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Jeremy112



Joined: 28 Sep 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:00 am    Post subject: Turn Projector screen into Touchscreen?

Can this be done? I have read about it here and there, some I beleive used the Wii bar that goes on top of your TV to see you to do it, but is there any other way this can be done?
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greg_mitch



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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:48 am    Post subject:

Start working for Microsoft and developing Windows 8...they have some neat stuff in the pipeline for sure.

Imagine Kinect for Windows....or think Minority Report!
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ecrabb
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:29 am    Post subject:

Oooohhh, facial recognition.... In 2012.... Too bad you'll probably need the Ultimate Doofus Edition for $299 to get the facial recognition. Windows fanboy much, Greg? Wait, what does this have to do with the OP's post? Oh, that's right... Nothing!!!

Jeremy... You're probably talking about Johnny Lee's project... If I were going to take a crack at DIY, I'd start there!

http://johnnylee.net/projects/wii

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greg_mitch



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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:02 am    Post subject:

ecrabb wrote:
Oooohhh, facial recognition.... In 2012.... Too bad you'll probably need the Ultimate Doofus Edition for $299 to get the facial recognition. Windows fanboy much, Greg? Wait, what does this have to do with the OP's post? Oh, that's right... Nothing!!!

Jeremy... You're probably talking about Johnny Lee's project... If I were going to take a crack at DIY, I'd start there!

http://johnnylee.net/projects/wii

SC


Take a chill pill dude. Try not to let it spew out into all of your posts.

MSFT IS working on gesture based inputs that do not require painting your finger tips...of course it won't be out for awhile...which is why I said you should join MSFT if you want to be able to use it.

Sorry forum master...I guess humor isn't allowed.


Check this out if you are interested in a potential future of human/computer interface.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/29/microsoft-hints-at-touchless-surface-combining-camera-and-transp/
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ecrabb
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:14 am    Post subject:

You take a chill pill. I'm not the one starting a thread just to bash. Besides, if you wanna bash Apple at every turn, then I'll do the same with Microsoft... Not that it's very hard.

I don't know what the future of HCI holds, but I can tell you it won't be Apple, and it definitely won't be Microsoft. That company is like a sailboat missing a rudder and centerboard. Would they be doing ANYTHING cool if it weren't for Johnny Lee going to work for them? They sure scored with that hire.

Oh, and I'd watch the videos, but I don't feel like installing more Microsoft software on my box just to watch a damn video.

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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:36 am    Post subject:

Wrong button Laughing

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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:37 am    Post subject:

I must say Crabb man, i think youre a top bloke, i quite like you, but it seems quite apparent that there is one thing at least that we will never agree on, and that is well built PCs DO smoke Macintosh like a cheap cigar. No question about that. I know it first hand. I wont go into detail cause ill be here all night, and you really dont want to hear about it anyway, i can and will respect that.

Back to the task at hand, check out the Epson website, have a look at their range of projectors, there may be something there you will be supprised to see. If you cant find what im talking about, ill dig it up for you later on, but you should be able to find it Wink
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stefuel



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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:12 am    Post subject:

You won't be using my projection screen as a touch screen. My house rules,
YOU TOUCH-A MY SCREEN, I BREAK-A YOU FINGERS... Laughing

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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:33 am    Post subject:

That is a good rule too mate and ill be adopting that myself Wink
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Jeremy112



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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:25 am    Post subject:

Guys, guys...
Lets get along here Smile

As for touching of the screen, I wouldn't be using a regular type screen for it. It would probably be some form of white plastic.


And no MS vs. Apple... I could go on forever with that debate (No apple is allowed to ever enter this premesis)

I should try that wiimote and see how that works Cool


Resume windows/apple hate talk......

now Smile
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TheVerge



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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:01 pm    Post subject:

Windows 8...


I can be done right now with a smart board, we had them in all the rooms in college. I think i had maybe 1 professor use it in >4 years.
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perisoft



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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:00 pm    Post subject:

I passed up some gar-freaking-gantuan rear projection whiteboard computer thing I spotted on CL (posted about it here when I thought there might be a big CRT PJ inside). It would have been great for my son to play with, but it had a digital in it, and without the ability to run it a ton of hours without worrying about bulb life, it wasn't worth the effort to retrieve.

I'd love to set something like that up with another PJ and flat wall, though, for my son to draw with if nothing else. Some cheesy VB code and a good web cam would probably result in some pretty fun finger painting antics!

