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perisoft
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:04 am Post subject: Yet another mode of failure for MKV rips! |
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I've been using EAC3to lately... it seems to work better than before - problems such as
-no audio
-wrong language audio
-all languages playing at once
-player crashing for no reason
-horrible skipping
...etc, have been reduced. Not eliminated, mind you.
Anyway, I finally got to watching the copy of Up I ripped on Christmas when I got it... and this time, most of the text in the movie (eg, the title logo, text on books, handwriting on letters) was IN FREAKING FRENCH. The audio was correct; a bunch of the text was English, but most was in French.
Turns out it somehow ripped the 'Quebec' version. God knows how you're supposed to tell when doing the rip.
I'm about ready to give the f*ck up... 
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Mark_A_W
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:22 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I got Russian for UP.
You can't tell.
But 99% of the time it's not an issue.
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greg_mitch
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:52 am Post subject: |
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So what does this have to do with MKV's? You ripped a wrong version of the movie and it is the softwares fault?
Garbage in = garbage out
If you were just venting, then I know what you mean.
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perisoft
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:57 am Post subject: |
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| greg_mitch wrote: | So what does this have to do with MKV's? You ripped a wrong version of the movie and it is the softwares fault?
Garbage in = garbage out
If you were just venting, then I know what you mean. |
I'm not blaming the container format, just the lack of any tool which will let me rip and watch a movie without it ending up in the wrong language / no audio / wrong text / people are shown as dogs and not people / whatever. Ripping is the only way I can watch bluray (no player which will handle the menus will do software decoding or use ac3filter) and, unlike Mark's apparent success rate, I'm lucky to get something watchable 30% of the time.
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greg_mitch
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| perisoft wrote: | | greg_mitch wrote: | So what does this have to do with MKV's? You ripped a wrong version of the movie and it is the softwares fault?
Garbage in = garbage out
If you were just venting, then I know what you mean. |
I'm not blaming the container format, just the lack of any tool which will let me rip and watch a movie without it ending up in the wrong language / no audio / wrong text / people are shown as dogs and not people / whatever. Ripping is the only way I can watch bluray (no player which will handle the menus will do software decoding or use ac3filter) and, unlike Mark's apparent success rate, I'm lucky to get something watchable 30% of the time. |
Where did you get the movie you ripped?
And you have tried Mike's tool?
Are you implying that you ripped a movie that would normally play in a STB BR player fine but when you ripped it, it changed all of the films languages to french?
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Mark_A_W
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Other than getting Russian for UP, Mike's tool is pretty reliable.
The only time it falls over is when there is a disc that is not 1080p 23.976fps (so 1080i 50hz or 60hz for instance).
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akajester
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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I use MakeMKV without issues. Once it examines the dvd or bluray I select what languages and subtitles I want and rip it. I typically strip out all the other languages, I just don't need them. Sorry, I've never used EAC3. So I'm only commenting on my experience with MakeMKV.
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MikeEby
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| perisoft wrote: |
I'm not blaming the container format, just the lack of any tool which will let me rip and watch a movie without it ending up in the wrong YAMMM / no audio / wrong text / people are shown as dogs and not people / whatever. Ripping is the only way I can watch bluray (no player which will handle the menus will do software decoding or use ac3filter) and, unlike Mark's apparent success rate, I'm lucky to get something watchable 30% of the time. |
That's weird...Are you using FLAC as your audio? It seems to very reliable. What OS are you using...32 or 64Bit, 32 is really easy to setup and get working right. The only software I have loaded on my HTPC for playback is Windows 7-32 bit, ATI drivers, MPC-HC, ReClock, Media Browser and the latest DX9 Update.
A lot of Disney movies use seamless branching so credits, text or object in a movie show in different language. Those are easy to identify most of the time if you use my GUI.
1) Select the playlist, a movie with seamless branching will have a playlist that look something like this. Note all of these screen shots are not from Toy Story 2 with the exception of the last.
2) Select a file in selected stream list. In a few seconds that clip will begin playing in the preview window.
