Wow, $3k for an brand new G90! 1/10th of the original price. Of course, there's always the question of whether the electronics still function after all this while in the warehouse. I'll try making an offer and hope the guy don't suffer a heart attack, considering his asking price is $18k on his website. Then ship it to Curt for a checkout and calibrate (I'm overseas).
Thanks again.
Ben
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huggy
Joined: 02 Aug 2008
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Location: Melbourne,Australia
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:01 am Post subject: Re: Sony G90 CRT |
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| benleeys wrote: | Hi Guys,
Thanks for your response. Wow, $3k for an brand new G90! 1/10th of the original price. Of course, there's always the question of whether the electronics still function after all this while in the warehouse. I'll try making an offer and hope the guy don't suffer a heart attack, considering his asking price is $18k on his website. Then ship it to Curt for a checkout and calibrate (I'm overseas).
Thanks again.
Ben |
No offence to Curt however,there's no way in hell I'll let anyone else but myself get the first whiff of a brand new,freshly unpacked G90
Dave
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Person99
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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Location: Flower Mound, TX
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| yonexsp wrote: | | Mark_A_W wrote: | Cine 9 is worth about $3k tops.
XG LG/G70 maybe $1k, if you can find a sucker.
And it's all downhill from there.
Have you seen what a $3k digital can do these days? |
I have, and I bought one. Not even a fair fight these days I'm afraid. I'd love to see a cine9 to compare, but the prices for those are stupid |
You are in a VERY small minority and I can only guess you have not truly watch some properly callibrated ones with an open mind.
We've all said for years and years that is day was coming--we were talking about it 6 and 7 years ago. Guess what, the day came.
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benleeys
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: Sony G90 CRT |
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| huggy wrote: |
No offence to Curt however,there's no way in hell I'll let anyone else but myself get the first whiff of a brand new,freshly unpacked G90
Dave |
You're right, Dave. I bet I'm even more obsessed than you regarding all new equipment acquisitions. Unfortunately, in this particular case, I don't have much choice. The set has probably been sitting in the warehouse for a decade and god knows what its condition is like. If I were to have it shipped directly to me half way round the world and find that it is not working properly, then I'd be in a fix because I do not have any confidence the local Sony guys can rectify the problem. This is from a previous similar experience. I wouldn't go into details here but suffice it to say, absurd as it is, they didn't even have the equipment to do a proper grey scale calibration. And with a piece of this calibre, I do want it calibarated properly too.
I know I'm taking a risk bringing in a piece of equipment whithout service personnel near at hand, but I figure in this instance it's worth a gamble.
Ben
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Person99
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| mp20748 wrote: | | Mark_A_W wrote: | Cine 9 is worth about $3k tops.
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How did you arrive at this price?
Cine 9, which supposed to have a RED C element, should be in a price range somewhere between $6000.00 to $7000.00
A Barco 909 that does not have the RED C element should go for $6000 or more.
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I think Mark's prices are quite correct. It is really an analysis of what the market will bear. I know from personal experience that most people watching a tweaked 9" and a current $4000 PJ will pick the current PJ as the better picture--the one they like (right or wrong, they pick it).
Further, when you go up to $6000 PJ, they handily beat a Cine 9 on almost every image quality parameter, so why would someone pay the same amount for the increased hassles?
Most of us did CRTs 6 years ago because what we got for dealing with the hassles was a comparable to better picture for 1/3-1/2 the price of a new digital (think used G70 compared to $12,000 720p DLP from 6 years ago).
Or consider that Sony's first 1080p PJ (Qualia 004) at $25K--at that time a Cine 9 was about $15K used.
Well, a current digi priced at $6K are BETTER than the Qualia, so why would the metric not be similar or hurt the CRT a bit (since the digi quality has gone up). If you use this logic, then the Cine 9 price is pretty much where Mark put it.
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Spanky Ham
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I agree with you to a certain extent, but not fully. CRTs still handle motion resolution and on/off cr better than digitals. JVC is probably more than adequate for the vast majority regarding on/off, but that is still the lone ranger. VDC's Led is the only digital that I have seen that does a good job with motion resolution. Hopefully, a good bright LED dlp will come out in the next two to three years with good on/off and motion resolution at a cheap price.
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