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mperz
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:58 pm Post subject: What Set do you recomend 4500, 808s bad green burn or 1270 |
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Hello all I am trying to purchase my first set and currently have a few choices all with pros and cons.I've found 2 ECP-4500 that are sold only together,one with perfect tubes and the other with masks on blue and green the price for both is around 160US. The guy also has a 808s but the green has heavy burn 200US. Lastly there 's a1270 with light burns on the green that is nearly free. I've attached a few pics to give a better idea of the condition of the sets.
I know the barco is the better machine the but one of the 4500 has perfect tubes and the burn of the 808s looks pretty nasty.
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Ben851
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I voted for the 2x4500s for a couple reasons:
1) Being your first set, the Electrohomes are the most user friendly and easy to set up
2) They are completely modular, and you'll have a complete "parts" machine. If something goes wrong, it will be easy to troubleshoot and repair
3) Mint tubes go a LONG way. I am personally using an NEC 6pg right now over my NEC XG because the XG has a small wear pattern on the green tube. Even though the XG is by far a better set, the wear marks are extremely distracting for me.
Some people may say get the 808s and try and find a new tube but I would hold off and make sure you even like the hobby before you do that.
If the 1270 is free, I'd take it but it's the lesser of the 3 projectors I believe..
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Curt Palme
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That's bunch of good points. For the BG808s, I could supply you with a really good MEC green tube (used), the mounting frame for the new tube (can't use the existing one in the BG808s for MEC tubes), and modify your neck board to work with the MEC tube for about $350 CDN incl shipping. You'd need to make sure that the R and B tubes have good emission though so they aren't already 1/2 dead.
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secstate
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Ben851 wrote: | I voted for the 2x4500s for a couple reasons:
1) Being your first set, the Electrohomes are the most user friendly and easy to set up
2) They are completely modular, and you'll have a complete "parts" machine. If something goes wrong, it will be easy to troubleshoot and repair
3) Mint tubes go a LONG way. I am personally using an NEC 6pg right now over my NEC XG because the XG has a small wear pattern on the green tube. Even though the XG is by far a better set, the wear marks are extremely distracting for me.
Some people may say get the 808s and try and find a new tube but I would hold off and make sure you even like the hobby before you do that.
If the 1270 is free, I'd take it but it's the lesser of the 3 projectors I believe.. |
I'd say that point 1 and part of point 2 also apply to the Barco. I have set up a Marquee and many Barcos I don't find any difference in their ease. Barcos are every bit as, if not more modular that the Quee. That said point 3 is very hard to argue with tube wear drives me nuts and that Barco green is UGLY.
If the 1270 is free or nearly so I'd be strongly tempted by that and you can learn on that while you decide if CRTs are for you. If you absolutely knew you were into CRTs and were going to keep the set you buy now for a couple of years, I'd probably go with the ECPs as tube condition is everything but I am guessing you are going to get the upgrade itch pretty quickly (most of us do). All else being equal the Barco would be the best performer of the lot but that green is really bad and blue shows wear too. I am with Ben and I'd avoid that one for the moment. You would have the hassle and cost of finding and installing a green tube . By then you'd be up to the cost of buying one in good condition to begin with. You didn't say your location so I am assuming North America. Oh and that Baroc uses Sony tubes stock so you'd have a heck of a time finding a green though there is an untested one on Ebay right now. That said as Curt alludes too the Sony tubes used in Barcos have a tedency to loose emission (brightness) over time so there is a risk in purchasing one on fleabay.
So I guess that is a long winded way of saying that I'd go for the 1270 and save your cents (or other local currency) and keep looking for a good 8" EM focused set from NEC/Electorhome/Barco/Sony.
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Ben851
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Out of curiosity, can anyone confirm that it looks like that 808s came out of a flight simulator or something?
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secstate
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| Ben851 wrote: | | Out of curiosity, can anyone confirm that it looks like that 808s came out of a flight simulator or something? |
It sure looks like it to me. Other projectors I have seen out of simulators have that half the tube burned to toast effect as well.
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LOTREE
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I'm going to say the 4500's. They're a great starter projector, easy to fix if and tweak for hours plus you'd have a spare for parts if it came down to it. Swapping a tube would take about 10min aside from readjusting the picture. I'd recommend replacing the stock 12v fans as they get annoying fast with GELID Silent 8's.
Aesthetically they're bugly. I don't like the military/modular base as it makes the projector too high. The 808 wins hands down on that. Hit the 4500 with a nice coat of matte black and it gains some browning points:
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=959.jpg
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=961.jpg
Then of course an 808 case in black is pretty sleek:
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=962.jpg
I have a few 4500 screenshots in my album along with those above. I didn't get a chance to take any more after a bit more tweaking before I took it down but I'm eager to put it in the bedroom as the picture was looking great and I don't want it just sitting there taking up floor space. The 1200x isn't giving me much to do lately but Meedios was released again for Download, that's a project for tonite. 
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mperz
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Well thanks to every one who chimed in. Also thanks to Curt in this and another forum for offering a new green tube for the 808 , it would have definately been the best choice with the new tube . But saw the red a bit burnt as well and the other tube seemed to have mold. All issue that could have been resolved but, as most people (I imagine ) have a limited time for this new hobby and wanted the shortest time between purchase and getting started with a decent picture. Short version I went for the two 4500. I asked the guy and he confirmed that they come form flight simulators form the dutch government hence the burn pattern with a horizon ( though i thought the wear of a sky would be on the blue tube) .
Now on to a screen. I have seen people using an Ikea Tupplur blinds with blackout fabric as non-expensive solutions. So I might try that as a interim solution until i we move into our new house and set up room for our home theater. Any thoughts on that ?
By the way painting it black or dark gray looks pretty nice and maybe something i consider in the future.
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David_Web
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I use Tupplur and it's ok. I ended up using the backside as it was smoother but never tested the textured side.
The sides bend a bit and probably require some weights or to to get a bit flatter.
It's cheap and nice for the money I think.
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kal
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Elaine Benes
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The Barco is so much better than the others, even having to find a green tube, its just spectacularly better projector, you can't even compare the focus of it to the other two. Barco's are easy easy to set up too, and stable. Also, if you're a newbie, you'll enjoy the image, even with a burned tube, for quite a while before it bothers you enough to change it...
And, the Barco still has parts that are in demand, a little, so you could get something out of it if you had to part it out, the ECP's are worthless, in an absolute sense, as is the Sony, in its present condition...
The Sony tubes are a pain in the ass to find replacements for at a reasonable cost, but its possible to do with some patience....
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Mark_A_W
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" have a limited time for this new hobby and wanted the shortest time between purchase and getting started with a decent picture"
Should have bought a digital.
Someone here bought a $650 DLP and it's better in every way than an XG-LC, except for black level.
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ecrabb
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| Mark_A_W wrote: | | Someone here bought a $650 DLP and it's better in every way than an XG-LC, except for black level. |
I'd have to disagree with that statement. No $650 DLP I've seen would be better in anything BUT sharpness (at 720p) and ANSI contrast. The XG LC can run at other resolutions and refresh rates, has superior black level, better color, a more film-like picture, no pixels or SDE, no rainbows, and no dithering or mosquito noise. In short, I'd rather pay $500 for an XG LC than take a FREE 720p DLP (that's worth $650).
That said, if somebody says right out of the gate that they don't have much time for this hobby, a couple of CRT projectors are probably not the way to go.
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Mark_A_W
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Well, I can't speak for him, maybe he will pipe up.
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