3) Note the preview window. The battery in this example is show in a different language, this is a clue you have the wrong playlist selected. Select a different playlist then preview the file and see if the same object is in english.
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perisoft
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Mike,
No, not using flac. Passing through. The problem with that is that anything with lossless won't play in MPCHC, because it only sees the lossless - which it can't decode - and ignores the AC3, which it can. At least, as near as I can tell. But I can't find a way to only pick the AC3 track - result? Nothing with lossless plays in MPCHC....
As far as the preview goes - a) it just doesn't work, no matter what I do, following directions or not. And b) even if it worked, it defeats the purpose, because if I'm going to watch a movie I haven't seen, the last thing I want to do is preview it and look for text and listen for audio to confirm everything is right! Kinda ruins the whole thing... 
At this point, I'm thinking I'm going to have to do an inventory of apps that can read bluray natively, but will support true software rendering and ac3filter. I can't envision a solution to this without an app that understands what playlists are what - there's just no way to tell what you'll get without seeing it first, and seeing it first ruins the whole damned thing. 
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Mark_A_W
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 2:40 am Post subject: |
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Use FLAC perisoft.
It just makes life easier.
You get a lossless result (use madFLAC decoder). And you can pass the decoded PCM data through HDMI.
Mike, I haven't had much luck with the preview window. I'll try again in my new W7 build, but in my Vista build it didn't play anything.
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Mark_A_W
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 2:43 am Post subject: |
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Oh, and MPC-HC and Zoomplayer can both play a bluray....sometimes...if the phase of the moon is right.
They both just play the longest playlist.
But they can't do DTS-MA properly, there is no usable decoder.
TMT will play the bluray just fine, with a menu, but no Gamma (at least with my video card).
If you want it to just work, get a bluray player and a lumagen.
(Why do you need ac3filter so bad?)
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perisoft
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Mark_A_W wrote: | Oh, and MPC-HC and Zoomplayer can both play a bluray....sometimes...if the phase of the moon is right.
They both just play the longest playlist.
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I've tried with MPCHC, and it just plays all the files in the stream directory. Plus, picking the longest playlist leaves me back with my original problem...
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But they can't do DTS-MA properly, there is no usable decoder.
TMT will play the bluray just fine, with a menu, but no Gamma (at least with my video card).
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No software decode option? Fail...
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If you want it to just work, get a bluray player and a lumagen.
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No way to timeshift; expensive as hell; no way to drive my audio setup without even more expense.
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So I can do per-channel EQ and redirect the LFE channel to the fronts (which are huge cerwin vegas that generate as much low freq as most subwoofers).
You have to understand, I don't have the option of throwing five, ten thousand bucks at my room and calling it a day. You guys spend as much on your wall sconces as I've spent on my whole HT; I need to push the envelope to get things to work right and have a good result.
I'm about ready to give up on ac3filter though, if I can get a player that will let me use VideoEqualizer. Without that, it's completely worthless; there's no way in hell I can spend double my entire HT cost on a scaler so I can get 20% of the functionality of a 100kbyte freeware app...
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Mark_A_W
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You can to per-channel EQ with ACFilter?
Does it handle 8 channels yet?
And no, none of the non-commercial players will allow you do run VideoEqualiser. An none of the non-commercial players will play a bluray the way you want.
You have to convert to mkv. I really don't have that much trouble. Up was an exception, but it's been AGES since I had another issue.
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akajester
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Perisoft, ffdshow will play mkv's now too (audio and video). It allows the custom audio matrix and LFE options you mentioned (I believe). didn't have a need for ac3filter after making the switch.
EDIT: I don't believe it supports DTS-MA yet.
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Mark_A_W
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 2:23 am Post subject: |
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No, there is no free DTS-MA decoder. At best you get the DTS core.
This is due to DTS keeping their IP confidential.
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perisoft
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Mark_A_W wrote: | You can to per-channel EQ with ACFilter?
Does it handle 8 channels yet?
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No, only 6 AFAIK.