(Oh, and also.. Mac vs. PC war? Seriously, guys, are we 12, or something? Mad)

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Curt Palme
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:12 pm    Post subject:

I knew I had something to add to this thread, and it just hit me. At CES 2009 I saw exactly what you want to do. No idea who it was, but I think this is how it worked:

It was two strips that shot infrared beams across a projection screen, one on the X and Y axis. You could place your hand/finger on the screen and the sensors picked up the X-Y coordinates. The beams were invisible, and the company had a smallish screen (60" diagonal?) showing a video game. REaction time was good, and it worked well.

I know it was on the first floor and I think in the HT area, if you want to look up a site map if it's posted somewhere.
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garyfritz



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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:36 pm    Post subject:

Interesting. Crossed infrared LED beams was *exactly* the technology used in the first touch-screens I ever used.

That was on PLATO terminals. Thirty-five freakin' years ago. The more things change...
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ecrabb
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:20 pm    Post subject:

CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
I must say Crabb man, i think youre a top bloke, i quite like you, but it seems quite apparent that there is one thing at least that we will never agree on, and that is well built PCs DO smoke Macintosh like a cheap cigar. No question about that. I know it first hand. I wont go into detail cause ill be here all night, and you really dont want to hear about it anyway, i can and will respect that.

Well, Case... I like you, too... But, with all due respect, your opinion is just that - your opinion. There are certainly some things you can do easier or cheaper with a Windows box, and there ARE some things you can do MUCH easier or even better with a Mac... But, to say that a PC smokes a Mac is just bull**** hyperbole. So, feel free to drop into one of the Apple/Mac threads and fire away. In short, "bring it." Wink

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donnad



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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:30 am    Post subject:

There's a product called smart board which is a touch screen and white board in one.
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greg_mitch



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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:15 am    Post subject:

perisoft wrote:
(Oh, and also.. Mac vs. PC war? Seriously, guys, are we 12, or something? Mad)


SC started it! Twisted Evil
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CasetheCorvetteman



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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:28 am    Post subject:

ecrabb wrote:

Well, Case... I like you, too... But, with all due respect, your opinion is just that - your opinion. There are certainly some things you can do easier or cheaper with a Windows box, and there ARE some things you can do MUCH easier or even better with a Mac... But, to say that a PC smokes a Mac is just bull**** hyperbole. So, feel free to drop into one of the Apple/Mac threads and fire away. In short, "bring it." Wink

SC

No mate, im not going to bore you with it, youve heard it all before, and youre exactly right about it all being opinions. Some like one, some like the other. I usually find the ones that like Appauls are the ones that had bad experiences with Windows based PCs, either due to someone not knowing what they are doing when they built or set it up, or the user was at fault. That is just an observation of mine based on my experience, its certainly not to say it is the case in every situation!!
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garyfritz



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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:26 pm    Post subject:

Count me as someone who is a computer professional, who has been using PCs exclusively for the last 20+ years (mostly Unix before that), who has done literally hundreds of installs of NT, W2003, W2008, XP, Vista, and Win7 -- and who would much rather be using Macs.

Microsoft software has always been appallingly bad. They keep getting better but they're still way behind Apple in terms of usability and other aspects. I'm very certain Windows would be way clunkier if they didn't have the Macintosh shaming them to do better.

PC hardware can be had cheaply. Other than that I believe Macs beat Windows hands down. But my work requires Windoze so that's what I use.
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jarseneau



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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:45 pm    Post subject:

Jeremy, I'm curious about what you are essentially seeking? It sounds like you would like an alternative method to a using a mouse to interact with the screen software that's a better fit considering the use of a projection screen. Do you actually want to be next to the screen while moving the mouse pointer and making selections or is the goal to have a way to do the mouse functions from a theater seated position without the need to fumble with a mouse in a theater chair?

There are a couple of simple alternatives if you mainly want to move the pointer and click selections with something more convenient/reliable than a mouse. The solution I've had the best satisfaction with is a wireless keyboard with built-in joystick (or touchpad) in place of the mouse. The keyboard that has worked the best for me is made for the PS3 but since it's Bluetooth, it works for a PC as well and is called the PS3 wireless mediaboard from Logitech. The range from the PC is better than most wireless keyboards (3-10 meters as opposed to most wireless being restricted to 3ft). The touchpad is a great mouse replacement with fast and accurate response, scroll control along one edge to do mousewheel functions, and right/left click buttons.

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