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stefuel
Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 3353 Location: Green Harbor MA USA
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What's the difference between a Marquee HV splitter and a AmPro HV splitter? They both look generic.
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tse
Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 1014 Location: Sweatbucket, Fl.
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There can't be any big difference other than physical. Both do the same thing in systems that are almost identical. One may or may not have resistors or different value resistors. The resistors limit arc current without lowering performance, much.
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SweetChuck
Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Posts: 134 Location: Queensland Australia
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You know what else I think happens with the hv tips that go to the splitter. If you solder them on the solder is soft and cavitates giving a poor connection , so I soldered on some copper caps to the tips , So far so good, the case is on a I've clocked up 12 hours.
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CZ Eddie
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 1601 Location: Austin, TX
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SweetChuck
Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Posts: 134 Location: Queensland Australia
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Ok now I'm officially pissed off !! New HV cables New splitter and still arcing everywhere, it seems to be the most prevalent around the splitter connection for the blue tube , could I have a bad tube , as honestly I've run out of ideas . The pic below is holding the remote 1 inch away from the blue connector .
I did notice that the new HV leads i got from curt don't have the extra insulation around it , I even wrapped this up with spiral wrap and still no joy. This is the single most annoying problem I have ever encountered, spent 100's of hours and $$ and i'm no better off Any ideas ?? I'm out !!!
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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SweetChuck
Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Posts: 134 Location: Queensland Australia
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| Nashou66 wrote: | i wonder if its the HV main cable from the HVPS?
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I thought that, but it only seems to be the tube wires that hiss when you put something near them and the main one from the supply doesn't do that , at the moment its only the blue one near to the splitter.
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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SweetChuck
Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Posts: 134 Location: Queensland Australia
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| Nashou66 wrote: | when the blue HV cable is disconnected doe it hiss still?
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Haven't tried, would I have to bung that hole up ?? I did that on an NEC once and had to change my undies after the bang
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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draganm
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 8990 Location: Colorado
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| SweetChuck wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | when the blue HV cable is disconnected doe it hiss still?
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Haven't tried, would I have to bung that hole up ?? I did that on an NEC once and had to change my undies after the bang  | I've done this many times and never had anything arc out of the splitter with a tube disconnected. Of course your problem is wierd too, i've never had problems with the splitter or leaking at the splitter and i've had dozens and dozens here.
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Sparky015
Joined: 12 May 2009 Posts: 1185 Location: Cleveland / Akron, OH
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Did you ensure that you did not get any silicone or RTV on the anode lead under the boot? I made that mistake. You only need a bead around the outside edge of the boot and thats it. You let it ride up into the anode connection, and now your creating a path for the high voltage to follow.
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SweetChuck
Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Posts: 134 Location: Queensland Australia
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| Sparky015 wrote: | | Did you ensure that you did not get any silicone or RTV on the anode lead under the boot? I made that mistake. You only need a bead around the outside edge of the boot and thats it. You let it ride up into the anode connection, and now your creating a path for the high voltage to follow. |
I was very carefull with the boots when I re siliconed them, You would think though if there was a problem around the tube anode the arcing would come from there , but you can put a screwdriver near the anode cap and all the way down the lead and no arcing until you get a couple of inches away from the splitter then all hell breaks loose. I'm almost considering Siliconing up the blue splitter boot and be done with it , but if I do that , I'm sure it will just travel up the lead and escape from elsewhere , Its as if the electrons want nothing to do with the splitter and want to escape the hell outta there.
Also you can put that blue connector on any splitter port and it arcs
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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Mark_A_W
Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 3068 Location: Sunny Melbourne Australia
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Ricky
I've run both NECs and my Barco with the tubes disconnected from the splitter. Sometimes one tube, sometimes all.
Obviously you don't poke your fingers down there, but the collar on the splitter is long enough to stop an arc under normal circumstances (unless the humidity where you live makes a difference).
Got any old NEC tubes? Use those HV leads, I've never had a problem with a NEC lead, even old crappy ones.
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 24396 Location: Langley, BC
TV/Projector: All of them!
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Did you get the new HV leads from me? Once in a while I'll get a set in that's been exposed to long term moisture, and I change the HV splitter and HV leads. As others have said, you can run sets with an HV lead taken out of the splitter and it should not arc.
if a set has been exposed to short term moisture, you can usually clean the lead/insulation/connector with alcohol and a paper towel. Wipe everything down really well,and if the arcing stops, then you're fine.
I do remember chasing a leaky HV splitter for the first time for hours. AS with you, I changed all HV leads, and couldn't get rid of the sizzle until I changed the splitter. Since I'd never had that before, I thought the splitter was fine. I've had 4-5 bad splitters since.
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cmjohnson
Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 5180 Location: Buried under G90s
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I'm thinking about possible grounding problems. If, for example, you run the tubes with the bell grounds disconnected, you'll get some arcing and snapping as the bells build up a charge...and one hell of one, at that. The ground system has to be good or you'll get
discharge issues.
Maybe ground straps are missing or disconnected. Essentially, every piece of metal in the PJ needs to be grounded to the chassis,
and the chassis needs to be grounded via the power supplies. A power supply problem could actually be responsible for this issue,
as a result.
CJ
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SweetChuck
Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Posts: 134 Location: Queensland Australia
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Well I'm finally arc free ATM . In desperation I put a bead of silicone around the rubber and connectors to the splitter and left it for a week , and not a sizzle I know its not technically correct, it does not answer any questions and I may have some trouble if I need to disconnect it, but I just don't care , I'm on holidays and am going to sit in my cinema and watch the Lord of the Rings trilogy in one sitting.
Thanks for the help everyone
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dturco
Joined: 06 Feb 2009 Posts: 3778 Location: Eastern Shore Maryland
TV/Projector: Runco DLP VX-3000i Marquee 9500 parts doner
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Hey Curt,this is exactly what is happening to GOZER!!!
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Tim in Phoenix
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 4409 Location: Phoenix
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Hello
One of your Hobson connectors make be cracked and leaky.
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