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And no, none of the non-commercial players will allow you do run VideoEqualiser. An none of the non-commercial players will play a bluray the way you want.
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You mean none of the commercial players will allow me to run VE? If they'll let me run in software mode VE should work, I'd think. I guess I could always downgrade to a video card which doesn't have any hardware acceleration...
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You have to convert to mkv. I really don't have that much trouble. Up was an exception, but it's been AGES since I had another issue. |
Maybe so, but for whatever reason I can't make it work reliably no matter what I do. I've tried every possible combination - three or four ways to rip, three different players, all possible options with each player... every combination fails somehow. It's absurd. I have no idea how you manage it; what's your workflow?
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Mark_A_W
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The problem with the commercial players, is they somehow use both the Overlay and EVR (something to do with protected video path).
The desktop gamma controls (which is what VE is really), just won't work.
Workflow:
- Put disc in drive, wait for anydvd to do it's tricks
- Open Mike's AnotherEAC3TO gui, press analyze on the BDMV Stream folder
- Set the output name and folder to the ultimate destination (no copying or moving afterwoods needed)
- Take a stab at whether 16:9 or 2.40:1 for the subtitle position (preview no workee).
- Add to Batch, then Run batch
There's really nothing to it.
99% of the time it works fine. Avatar was perfect, with the fancy Navi yellow subtitles and everything.
I don't understand what could possibly go wrong with most movies (dual version movies like UP excepted...that's a bit of luck, or play the m2ts and sort out what's what first).
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perisoft
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Mark_A_W wrote: | The problem with the commercial players, is they somehow use both the Overlay and EVR (something to do with protected video path).
The desktop gamma controls (which is what VE is really), just won't work.
Workflow:
- Put disc in drive, wait for anydvd to do it's tricks
- Open Mike's AnotherEAC3TO gui, press analyze on the BDMV Stream folder
- Set the output name and folder to the ultimate destination (no copying or moving afterwoods needed)
- Take a stab at whether 16:9 or 2.40:1 for the subtitle position (preview no workee).
- Add to Batch, then Run batch
There's really nothing to it.
99% of the time it works fine. Avatar was perfect, with the fancy Navi yellow subtitles and everything.
I don't understand what could possibly go wrong with most movies (dual version movies like UP excepted...that's a bit of luck, or play the m2ts and sort out what's what first). |
That's the thing - that's what I do. I get no audio in MPCHC. I get skipping. I get MPCHC crashing after the studio logo intros. I get horrible audio desync. I get multiple languages playing at once. Everything BUT working video. Star Trek was screwed up. Up was screwed up. X-Men Origins was screwed up. Iron Man was screwed up. Sin City was REALLY screwed up.
Half the stuff I have to play in VLC to make it work at all, and VLC somehow gets the timing messed up but reacts to it by pitchbending the audio in wacky, wobbly-record style to keep the sync.
It's just an absolute disaster, start to finish.
Oh, and the coup de grace is that even if MPCHC works, I have to reconfigure it every time I switch to DVD, because there's apparently no way to have two installed copies with their own setups, even with renamed EXEs or different versions. Gah.
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akajester
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Perisoft, what you really need to do is load up the troublesome mkv in mpchc, then pause it. Grab Graphstudio from here; http://blog.monogram.sk/janos/tools/monogram-graphstudio/
run graphstudio, go to file, connect to remote graph, open the only entry in the list and post a snapshot of what is happening. That should show you how the mkv is being split, what codec is rendering the audio and video, and anything else in between. It should show if anything else is going wrong.
Here's an example of what you'd see in windows xp; usually windows vista or 7 will use the evr renderer instead of vmr, etc. You should see exactly what codecs are being used. Perhaps it's not loading the ones you think are loading. 
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MikeEby
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Peri,
What OS...and is it 32bit or 64-bit? Also what version of Haali? Some version were dorked bad. In the GUI click on Tool>Eac3to Info. In a few seconds a Window will appear with information about all the software installed to make a rip. Paste the results in the window in this thread.
Also what Processor and Video Card?
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